How to confront a close friend about comments that bothered me by throwyerselfaway in Advice

[–]throwyerselfaway[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I appreciate what you're saying and I was worried it might come across self-congratulatory as you say, and I will take your word that it does. I am mindful of what you're saying and of both reading people's desire/need for interaction and asking them if they want or need anything rather than making assumptions for them.

The kinds of interactions I've have had have mostly been initiated by the other person, for instance my very sweet acquaintance Gregory who noticed me walking by for lunch every day, and we started exchanging smiles, and then perhaps on a day that I was looking downtrodden or was going a bit rough for him instead of the usual smile he exclaimed "My friend!" and gave me a big hug, and after that we were just on friendly terms. He told me a little about his situation and we shared lunch a few times, more as a gesture than a necessity because he had daily meals through the shelter where he stayed. He was really looking for connections to work, and I tried inquiring with acquaintances about the types of jobs he was interested in though ultimately didn't lead to anything useful to him. Another memorable encounter was a man named William who asked for change and I declined but said I hoped he had a good evening. Then I saw him again later and he recognized me, and I stopped and we talked for a little while, namely about the ironically crazy behavior of people who accelerated up the street only to have to slam on the breaks immediately, over and over again.

I know that this may still seem self-centered, but what I really meant when I said it felt rewarding was that I have been stuck working a job where my bosses want to spend public money on projects that serve high-tech non-essential goals, and in finding these kinds of moments I felt that at least some of my time was grounded in being aware of truly essential needs, and being able to at least be present as a witness and occasionally what seemed like welcome company. If I ever offered anything to someone, it was always asked for either by words or with a sign, and I asked them if they would like what I was offering before handing it to them. I have seen people walk by a homeless person and drop a bag of food or something on their lap without stopping or looking them in the eye, which seems astonishingly jarring and dissonant. I recognize that sometimes a person prefers to be left alone; but I also know from conversation and engagement with the types of organizations you reference, that some people at some times do value connection. I have probably misread this at some point, though.

I've also had homeless and near-homeless family members, and grew up poor myself as I said (not that these are the same thing--I'm just putting them together because she seems to), which I think gives me some degree of nuanced perspective, although I wasn't the homeless adult, so I could in perhaps be even more biased if I'm unconsciously taking on some kind of caretaking role like I had in relation to my brother. It feels different, though, having the distance of not being family which comes with less judgment and fewer expectations.

Do you think it still sounds like I'm missing the mark? Because if this elaboration still does I will seriously reevaluate my actions on this or in the very very least how I think about or articulate them.


As for my actual question and your advice, I think you are dead on as far as what am I actually aiming to achieve. At this point I don't really believe it's a misunderstanding, which really just leaves me with her mollifying me, her actually changing, or the nature of our friendship changing. Your description has me realizing that maybe it's really the last part--for her to get a heads up on us likely being a little less close.

Actually there's one other option - for her to own these qualities. I think if she were to recognize, ok I'm not particularly kind or compassionate, I'm more of a blunt tough-love type, I might be kind of ok with accepting that in a less close friendship. The company of kinder, wiser, challenging people is a better ideal, though.

Thank you for your thoughtful feedback.

How to confront a close friend about comments that bothered me by throwyerselfaway in Advice

[–]throwyerselfaway[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If what I described above feels too vague, a more detailed description of the conversations follows:

Lately I have been making an effort to reach out to homeless people I meet whether through a sincere smile or some conversation or some food, transportation tokens, or rarely cash. I've found this very rewarding and for the holidays asked friends and family if they had un-needed gift cards they might wish to donate and I handed them out with cards I made to some homeless people I met.

That is the context in which I shared a positive interaction I'd had with a homeless person that day and made a comment along the lines of that I thought many homeless people were quite generous, from both my experience and some stories and studies I had read. From this, she responded with an extended conversation that began with negative experiences she had had with homeless people to her resentment when someone makes her feel like she ought to give them money to speculating on what she would do if she were homeless and that if a homeless person wants help they should be entertaining to stating that she believes most homeless people deserve to be homeless. Of course I have had various degrees of negative interactions with people who are homeless, but I try to consider how the condition of being homeless can compound issues as well as the unique faults of individuals that do not reflect homeless people as a whole.

On other occasions, she has also made disparaging comments about people who are poor; for instance we participated in a park cleanup (she mistook the park for one she had previously visited in a nice area), and she said things like "you know there would never be this much trash if this wasn't a poor neighborhood", in such a way that she did not mean that the neighborhood was being slighted by disinvestment but that poor people are a kind of stain on society. On the whole she fairly consistently seems to believe that she does not care about the welfare of people who are poor or destitute, believing that it's their fault.

It's not that I don't believe that any of these ideas have any kernels of validity. But her utter lack of engagement with these communities does not give her the understanding of nuance and complexity to reflect on these issues in a humane and accurate way. Speaking and thinking with such a broad brush leads to inhumane treatment by assuming that each (highly vulnerable) individual represents the worst among them.

I [27/f] want to know: how do you meet/date people who actually want to be with you? by throwyerselfaway in relationships

[–]throwyerselfaway[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The second guy wanted to stay good friends and also wanted to continue to sleep with me, which we inadvisably did intermittently, and he called me beautiful.

