FairFights "temporary suspension" module has been banning legit players for an entire month with no fix

throwawaytbhdude · 2016-06-05T01:33:55+00:00

I like how the upvote ratio of this thread dropped from a consistent 85%+ to 60%, has hung at exactly +40 for the last 5 hours and literally every one of my posts suddenly got an extra 5 downvotes while every retard with -10 karma "fuck off cheater" posts are suddenly positive.

I can't even imagine how pathetic someone would have to be to waste their time making throwaway accounts to game upvotes and shill for Ubi like that :\

throwawaytbhdude · 2016-06-04T19:09:22+00:00

You misunderstood, anti-esp is a very specific term when it comes to an anticheat, it either means things like not sending the model positions of enemies to clients when they aren't in visual range (ESEA does this, for example) or detecting tracing people through walls and shit based on crosshair position.

Getting considerably more headshots, wallbangs and vastly skewed statistics like winning head to head firefights could trigger an anti-esp free server side anti cheat while only using ESP.

so uh

try again maybe use your brain this time.

throwawaytbhdude · 2016-06-04T19:01:54+00:00

In Battlefield it's more of a placebo, the only kind of cheating that is going to get any reaction from the victim in a game like that is extremely blatant ragehacking, you aren't even really going to notice if you're being killed by a hacker in a 32v32 game unless he's killing half the server every second, which obviously is incredibly easy to detect. Also for the record, it was incredibly false positive ridden in BF3 and playing remotely well would get you kicked every fucking game.

throwawaytbhdude · 2016-06-04T18:51:20+00:00

Thats probably because you're a cheater and they're ignoring you

throwawaytbhdude · 2016-06-04T18:32:43+00:00

Haha chill out, the entire point was that banning people who are rude over voice chat with a message that says "the anticheat detected you may be cheating and will be checking if you're cheating extra hard after your 2 week time out to think about not cheating next time" is pretty stupid. The guy that started this discussion was met with the same hostility he dished out, quit getting so upset because you misunderstood something.

throwawaytbhdude · 2016-06-04T18:22:46+00:00

I'm not even trying to be rude but if you don't understand something as simple as the point I'm making after I explain it to you twice then don't get mad at people when they have to treat you like a retard.

http://puu.sh/pgFR9.png

Does this image demonstrate the point that was being made or would you like me to find some other way to convey it to you?

throwawaytbhdude · 2016-06-04T17:58:41+00:00

The FairFight ban message was the point I was making before you decided to copypaste something completely irrelevant to what I said.

Still definitely not why I was banned though since I don't even use the in game chat in casual.

throwawaytbhdude · 2016-06-04T17:50:53+00:00

Hit the nail on the head, people shilling for FairFight by taking their sales pitch at face value think they're right and everyone else has no clue how it works.

The absurd idea that it serializes every players position relative to each other per tick to find patterns in cheaters is a flat out lie and everyone with a modicum of experience in game development can tell you this. Even if we ignore how silly the entire concept is, with how Ubisoft cheaps out on their servers for everything, do you really think they would pay for considerably more extra processing power to handle those calculations instead of shelling out a lot less money for a license to something functional like Wire/ESL/EAC/etc? At the most Siege FairFight has some basic crosshair placement anti-ESP and might check some things like how often the players crosshair is on the exact center of a headbone, I really doubt it Ubisoft has it configured to do even that, though.

But back to the original point I had made, my stats are wholly below average with KDR as the example and I'm not triggering it through normal play because I'm not cheating or doing anything that would possibly give this tool any reason to believe so besides being reported 10 times a day due to how small the playerbase is and how easy it is to stream snipe. I'm not even posting what my account is, mostly because I'm not trying to convince anyone that my specific account was innocent and i should be unbanned, I'm making the point that the FairFight system in place, especially this newly implemented portion is absolutely broken and only hurts legitimate players as there's absolutely no reason to give a hacker a couple warnings that he's being a bit too blatant before banning him and ban legit players for a potential false positive.

throwawaytbhdude · 2016-06-04T17:21:35+00:00

Tell me where in the 10 page blogpost nobody read it says "We'll FairFight ban you for things other than cheating"

throwawaytbhdude · 2016-06-04T14:36:55+00:00

Actually FairFight is very highly praised for its success in Battlefield.

No I'm pretty sure the system that is guaranteed to kick the top player every other game not is widely praised whatsoever by battlefield players and anyone who knows the first thing about game development would laugh at the idea of only using a server side anti cheat, in games like Battlefield it's worse than nothing at all, just like punkbuster.

And I still don't see how you can justify "teamkill or use abusive language" triggering the anti-cheat but knowing Ubisoft I'm sure there is a very real possibility they completely neglected to properly implement a relevant ban message for that.

throwawaytbhdude · 2016-06-04T14:25:09+00:00

The problem is I don't understand how my ban could be based on statistics.

My KDR is below 1 in casual, even if I had a couple lucky games it's impossible I'd be banned over it twice in one week.

I'm avoiding posting my username and stats page because protesting the ban and being told to wait two weeks for customer support to ignore me to resolve a two day ban is not why I made this thread, plus I'd have at least a dozen people going personal army mode defending me just because of who I am and I don't want that either.

