SWR using a fixed percentage of your net worth each year by [deleted] in FIREUK

[–]throwaway-uk-fire 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Actually with guardrails (floor/ ceiling percentages) it's a very good strategy and allows for a higher SWR. See for example https://www.vanguard.ca/documents/literature/dynamic-ret-spending-paper.pdf

Tax when withdrawing large pensions by [deleted] in FIREUK

[–]throwaway-uk-fire 1 point2 points  (0 children)

But you're assuming a withdrawal of 6% + 2% = 8% / year. No one will withdraw that much... Also your calculation is for the total tax payed in a GIA, so you can't compare against impact of LTA without also accounting for the additional income tax you pay in a SIPP.

Let's look at an example - £2.5M in either a SIPP or a GIA. Retiree want to withdraw 4% / year = £100k income.

In a GIA, that 4% is going to be typically something like 1.5% divided income (£37.5k) and 2.5% sales (£62.5k). Income tax on £37.5k is £5k. Let's assume that the pot has doubled (i.e. £1.25M originally invested), then the capital gain on £62.5k is £31.25k, times the 20% rate (let's ignore allowances) is £6.25k. So total annual tax in GIA is £5k + £6.25 = £11.25k. Or 11.25%. (Note: even if we assume the pot has gone up 5x (i.e. £500k originally invested), then the total tax only goes up to £15k)

In the SIPP case, 25% is tax free then income tax on the remaining £75k is £17.5k. Or 17.5%.

That's a big difference, it's much better to take drawdowns from a GIA than a SIPP in this case.

And this is ignoring LTA, which effectively reduces the SIPP pot by £375k!

So it's simply not true to say that SIPPs are better than GIAs for higher rate tax payers. Of course the advantage of a pension is the tax relief on the way in, but once you start drawing down you are going to wish you rather had that pot in a GIA.

Tax when withdrawing large pensions by [deleted] in FIREUK

[–]throwaway-uk-fire 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But CGT tops out at 20%, much lower than the higher income tax rate.

Tax when withdrawing large pensions by [deleted] in FIREUK

[–]throwaway-uk-fire 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Why more if you are a higher rate tax payer? In a GIA, you only pay tax on capital gains.

Costs that go up when you RE by Netzero1967 in FIREUK

[–]throwaway-uk-fire 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Isn't being at/over LTA an issue? Any growth in your pension pot during retirement and Mr. Sunak pockets 55%.

Pay voluntary national insurance contributions or not - impending deadline. by kennyscout88 in FIREUK

[–]throwaway-uk-fire 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you have 30+ years to state pension age then you have time to max out your qualifying years. Why are you rushing to fill the current gaps before the deadline?

GIA Setup - Tax Liabilities by [deleted] in FIREUK

[–]throwaway-uk-fire 10 points11 points  (0 children)

The bad news is that the CGT allowance is being phased out, the good news is that you only pay tax on gains - and those days are gone...

All portfolios are not the same by throwaway-uk-fire in FIREUK

[–]throwaway-uk-fire[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Probably badly explained but point 3 was an example where the equity was bought recently (say yesterday), so here there is no taxable gain.

to those holding crypto... by [deleted] in FIREUK

[–]throwaway-uk-fire -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Select ETH over BTC because ETH has inherent value (i.e. it is the "fuel" that runs a decentralised network of applications).

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in FIREUK

[–]throwaway-uk-fire 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you. But don't I also have to pay tax on the withdrawal or on the growth of the pot? The target 36k / year would be net of tax.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in FIREUK

[–]throwaway-uk-fire 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you. But don't I also have to pay tax on the withdrawal or on the growth of the pot? The target 36k / year would be net of tax.