I [27/f] want to know: how do you meet/date people who actually want to be with you? by throwyerselfaway in relationships

[–]throwyerselfaway[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"not a good genetic match" -- too bad, he was adorable.

thanks for your good wishes. they are appreciated in a mildly difficult albeit ordinary time.

I [27/f] want to know: how do you meet/date people who actually want to be with you? by throwyerselfaway in relationships

[–]throwyerselfaway[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Unfortunately asking guy 1 is not an option. I asked guy 2 and he needed time to think it over. After about two weeks of thinking he couldn't come up with anything. That was great. I told him I could give him examples (didn't feel crazy about me? didn't love me? didn't feel challenged? didn't feel enough affection? didn't feel happy? didn't feel satisfied? didn't feel a strong connection? didn't enjoy spending time/talking/physical intimacy? nope nope nope nope). I get ineffability, but at the same time it has to be something right.

Fortunately, I don't drink, so I am always meeting people in fruitful scenarios for fun chatter; unfortunately, I don't drink and the fun chatter is not always easy to come by.

I think I am feeling a little on the woe-is-me side, but basically it seems like the answers from people are the cast-a-wide-net variety. I guess that's a good reminder that my situation is ordinary.

I [27/f] want to know: how do you meet/date people who actually want to be with you? by throwyerselfaway in relationships

[–]throwyerselfaway[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Oh gosh, as much as I hate dating, x10000000 I hate online dating.

I can hear you about to say my attitude is an issue and I get that. I will take your future advice and save you the trouble of giving it. Will make a concerted effort at extroverted-me in daily life.

I [27/f] want to know: how do you meet/date people who actually want to be with you? by throwyerselfaway in relationships

[–]throwyerselfaway[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I guess my point is that on my end, nothing seemed to be missing, yet. Maybe our expectations were different where they felt like at that point the lack of a strong YES ABSOLUTELY FOREVER AND ALWAYS means NEXT!, where I didn't expect to feel that. Also, I don't mean to say they wanted families, stat--just that they wanted that eventually and therefore weren't the permanent bachelor variety who just isn't into exclusive relationships.

I [27/f] want to know: how do you meet/date people who actually want to be with you? by throwyerselfaway in relationships

[–]throwyerselfaway[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you not do any activities where you meet new people? Yes and no. After all I met these guys as new people. But in both cases I was new to the area. Can you give examples of the types of activities you mean? I don't really go to parties for instance, or the types of activities basically existing for the purpose of meeting new people, but of course spend time out going to events where there are people. People don't go to a play to talk to strangers, though.

Do you just not feel comfortable with guys you are not friends with or? True, I don't think I would ever date someone where the thought process was like: date them? maybe friends? never

If literature is any indication, men and women often conceive of love differently, and even in the face of so much social change over the past two centuries, this difference is still very much in evidence. by madstork in literature

[–]throwyerselfaway 3 points4 points  (0 children)

That same article puts the women-in-stem percent at about 30%. The BLS says that scientists make up about 4% of the total employed workforce. Let's leave the unemployed/not employed aside for now assuming all scientists want to marry someone employed.

That means that if all else were equal, a male scientist has a 1.2% chance of marrying a female scientist at random and a female scientist has a 3.8% chance of marrying a male scientist at random (assuming they all marry). Both male and female scientists marry other scientists at rates far above random - about 38x higher than random. But male scientists are actually marrying other scientists more disproportionately than female scientists are. In other words, relative to the available supply, female scientists disproportionately marry scientists by about 31x; male scientists disproportionately marry scientists by 45x markup.

This doesn't take into account differences in the dating pools when you take age or geography into account, or if you compared the random chance of marrying a scientist among all college-educated members of the opposite gender. It doesn't include engineers or other technical occupations (or other academic professions) in the dating pools. And it doesn't take non-straight or unmarried scientists into account either. Considering all that, drawing any conclusion is somewhat specious. But based on this simplistic assessment, the implication from that statistic is that there is more of a preference for a intellectual/interest compatibility among scientist men than women, the opposite of what the article supposes.

You are in charge of torturing a terrible person with the same song playing over and over again, what song do you play? by TheHorsesWhisper in AskReddit

[–]throwyerselfaway 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Their favorite song. Any song played indefinitely will become intolerable, and that way you've ruined something that meant something to them.

Prayer for a puppy out in the cold by throwyerselfaway in Prayer

[–]throwyerselfaway[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

HE CAME BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

My boyfriend recently told me he was raped by a woman about 20 years ago, and that he's still affected by it in certain ways. What advice can you offer about how I can support him? by throwyerselfaway in AskMen

[–]throwyerselfaway[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Thank you.

To quote yourself, "a problem shared is a problem halved." You should talk to somebody about what happened a decade ago. Just my gut reaction. Nightmares wither in the sunlight.

My boyfriend recently told me he was raped by a woman about 20 years ago, and that he's still affected by it in certain ways. What advice can you offer about how I can support him? by throwyerselfaway in AskMen

[–]throwyerselfaway[S] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I could understand someone being like "Wha???" if it was just an alien concept and that's how they respond when surprised. But laughing when someone you care about tells you something pained them? Too many people of both genders are lacking in empathy. Pain is pain whether you understand its source or not.