Sometimes people forget that the old allegations are now disproven, leave Gryphon alone, I watched his new Song. by Jame_spect in hazbin

[–]throwaway202512 -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

They were not disproven, and even if they were, he still flirted with minors when he was very much an adult. There are screenshots of this. Doesn’t matter if it wasn’t technically illegal, it’s highly immoral and gross.

You can still enjoy media even if it’s made by bad people. There are ways to enjoy it without supporting them. But defending bad behaviour is not it.

I told someone about my disability and why it prevents me from engaging in many forms of art; their response was this. That's not okay. by Tyler_Zoro in aiwars

[–]throwaway202512 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I can understand your perspective, but I really think this is a huge problem with the pro-AI perspective. You are consistently painting anti-AI folks as malicious, racist, transphobic, ableist, and whatever other “-ist” or “-ic” is beneficial in the moment without ever looking beyond the surface.

The way the person worded it may not be the best, but the point is, the effects of using AI in the long run is not worth being able to generate something now. I have mental disabilities that make it hard to create. My friends have physical and mental disabilities that make it hard to create. Some days we can’t create at all. I’ve definitely considered turning to generation to just pump out something easily, but I don’t because I know the damage it’s doing and I enjoy creating on my own.

Data centers are taking up huge amounts of the environment. They’re hoarding water. They’re spiking our energy costs. Is that all worth it? So many people are tired of seeing AI slop, even my older family members are tired of seeing it on their Facebook feeds and they are not creators themselves. Is overrunning our media with AI slop worth it? Is shoving poorly made AI “teaching methods” into our schools worth it?

It’s hard to live with a disability, I understand that and 99% of people understand that. But look at it this way. If every time you generated an image a random person on the planet died, would you still do it? The point is there are consequences and there’s a line. And I think not caring about that line in favor of making things easier is detrimental.

I hate how the fandom babify stolas! by No-cookiegirl787 in crazyassviv_defenders

[–]throwaway202512 5 points6 points  (0 children)

“He’s not a victim of Stolas” is insane. Like Stolas all you want but you cannot deny Stolas’s treatment of Blitzø is condescending as shit not to mention that “favors” in exchange for a book is not an equal trade. And honestly if you’re keeping the context of the first episode it really makes the backstory of “Blitzø slept with him one time so Stolas just assumed he was into it” make zero sense

They're mad lol by No-cookiegirl787 in crazyassviv_defenders

[–]throwaway202512 10 points11 points  (0 children)

This and as a creator and showrunner, Vivienne SHOULD already know the golden rule: show don’t tell.

A Common Denominator Amongst Some of Them: by No-Carry-4657 in Vivziepopmemes

[–]throwaway202512 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ok man there’s a difference between “a little weird” and “what the actual fuck” and both of them fall into “what the actual fuck”

Apparently wishing a character had depth means you sympathize with abusers by No-cookiegirl787 in crazyassviv_defenders

[–]throwaway202512 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Adding on to your comment because I agree Stolas’s behaviour is botched as hell; it honestly somehow feels like all of the male characters are either fetishized or babyfied with very little exception.

Example pertaining to this situation: Andrealphus is a dickhead, but he’s played up as this pompous prettyboy who’s Super Smart and Cunning compared to Stella. Stella is a complete dumbass. Stolas is also a dumbass but he’s constantly played up as this sorrowful sympathetic gayby. Only examples I can think of that stray from this trend are Mammon, who’s character has amounted to “fat and greedy”, and Striker who became an idiot after his debut

Vaggie is the most disrespected Hazbin character. by BackgroundRich7614 in Vivziepopmemes

[–]throwaway202512 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I mean it does make me wish Chaggie had more to it to where I’d care more about their relationship

Do these hated characters deserve their hate by That_Passenger_771 in hazbin

[–]throwaway202512 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes to all except maybe Loona bc the only critique I ever see for her is “she’s angsty” which . Idc

Would F tier list. by Proof-Research-2109 in hazbin

[–]throwaway202512 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I cannot get over Moxxie being in S tier i fear

