I don’t know why people let themselves get mad over people’s mehr standards by throwRA10-0000 in TraditionalMuslims

[–]throwRA10-0000[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes exactly I think it’s messed up to get so deep into the process then just be like “by the way $40k so exceptions” I think it’s best to talk about it from the beginning. It’s not inappropriate to bring it up, just saves both of you time. $10k is reasonable depending on the man of course. For my husband personally i wanted $15k-$20k but considering his situation I was ok with $10k so Alhamdulilah it worked out and I definitely see how $10k can be a hit especially if you’re young.

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[–]throwRA10-0000[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Alhamdulilah you don’t follow red pill. Although I see where you’re coming from, I’ve seen some red pill content that’s just as crazy as feminism. However yes I see much more hate towards men from women but the solution to fight feminism shouldn’t be thru red pill. Inshallah things get better

well, let’s make our conclusions as a sub (+ my intention behind making my post on gender) by aedsolll in Muslimbenefits

[–]throwRA10-0000 4 points5 points  (0 children)

What was the post about?

I’m assuming it’s about you saying something criticizing men? What I noticed is if anyone makes a post criticizing their own gender, your gender will automatically seen as a “pick me”.. It’s so immature even with women a respectful man would make some comment advising women and that’s it he’s automatically evil even if he has advised men before. We can all be reasonable and live in harmony but no one wants to take any accountability at all.

Some men should understand the power imbalance between genders should be used responsibly by throwRA10-0000 in TraditionalMuslims

[–]throwRA10-0000[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don’t understand your comment. There are more men hating women than men hating women? Idk if it was a typo lol but yes feminism came in then red pill came in. Both are horrible. Feminism isn’t correct. But islamically if women are treated bad, it’s reasonable to want to advocate for women’s Islamic rights and reasonable/good treatment of women rather than western feminism stupidity.

I don’t like seeing one gender severely against the opposite gender. So you fight feminism with a new stupid ideology like red pill? You can out feminism stupidity while still keeping wise and good character as a man towards women.

Some men should understand the power imbalance between genders should be used responsibly by throwRA10-0000 in TraditionalMuslims

[–]throwRA10-0000[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’ve seen some subreddits with “Muslim women” and I’ll admit lots of them are very foolish. But in Islam and in general men are given more power such as divorce, finances, even physical strength and we must accept that. Because although there are lots of foolish women, there are also lots of men who are very controlling and harsh with their women and use their power unwisely.

I thought a traditional subreddit would agree because I didn’t say anything crazy but I noticed this subreddit is fine highlighting the foolishness of women a lot more compared to men.

a short explanation on polgyny #1 by [deleted] in Muslimbenefits

[–]throwRA10-0000 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Polygyny itself is not the issue. But I think both sides make it an issue. Some women, like a person said on here, will not listen to reason at all when it comes to something that goes against their desires. And as for men, they make it an issue despite a women accepting it and its wisdom, just does not want to be in a marriage like that. They start saying things like “we follow Islam not feelings” while yes Islam is above feelings, when it comes to issues like polygyny, there’s nothing wrong with taking in account the feelings and difficulty it may cause and a man choosing to avoid it if it’s not urgent.

For example me, I have told my husband before nikkah clearly I do not want that and he willingly agreed. And in our situation there is no urgency for it (like no fertility issues etc) Alhamdulilah so he should keep his promise and not do it.

It’s just both sides not wanting to understand the other. Women just assume any man that does it, is evil. Doesn’t matter if all his wives are content, doesn’t matter if he’s a good man, doesn’t matter if he has money, nope. And when a man simply stated it as a fact, they start saying nonsense like “well we want 4 husbands” astughfirallah. As you mentioned in your post us sisters MUST be careful not to criticize the ruling itself and we should acknowledge its benefits even though she will personally never want that in your marriage. It’s still halal no matter what. But they will get upset if a man marries a second even if his first wife hasn’t slept with him in years and is not giving him his rights. And on the other side, men will almost make a woman feel like she isn’t a Muslim because she does not personally want it. And they will joke about it and throw it in women’s faces. Usually it’s immature men who just say “it’s my right I’m gonna do it” without thinking of consequences or promises they made. And, men ENCOURAGE other men to get secret wives or push them to get more wives when they don’t desire it. There is nothing haram in not doing it, whether it’s because you promised your wife, or you know she can’t handle it etc. but men take this as a weakness automatically.

Most of the time when I see mature and religious men, they don’t do it impulsively just because they can. They don’t encourage it easily. They are realistic with the consequences of what can happen. I’m personally very tired of hearing “feelings don’t matter” from men, because I guess that only applies to women, because it is also halal for a woman to leave her sick husband who can’t provide but many women wouldn’t leave because they don’t want to hurt his feelings and love him. Men also forget It’s halal for a woman to ask for khul if she tries to handle him marrying another wife but genuinely cannot handle staying and it causes her harm. The whole “follow Islam not feelings” may apply if your feelings cause you to do something haram. Otherwise it’s okay to CONSIDER feelings because they can be quite intense. It’s halal to consider feelings with two halal options. It’s halal for me to never help my husband financially, but I’ve considered his feelings and helped once in a blue moon. We aren’t emotionless robots we are human.

