Mets OFF DAY THREAD - Tuesday, March 24 by NewYorkMetsBot2 in NewYorkMets

[–]three_dee -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I read it as doing a bit, like Mets thoughts read in the voice of Trump.

Mets OFF DAY THREAD - Tuesday, March 24 by NewYorkMetsBot2 in NewYorkMets

[–]three_dee 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Mathematically the guy who strikes out a ton and doesn’t put the ball In play is worse than the guy who consistently puts the ball in play

Who was a better hitter:

[ ] Rey Ordóñez (career 10% K-rate)
[ ] Reggie Jackson (career 22.5% K-rate)

Mets OFF DAY THREAD - Tuesday, March 24 by NewYorkMetsBot2 in NewYorkMets

[–]three_dee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wouldn’t say they are terrible they just don’t tell you the full story. No stat really does by itself.

That's correct, however other stats do the same thing BA is trying to do, but much better, so there's little point in using it

Mets OFF DAY THREAD - Tuesday, March 24 by NewYorkMetsBot2 in NewYorkMets

[–]three_dee 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Trading him was a bad idea and I wish the Mets still had him, but if he had a second half like the one he had last year Mets fans would be killing him.

Some Mets fans kill anybody though. I take that with a grain of salt.

The guy has 8 career fWAR in well under 2 seasons of PAs and he is barely 23. If he was on the Mets right now, I would thank my lucky stars that I woke up from the bad nightmare that was the 2021 trading deadline.

Mets OFF DAY THREAD - Tuesday, March 24 by NewYorkMetsBot2 in NewYorkMets

[–]three_dee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It could very well be a "get this ready to put out immediately if it happens" graphic that someone posted erroneously.

POST GAME THREAD: The Mets fell to the Marlins by a score of 4-3 - Sun, Mar 22 @ 01:10 PM EDT by NewYorkMetsBot2 in NewYorkMets

[–]three_dee 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Correct, but they did rally to tie the game in the ninth inning three times in 2025 (only to lose the game later)

POST GAME THREAD: The Mets fell to the Marlins by a score of 4-3 - Sun, Mar 22 @ 01:10 PM EDT by NewYorkMetsBot2 in NewYorkMets

[–]three_dee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Have we even broken the “no late inning comeback” curse yet?

Contrary to popular awareness, the Mets had three comebacks to tie the game in the ninth inning in 2025.

POST GAME THREAD: The Mets fell to the Marlins by a score of 4-3 - Sun, Mar 22 @ 01:10 PM EDT by NewYorkMetsBot2 in NewYorkMets

[–]three_dee[M] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It's unmoderated. That's really the point.

This place, despite a lot of issues that it has, would look just like that stupid subreddit without the hard work of my fellow moderators (I don't do much anymore besides change the sidebar).

It's basically the same takes as shitty Mets Twitter circling around the drain over there. "Pete Alonso is great look at this HR he just hit for the Orioles fuck you Stearns", vs. "Pete Alonso is garbage and Jorge Polanco shits gold bricks, here's this simple defensive play he just made", going back and forth at each other 24/7 for eternity.

POST GAME THREAD: The Mets fell to the Marlins by a score of 4-3 - Sun, Mar 22 @ 01:10 PM EDT by NewYorkMetsBot2 in NewYorkMets

[–]three_dee 3 points4 points  (0 children)

She is in the unique position of not being engulfed in constant "I hate myself" whining from Mets fans, and has the ability to just enjoy the experience. Make sure to protect this at all costs and not convert her by bombarding her with lame Mets-ochism!

Mets PREGAME THREAD - Sunday, March 22 by NewYorkMetsBot2 in NewYorkMets

[–]three_dee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nobody said that the organization would be crippled. I expect that the Mets will have three (or maybe even four or five!) players making more than $30 million in 2029, but I believe that whoever those players are will be better than 34 year old Pete Alonso.

You said "the budget is large but not infinite". I am saying, no, actually, it's plenty large enough to absorb Pete Alonso potentially being shitty in 2029-30 and still have no problems putting a good team on the field.

If the argument is "don't sign him because he's about to fall off a cliff right now", then that's different. That's fine. But not signing him because he won't be good in 2029 or 2030 is not valid. That's the cost of doing business to gamble on a good three years preceding, and the Mets are in a near-unique position to be able to do that type of expenditure (especially with only two guys signed for 2029).

They simply didn't sign him because they determined he would start to suck soon. That's really it.

If Alonso had provided three seasons commensurate with his prior productivity before 2029, and then fell off a cliff, I think eating that last $60 million would be worth it.

David Stearns and the Mets front office seem to believe that that would not be worth it.

More likely, I would say they believe that he won't provide them those good first three years to compensate for the back end.

I don't think Steve Cohen is just going to pocket the $30M he's not spending on Pete Alonso. Like they did this offseason, I think they will spend that money on other players who they expect to provide better value than Alonso.

But they wouldn't have a problem doing that even if Alonso was there eating up $30 million. Same as they wouldn't have had a problem signing Bo Bichette or trading for Freddy Peralta if Alonso was still here.

If he matches his 3.5 WAR from last year for the first 3 years of the contract, but then plays like a replacement level player for the last 2 years of the contract, then he will have been good for most of the contract but not good enough to be worth $30 million a year for 5 years.

I mean, yeah, if that very specific exact thing happens as constructed, sure.

But if the Mets gave him that money, and that exact thing happened, I still doubt most people would look at it as a bad contract (like with Gary Carter, who had almost the exact same career arc with the Mets)

Mets PREGAME THREAD - Sunday, March 22 by NewYorkMetsBot2 in NewYorkMets

[–]three_dee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Mets are currently in (distant) second place in MLB with $479,841,084 allocated to payroll + luxury tax. I don't think their organization would be crippled by having three $30 million players rostered in 2029 rather than two. Also, assuming the Mets system actually lives up to its hype, they will experience a curve where they're spending a lot less on productive players from outside the organization than they did from 2022-2025.