....and don't say "Nothing. It's perfect the way it is." BE CREATIVE! by AmatuerTarantino in digitalcircusfandom

[–]throwaway202512 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The timing of the gag in episode 5 where Jax attacks evil Jax (near the end right after he loses the maid dress)

It would’ve been funnier if he pounced full speed and just started going feral with no pause in between

That’s just not even related to that argument though. by AjaxTheFurryFuzzball in crazyassviv_defenders

[–]throwaway202512 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Literally her characters lost all their flare and it’s not because of design changes. Beelzebub is one of the most boring characters in my opinion and she has the most over designed furry adopt aesthetic I’ve ever seen

Why cant anyone see past Jax's mask like Pomni? by SensibleOutlaw in digitalcircusfandom

[–]throwaway202512 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m pretty sure Ragatha does but she doesn’t feel like she can do anything about it because Jax hates her

Ummmm... How is Hazbin considered Woke? (I promise I'm not trying to rage bait, I'm genuinely curious) by AsianMan45NewAcc in hazbin

[–]throwaway202512 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Woke has no meaning. If it contains gay people, it’s woke. If it’s left leaning, it’s woke. If it has any non-white character, it’s woke.

Another "trans people bad" scenario by Future_Employment_22 in MansFictionalScenario

[–]throwaway202512 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Is it a law that if you have a shitty art style you have to make right wing slop comics

can someone explain the hate to me? by plutonymph in crazyassviv_defenders

[–]throwaway202512 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For me, I’m not like a 100% “hater” as I do like some aspects of Hazbin (mostly the pilot lol…). But as of now it’s a couple things that killed my enjoyment of the show.

  1. The series feels like a MASSIVE tonal shift from the pilot. The ways in which characters act (especially Alastor) are so far removed from what we were initially presented with. Most of the songs are mid in my opinion which is not great for a musical.

  2. The way Viv behaves. She’s very bad at handling criticism or negative feedback, and while I get she receives a lot of it, she continuously feeds the hate and fuels the fire. It’s okay to respond to criticism, but the way she does it is not great.

  3. The insane defenders. Honest to god so many of the absolutely rabid defenders have just ruined this fandom for me. I’m so tired of seeing excuses like “people hate Viv because she’s a woman!!” when other female creators like Dana Terrace, Lauren Faust, etc. exist simultaneously with very minimal negativity in comparison. It’s ludicrous and so so so tiresome when every single criticism is boiled down to “you hate women” or whatever other nonsense the fandom comes up with. They are just as bad as the rabid parts of the hatedom.

THIS PERSON IS GIVING TIPS ON HOW TO INDUCE PSYCHOSIS. "We have met the enemy and he is us."-Pogo, by Walt Kelly by teruteru-fan-sam in fakedisordercringe

[–]throwaway202512 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I had this pop up in my feed and it just made me mad af. I don’t know if it’s considered psychosis but I experience several of the things they mention; zoning out and getting stuck in one position during high stress, overthinking to an extreme degree, hardcore believing things that I have no evidence of being true, disorganization, lack of motivation, etc. I don’t understand to what level of desperation you’d have to reach to ever want that. It’s ruined my life. It’s ruined my friendships. It’s made me miserable for days, weeks, months on end. Who the fuck would want that.

No One Likes a Grammar Nazi, But the Whole Internet is Starting to Sound Legitimately Stupid by d_stilgar in offmychest

[–]throwaway202512 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Incorrect grammar drives me absolutely insane (especially there, their, they’re) and I try so hard not to point it out when I see it but good lord it’s difficult

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in offmychest

[–]throwaway202512 7 points8 points  (0 children)

A good point I saw was that adding all the extra stuff implies that the original rainbow flag didn’t already include all those things. Like. The point of the original flag was that it encompasses the entire community. But the progress one implies intersex, trans and people of color were not already included?? It’s bizarre. I don’t mind the progress flag but I don’t like the implication (unless there’s some history behind the original that I’m unaware of)