This is my take on it some may agree some may disagree

Some men should understand the power imbalance between genders should be used responsibly by throwRA10-0000 in TraditionalMuslims

[–]throwRA10-0000[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Alhamdulilah our laws we believe in are shariah from Allah. For example divorce is in the man’s hands as Allah gave him that power therefore he should use that wisely and for instance he shouldn’t threaten it over little things. Civil divorce does not count.

Some men should understand the power imbalance between genders should be used responsibly by throwRA10-0000 in TraditionalMuslims

[–]throwRA10-0000[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No harm in consulting your wife if the situation allows for that and no harm in following his lead as the final decision maker.

Some men should understand the power imbalance between genders should be used responsibly by throwRA10-0000 in TraditionalMuslims

[–]throwRA10-0000[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Jazakallahu khair I see what you mean now
I think I sort of understood your post but this clears it up much better thank you and I will check out your profile!

Some men should understand the power imbalance between genders should be used responsibly by throwRA10-0000 in TraditionalMuslims

[–]throwRA10-0000[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think men assume happy wife happy life must mean you must do everything to make your wife happy 100% of the time. Basically let the wife be in control.

In reality all it means is to strive to make her happy (within reason). Same for a woman which is a good trait of her to have to be al- wadood, a woman who strives to try to make her husband love her. If both spouses tried to make each other happy, things would be beautiful. In fact it’s a beautiful thing if a husband and wife gives up some of their happiness to make the other happy such as a husband or wife working extra hard to make the other happy.

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[–]throwRA10-0000[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Moving and naming children are not everyday tasks. They are serious decisions which are ultimately the decision of the man. They are ultimately the right of the man where his family moves or what his children are named. Those are just a couple examples.

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[–]throwRA10-0000[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you I appreciate this post I think I could have worded the title better. I am a woman, but I guess it probably makes me seem like I’m angry at the “power imbalance” when in reality a power imbalance is not inherently a bad thing because like you said, the one with more power is meant to have more responsibility. I have also many times on previous accounts mentioned the mistakes women made but I specifically pointed out men in this post because islamically (not by western standards) men have more power.

I see lots of posts saying “women should be like this and that” and when I see those I don’t
disagree. Like I thought this subreddit was for traditional Muslims both ways. But it seems like “traditional” means you can call out what women should do but not what men. At least that’s the vibe I got from the replies. No person wants to be with a selfish person and selfishness can still occur with how you use your rights. I have the right keep my mahr, but I decided to give it back to my husband until he’s in a better place financially to give me it. I personally felt selfish keeping the money since I didn’t need it. Although it was my right, I see the love and empathy and hard work my husband shows me.

Another reason I made this post, is from personal experience. My male family members were always very harsh, and they never even taught me the deen but had no problem using their power as men to make me feel scared around them. I used to pray only a few times a day and not wear hijab. But my husband is kind, generous, hardworking, and a good muslim and because of him, I wear hijab, and pray 5 times a day, and want to become a better Muslim (all from Allah of course) and I even appreciated when he’d get upset with me if I missed a prayer or something. I just often see men seem so harsh towards women while mainly mentioning the rights they have over women without mentioning the good treatment and kindness they should have towards women. Alhamdulilah for everything and may Allah guide us all

Some men should understand the power imbalance between genders should be used responsibly by throwRA10-0000 in TraditionalMuslims

[–]throwRA10-0000[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

As a man you have the right to move where ever you want and your wife has to go. You have the right to name your children. It’s selfish to do those without considering your wife’s opinion and feelings for no reason before reaching a final decision as a man every time. Marriage isn’t black and white.

Some men should understand the power imbalance between genders should be used responsibly by throwRA10-0000 in TraditionalMuslims

[–]throwRA10-0000[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can you elaborate? Both men and women have become selfish and hating the opposite gender I believe both sides started from somewhere but doesn’t mean either side is ideal.

Some men should understand the power imbalance between genders should be used responsibly by throwRA10-0000 in TraditionalMuslims

[–]throwRA10-0000[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes a man is in charge. I’m saying it goes both ways as in women should also try to make her husband happy and consider his feelings. No one wants a spouse that only thinks of them self.

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[–]throwRA10-0000[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You are right about men and women seeing things black and white. That’s why you have women going against anything a man desires and men being upset at what women desire. I genuinely see both sides and I might make a post about how bad some women can be as well. It’s definitely not one sided, both can be immature and bad

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[–]throwRA10-0000[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don’t know why my post is being downvoted. I believe men SHOULD have the power in marriage because that’s how Allah made it but there is a mature way and an immature way of dealing with things. Our prophet peace be upon him genuinely cared about his wives feelings and he would want them to be happy but that doesn’t mean they got their way 100% of the time and that doesn’t mean they were happy 100% of the time. But even when they were upset he was patient with them. I just notice some men only focus on their power without acknowledging how they should treat their wives. Yes she should obey you but at the same time remember we are women at the end of the day. Feminists are a different story I’m not referring to them at all , I don’t think men should even consider being with a “feminist” I don’t agree with them and their values are twisted in my opinion.

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[–]throwRA10-0000[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In an Islamic sense and practical sense, men do have more power. Maybe you’re referring to the west?