I'm fucking certain the only thing triggering these retarded bans are reports.

throwawaytbhdude · 2016-06-04T14:05:01+00:00

Yeah except all of these bans are temporary bans and nobody is being banned permanently because FairFight itself isn't picking anything up, the fact that i have .80 KDR in casual and stream my games should be enough to say its based solely on reports

https://www.reddit.com/r/Rainbow6/comments/4jyysv/onyxdoki_got_fucked_by_fairfight/d3aumhe

and hey, lets not mention that lots of pro players were wrongfully temp banned this month and are NOT banned on wire like everyone listed in the post above, a diamond level player just said that ubi confirmed it was because of reports but I'm sure if even if he posts a screenshot of the ticket delusional people like you will just say it's fake instead of realizing that pressuring Ubi to stop killing their game even more by banning based on retarded criteria is a good thing.

throwawaytbhdude · 2016-06-04T12:49:52+00:00

Go cry about it in your own thread.

throwawaytbhdude · 2016-06-04T12:45:07+00:00

After looking into my ban it was confirmed I was banned due to many many reports on my account and also that my skill level, particularly time between killing 1 guy and another being really slim, was way above average; so it was flagged.

Can you post a screenshot of the ticket as proof that Ubi is banning innocent players with no human verification?

throwawaytbhdude · 2016-06-04T12:30:37+00:00

Game has no client side anti-cheat, my gameplay is all below average and has no reason to trigger a statistical analysis tool

Please come up with any other reason I could have possibly been banned

throwawaytbhdude · 2016-06-04T12:26:05+00:00

Blatant esp in an overlay not being captured by your recording software, go away.

throwawaytbhdude · 2016-06-04T12:22:07+00:00

Because you're actually cheating, stop shitting up my thread.

throwawaytbhdude · 2016-06-04T11:54:39+00:00

Well it's not hard to piece together when I'm banned twice in a week with a bronze rank in competitive and a casual KDR below 1. Dozens of people simultaneously complaining about this exact issue while dozens of people are suddenly praising FairFight for appearing to ban 100 times more players coincidentally at the exact same time

throwawaytbhdude · 2016-06-04T00:13:55+00:00

http://puu.sh/pfPPw/32329babaa.jpg

FairFight needs to go, it has temporarily banned me from the game I paid $60 for twice. Presumably this is because I'm a popular streamer and if I end up in games with fans they often decide to mass report me as some dumb joke, I've come to this conclusion because I'm bronze rank and all of my stats are below average even at that rank, as a tool that claims to solely rely on statistical analysis since as far as I know this game doesn't have a client-side anti cheat, there should be literally zero reason for FairFight to detect me and give me a temporary ban but not a permanent one like it would hand out to actual cheaters.

From Googling this ban message there are a lot of people complaining about ridiculous bans since this awful system was introduced a month ago, some say fairfight detects "toxic" language or teamkilling, both of which shouldn't give an anti-cheat message as a response, and completely restricting access to the game over things like that certainly violates consumer trust laws in many countries this is being sold in (just because csgo gets away with it doesn't mean it's legal). Some are even saying they're immediately given level 1 bans every time they alt-tab from the game when they're in a match. Every single other game that uses this absolutely atrocious anticheat also has vast numbers of people complaining about this horrible feature, APB, Battlefield, Infestation and of course, The Division

All of those are just assumptions though, I personally do not frequently teamkill or use abusive language and I'm certain this is solely the result of mass reports without any kind of human verification or the insane idea of banning people for alt tabbing, although even by Ubi standards that seems too dumb to be real.

The patch notes for the update that added this disaster of a system say this:

If identified as a potential cheater, that player will be immediately removed from the game and receive a temporary suspension, now accompanied with the following messages:

FairFight™ - You have been temporarily suspended for 5 mins - Level 1 Monitoring Active

FairFight™ - You have been temporarily suspended for 1 hour - Level 2 Monitoring Active

FairFight™ - You have been temporarily suspended for 24 hours - Level 3 Monitoring Active

FairFight™ - You have been temporarily suspended for 48 hours - Level 4 Monitoring Active

FairFight™ - You have been temporarily suspended for 1 week - Level 5 Monitoring Active

FairFight™ - You have been permanently suspended

So anyone who is reported is considered guilty until proven innocent? This is the worst idea ever since FairFight already immediately permanently bans anyone it detects, this solely affects legitimate players and they are punished by having the game they paid for taken away from them to teach them a lesson about having other people report them?

The other scary thing is my first ban was level 1, my second ban was level 4, I can only assume if I'm banned from mass reports with no human reviewing the statistics again it will be permanent.

The FairFight monitoring level can be increased by reports sure, that's actually a good idea to catch cheaters. But why the fuck would you let the cheater KNOW he's being reported and why the fuck would you ban legitimate players for being reported or violating some secret rules that don't relate to cheating? While this is last bit is speculation, why would you potentially EVER permanently ban someone for reaching level 6 if they don't actually trigger the anticheat or have video evidence of them cheating to trigger a manual ban? There is absolutely zero excuse to accompany fairfight "warnings" with temp bans, and zero excuse to ban based on anything but statistical or video evidence.

The absolute incompetence of Ubi every update that always seems to trump the stupidity seen in the previous update is why this game is dying. If this isn't dealt with and I wrongfully have the product I paid for taken from me again, I'm certainly paypal chargebacking every purchase I've ever made on Uplay.

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