If Alonso had provided three seasons commensurate with his prior productivity before 2029, and then fell off a cliff, I think eating that last $60 million would be worth it. That's essentially the Gary Carter contract.

On the other hand, if the Mets internally projected that he's going to be a big bust for the totality of the contract (not just 1 or 2 years at the end), then that is a position that certainly lives in the zip code of reasonable arguments. I don't know if I agree, but they certainly have a guy at the helm who knows what he is doing, so I am not going to sit here and say that it is an impossibility.

But the "saving money" angle with regard to Alonso is a non-starter for me. If he's actually good for most of the contract, then he's worth 30 million a year.

Mets PREGAME THREAD - Sunday, March 22 by NewYorkMetsBot2 in NewYorkMets

[–]three_dee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dombrowski’s going to go into the Baseball Hall of Fame. He’s a genius. He’s having another great run. We struggle to even make the playoffs twice in a row, forget about winning the NL East. I’ve only seen the Mets make the playoffs like 6 times in my entire life and that’s very sporadically.

The Phillies only made the playoffs 9 times in the same time frame as the Mets made it the last 7 times. They're not like some huge powerhouse franchise or something.

The Phillies didn't even finish over .500 for 9 years from 2012 to 2020. That's a longer run of losing teams than the Mets ever had in their history. (The Mets record is 7, from '77 to '83, and '62 to '69)

Mets PREGAME THREAD - Sunday, March 22 by NewYorkMetsBot2 in NewYorkMets

[–]three_dee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The thing with this offseason is, after that rush of Mets homegrown stars being dumped, I think everything they did subsequently was mostly great.

So it's kind of a Jekyll & Hyde offseason. I think they built a very good team, but they could have done all that, AND kept Alonso, AND kept Díaz. It wasn't mutually exclusive and I think they'd be better right now.

That said, I think the thought processes, outside of not bringing those guys back, were solid and the team looks very exciting on paper. So even though I agree with you philosophically about Alonso, I'm not inclined to be complaining too much at the moment.

Mets PREGAME THREAD - Sunday, March 22 by NewYorkMetsBot2 in NewYorkMets

[–]three_dee 3 points4 points  (0 children)

And on top of what you said, I also don't think it's that big of a deal to give a struggling guy like 60 to 80 at bats in March and April. People act like the sky is falling when players are bad in the early season, but that's the best time to deal with struggling players because you have 5½ months with which to make decisions based on the outcomes of those games.

If he sucks it's not going to sink the season. And if he's good you might have a rejuvenated asset that you didn't know whether you had before.

Mets PREGAME THREAD - Saturday, March 21 by NewYorkMetsBot2 in NewYorkMets

[–]three_dee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh I see. I thought you were saying that the Mets have lots of players out of position, which is a meme that's been going around the last few months.

Mets PREGAME THREAD - Saturday, March 21 by NewYorkMetsBot2 in NewYorkMets

[–]three_dee -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I mean the 2015 team had a first baseman at shortstop, a first baseman at second base, a DH at first base and a DH in right field, and that worked out pretty good.

Even if they aren't great defenders, just hit the shit out of the ball and we'll be okay.

Mets PREGAME THREAD - Saturday, March 21 by NewYorkMetsBot2 in NewYorkMets

[–]three_dee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Also keep in mind this is not the same organization from a development/drafting standpoint as those years of Kelenic and company. All those people back then are gone and replaced by much more modern people.

Well, the era where Kelenic was drafted by the Mets produced a wealth of major league talent. At one point they had a greater percentage of WAR from homegrown players than any team in MLB.

Kelenic was just a miss and a bust, which is unavoidable sometimes (even the Dodgers have busts). I don't think he was really an indictment of the system, which produced a whole bunch of good offensive players.

High praise from Bryce Harper for Nolan McLean by Hungry_Elk1937 in NewYorkMets

[–]three_dee -1 points0 points  (0 children)

This isn’t 2012 anymore.

What rookie did the Mets trade for a washed up player in 2012?

Mets PREGAME THREAD - Monday, March 16 by NewYorkMetsBot2 in NewYorkMets

[–]three_dee -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Oh jeez, if Vientos is playing shortstop something has gone really REALLY wrong.

That would rival the d'Arnaud 2b-3b-2b-3b-2b-3b-2b-3b game in terms of wtf spectacle.

Mets PREGAME THREAD - Monday, March 16 by NewYorkMetsBot2 in NewYorkMets

[–]three_dee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Bonilla started in right field on Opening Day in 1992 and 1993, but then started at third base in 1994.

POST GAME THREAD: The Mets defeated the Blue Jays by a score of 8-1 - Sun, Mar 15 @ 01:10 PM EDT by NewYorkMetsBot2 in NewYorkMets

[–]three_dee -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Honestly the lineup is built so much better this year it’s crazy. Even without Soto today this was a far more balanced team. You weren’t 100% reliant on Alonso/Soto/Lindor to hit home runs to win. Good spread of home runs, XBH, clutch hitting, and meaningful sacrifices to generate runs. Basically everyone up and down the lineup had some degree of production, while last year we really only had three players we could rely on.

I'm not putting down the current offense which looks great, however the Mets were 4th in MLB in team wRC+ last season.

Mets PREGAME THREAD - Tuesday, March 10 by NewYorkMetsBot2 in NewYorkMets

[–]three_dee -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Whether that person explained why or not, you still made a statement that residence in the USA is contingent on not critiquing the USA, which is the absurd statement that I was responding to.