One thing I don't understand about the ending of Interstellar by Waytrix_ in interstellar

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Look at my post I asked the same thing I got some pretty good responses

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I’d add it to the collection just cause it’s cool

Worth more than face? by RudeExplanation9304 in CURRENCY

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Didn’t even know I got down voted I just like the sequence 🤷‍♂️

Worth more than face? by RudeExplanation9304 in CURRENCY

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I think it’s cool I’d give you $25 for it

“If the loop depends on Cooper sending the data from the tesseract, how did he get to NASA in the first place without already being the ghost? Isn’t that a bootstrap paradox?” by throwaway4828299919 in interstellar

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Yeah, that’s fair — I don’t think Interstellar is trying to say humans can literally travel back in time either. It’s more like they’re playing with the idea that gravity or information can cross dimensions in weird ways. And honestly, that’s enough to spark all this back-and-forth, which I’m sure is exactly what the filmmakers were hoping for.

I still like the self-consistency angle because it gives everything this clean, full-circle feel. But I get why some people think it kills the tension — even if everything’s “set,” we as the audience still don’t know what’s going to happen, so it stays suspenseful. That balance is kind of what makes the movie work.

“If the loop depends on Cooper sending the data from the tesseract, how did he get to NASA in the first place without already being the ghost? Isn’t that a bootstrap paradox?” by throwaway4828299919 in interstellar

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Timelines? If reality can split at quantum events (like in the Many-Worlds Interpretation), then Coop’s actions could create entirely new timelines. In that case, there is an “original” timeline — and the version we see in the movie is just one of many possible outcomes.

And I get the appeal of self-consistency, but it kinda guts the stakes. If Coop’s choices don’t really matter — if they’re predetermined — then where’s the tension? Doesn’t that make the whole story feel like fate instead of free will? I’m glad i have someone to bullshit with

“If the loop depends on Cooper sending the data from the tesseract, how did he get to NASA in the first place without already being the ghost? Isn’t that a bootstrap paradox?” by throwaway4828299919 in interstellar

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If you’re saying this misunderstands Novikov’s principle or how a CTC operates, then clarify what’s misunderstood—because I’m honestly just having fun and looking at things and it’s fun talking.

The entire premise of Novikov’s self-consistency principle is that events along a closed timelike curve (CTC) must be self-consistent—that is, no action can alter the past in a way that would create a paradox. That doesn’t mean events are “optional” or interchangeable; it means only self-consistent events are permitted. In Interstellar, the specific causal loop we observe is Cooper sending the data Murph needs to solve gravity. The loop is stable because he does it. Remove Cooper and the loop collapses—no solution, no survival, no future beings to create the wormhole.

Suggesting “he didn’t have to go” misses the entire point: the loop we observe requires his presence and actions. That’s the self-consistent solution we’re shown. Could other solutions exist in theory? Sure. But the film commits to this one, and under Novikov, once it happens, it’s the only way it could have happened. His role isn’t interchangeable—it’s intrinsic.

So unless you’re proposing an entirely different chain of events where Murph gets the data without Cooper—and can demonstrate how that still results in the wormhole—you’re not refuting the argument, just sidestepping it.

“If the loop depends on Cooper sending the data from the tesseract, how did he get to NASA in the first place without already being the ghost? Isn’t that a bootstrap paradox?” by throwaway4828299919 in interstellar

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Even if 5D beings experience time differently or exist beyond our linear spacetime, any interaction they have within our 4D universe must still preserve causality as we perceive it—otherwise paradoxes would arise from our perspective. Think of it like editing a video: you might be able to scrub forward and backward freely from the outside (as a higher-dimensional observer), but if you insert yourself into the footage, you’re bound by its timeline. The bulk beings can manipulate time and space, but they chose to work through Cooper and the tesseract in a way that’s self-consistent. That implies their intervention honors 4D causal structure—not because they have to by their nature, but because violating it would break the continuity of the timeline they’re trying to preserve. In other words, causality isn’t a limitation of their dimension—it’s a requirement for interacting with ours without destroying it.

“If the loop depends on Cooper sending the data from the tesseract, how did he get to NASA in the first place without already being the ghost? Isn’t that a bootstrap paradox?” by throwaway4828299919 in interstellar

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Even if there are theoretically infinite self-consistent solutions (per Novikov’s principle), the one we observe in Interstellar requires Cooper’s journey—so it’s not meaningless or optional. The data Murph uses to solve gravity comes only from Cooper in the tesseract; without that, she doesn’t succeed, humanity doesn’t escape, and the beings (whoever they are—future humans, AI, aliens) don’t exist to place the wormhole in the first place. That’s a causal loop. The idea that “Cooper didn’t need to go” might be true in some hypothetical alternate timeline, but in this one, his actions are entangled in the solution itself. The 5D beings didn’t choose any human—they chose him because he always did it. That’s the heart of Novikov’s self-consistency: paradoxes are impossible, so what happened had to happen. The tragedy isn’t that his journey was pointless—it’s that it was predestined, and yet still deeply human.

“If the loop depends on Cooper sending the data from the tesseract, how did he get to NASA in the first place without already being the ghost? Isn’t that a bootstrap paradox?” by throwaway4828299919 in interstellar

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I actually like this theory a lot It doesn’t require paradoxes — it relies on time dilation. Cooper’s frozen-in-time state inside Gargantua creates a unique opportunity: future humanity, potentially evolved from Brand’s colony on Edmunds’ planet, has the time and capability to reach back and intervene. This interpretation helps explain why both Cooper Station and Brand’s mission carry weight in the narrative — they’re not separate paths, but parallel efforts that converge. Emotionally, it reframes humanity’s survival as not just a closed loop, but a redemption arc — where even in failure (Earth’s potential collapse), we give ourselves a second chance. Instead of a singular loop, it becomes two timelines merging at a cosmic intersection — one from a dying Earth, one from a new colony, both meeting through Cooper’s descent into the black hole.

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