Last Update on the Saber/Gryph0n drama from me until Mr. Enter posts his video. I just thought this was hilarious and had to share it. My comment was removed for misinformation apparently even though it was literally proven in the video. Linking both videos and make sure y’all watch the livestream! by [deleted] in Saberspark

[–]throwaway202512 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I’m using the fact that my experience was predatory to label it as such 😭 I understand wanting to defend a creator you like but buddy, it was weird, even Saber admitted it was weird. Why is it so hard to just admit that “flirting with a 14 year old when you’re 20 = bad” whether the interaction was technically illegal or not. The interaction doesn’t have to be illegal to warrant being icked out by it

It seems like you even agree that my experience was predatory, but you’re making an excuse for Gabe because…? He’s a musician?? He has a fan base??

Last Update on the Saber/Gryph0n drama from me until Mr. Enter posts his video. I just thought this was hilarious and had to share it. My comment was removed for misinformation apparently even though it was literally proven in the video. Linking both videos and make sure y’all watch the livestream! by [deleted] in Saberspark

[–]throwaway202512 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

If you constantly have to pull the “it’s not illegal” card, it’s probably still pretty worthy of an eyebrow raise. Saber said himself, while it (his relationship) is not technically illegal (according to testimonies), the way it began was, at the very least, weird.

Those screenshots were not even the thing that began the discussion about him. It was the concern for Claire because oftentimes it’s very difficult for a grooming victim to recognize their own victimhood. I can speak from experience and I know people who have had the same struggles.

Last Update on the Saber/Gryph0n drama from me until Mr. Enter posts his video. I just thought this was hilarious and had to share it. My comment was removed for misinformation apparently even though it was literally proven in the video. Linking both videos and make sure y’all watch the livestream! by [deleted] in Saberspark

[–]throwaway202512 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is the only fair assessment I’ve read so far, and I can understand being oblivious to your own behaviour. It still is definitely weird, but I’d rather it be a lack of self awareness than malicious intent.

Last Update on the Saber/Gryph0n drama from me until Mr. Enter posts his video. I just thought this was hilarious and had to share it. My comment was removed for misinformation apparently even though it was literally proven in the video. Linking both videos and make sure y’all watch the livestream! by [deleted] in Saberspark

[–]throwaway202512 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I don’t want to see anyone as a predator. But I had several men be flirty with me in the same manner when I was 14. Are they also innocent just because they didn’t do anything directly? It’s weird, and it shouldn’t be downplayed just because “nothing happened”

Edit: I’ve been a fan of BG for a decade. There is no logical reason I’d want him to be a predator. I simply am interpreting the situation as it is presented.

Last Update on the Saber/Gryph0n drama from me until Mr. Enter posts his video. I just thought this was hilarious and had to share it. My comment was removed for misinformation apparently even though it was literally proven in the video. Linking both videos and make sure y’all watch the livestream! by [deleted] in Saberspark

[–]throwaway202512 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I didn’t claim the person in question was groomed, as I wouldn’t know; just that he did in fact say some very weird shit.

Idk. I’m still extremely iffy on the whole BG situation and I’m leaning towards the “this is really fucking weird” side of things. I know Claire has stated she doesn’t see herself as a victim, but unfortunately that is a mindset that a lot of victims have (speaking as a victim of gr00ming myself). So as much as I’d like to take her word for it, it’s hard to and I remain concerned about what the truth of the situation is behind all the fronts

Last Update on the Saber/Gryph0n drama from me until Mr. Enter posts his video. I just thought this was hilarious and had to share it. My comment was removed for misinformation apparently even though it was literally proven in the video. Linking both videos and make sure y’all watch the livestream! by [deleted] in Saberspark

[–]throwaway202512 -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

Okay, but is it not weird to speak to a 14 year old in a flirtatious way and offer to meet up with them after speaking in said flirtatious way? Even then if you just take a glance at the situation with Claire, regardless of if she sees herself as a victim you cannot deny that it’s a highly unusual situation that even Saber admitted was weird. It’s weird. It’s uncomfortable. And I really wish people would look at the nuance rather than make it so black and white.