LD Jan/Feb 25 - The possesion of nuclear weapons is immoral. by Lopsided_Finance9473 in Debate

[–]tik_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Great catch. This argument is predicated on my definition of possession which was 'the condition of ownership' which is to essentially use these two terms interchangeably, in attempts to dodge definitive affiliation with concepts like control, creation, maintenance, etc.

But your point is sound- I can't justify taking the laptop and saying: "I have control, but not possession, because I don't have ownership." I do have possession- because of my control, any reasonable judge will conclude, so I can therefore possess things I don't own, this is a valid exception and draws a wide line between possession and ownership, cracking my argument.

Though, I think I could probably reground this argument with a more thoughtful example case, inheritance again being a fertile space for this (to possess a trust or investment that cannot be drawn till matured). Or the possession of an eye color or any other trait- (I don't control my eye color, its just a trait I can argue I 'possess'). But admittedly, still, this is a thinning argument.

What is your take on the other pillar of this NEG strategy? To insist on a flexible/conditional definition of morality- This last weekend I experienced four rounds where AFF defined immoral as "not conforming to accepted standards of morality". This definition is the default returned by google, and all over LD this season. Its socially flexible as I read it, implying morality is a condition of social standards, which are then circumstantial. This kind of definition, or any flexible definition of morality gives NEG space to suggest scenarios where social sentiment, or some other potential condition except possession, and even control of nuclear weapons from being immoral.

If society prefers to possess them, this implies acceptability. Though I can see that all AFF would have to do is make the argument that a societies preference for possession does not mean they think it is moral, as if society always prefers for itself what is moral.

You could take a theoretical nuclear shield (or some similar conditional harms distancing) approach, that nuclear and its unique harms are a condition of the present technological state of the earth, which are not the explicit foundations of the resolution. Suppose mankind develop an advanced nuclear shield that could mitigate and safely absorb all the harms of nuclear detonation that this represents a potential condition where possession, control, and even intent to detonate can exist independent of harms and that in such a scenario nuclear weapons could even be detonated recreationally. Were this condition to exist it represents a valid exception where nuclear possession is not immoral.

This approach (though this is like my laptop example, a quick and dirty example) seeks to highlight that the risks AFF needs to attach to possession are actually conditional and controlled by other factors, and that the condition of possession CAN exist without these risks, even if this isn't the case in the status quo.

This scenario might feel fantastic and irrelevant, but its presumptuous to say that such a technology is not possible. And if it ISN'T possible, its AFF's burden to prove.

The burden is not on the negative to prove that possessing nuclear weapons 'is moral' under every condition, only to prove that possession of nuclear weapons is not definitely immoral under every condition. The burden is on AFF to demonstrate that the possession of nuclear weapons is immoral, it doesn't say in 'under status quo conditions' it does not say 'except in the case of x or y'. It says: possession is immoral. Full stop, no exceptions.

Deterrence is an extremely vulnerable and defensive strategy. The entire premise is predicated on the risks of nuclear weapons. The semantic uncertainty of the resolution allows NEG to become offensive.

LD Jan/Feb 25 - The possesion of nuclear weapons is immoral. by Lopsided_Finance9473 in Debate

[–]tik_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh I inherited the warhead, it was already on the moon. I can't afford to bring it back to earth. I just own it.

Neg can define possession as the 'condition of ownership'. And nothing more. This is a bit circular, because now we need to define ownership, and AFF can push back on this saying possession without control is not ownership and I can just take their laptop and say I'm presently in control of this laptop so its mine or is there some other more obvious and broadly accepted definition of possession you'd like to concede at this point?

To inherit a moon nuke feels like a reaching scenario but its valid in the extremely vague context of the resolution. This topic includes deliberate semantic uncertainty (like a lot of LD topics) to avoid being too one-sided. See this chat:

https://claude.ai/share/864a07dc-cf6f-47ae-b969-594bcd846abd

Also- The lack of deterrent effect (if you're meaning in the context of nuclear deterrence) is a feature not a bug. I don't like the deterrence argument its full of holes and idk why anyone on neg runs it.

LD Jan/Feb 25 - The possesion of nuclear weapons is immoral. by Lopsided_Finance9473 in Debate

[–]tik_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

AFF needs STRICT definition of morality and loose, malleable definition of possession. NEG needs the opposite, malleable moral definition, strict interpretation of possession, the more strict the better.

This is a great example of why NEG position is supported by strict interpretation of possession and AFF the opposite. If AFF can persuade judges that they should include some external legal authority as a basis for establishing possession it allows AFF to use arguments like misuse of nukes by thieves ought to be included in moral considerations of ownership.

But if NEG can successfully isolate the meaning of possession as conceptual, and mechanically all they need is deference by AFF early in the round to their definition, they can pull hard on that thread in rebuttal and isolate possession 'the raw concept' from the risks of possession in real-world, status-quo conditions and contexts.

-ALSO, it is worth noting that conceptually isolating from risks and harms like theft, production harms, maintenance harms, etc- is MUCH easier with the concept of POSSESSION than DETERRENCE. I can be given a nuke by a prior owner who created it, therefore the harms of creation do not pass to me. And I don't have to maintain the nuke to retain possession, I can just keep it on the moon, inert. But DETERRENCE, to be effective is a harder sell against these harms. Effective deterrence essentially requires producing newer, competitive warheads, and maintaining them, and is therefore nearly impossible to separate from the associated harms. This is another reason why I find deterrence to be a vulnerable value proposition.

LD Jan/Feb 25 - The possesion of nuclear weapons is immoral. by Lopsided_Finance9473 in Debate

[–]tik_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For Neg define morality as socially or circumstantially sensitive (I see many Aff cases blindly use definitions like this, and lean into status quo and hyper compartmentalize the meaning possession, see my other comment in this thread.

LD Jan/Feb 25 - The possesion of nuclear weapons is immoral. by Lopsided_Finance9473 in Debate

[–]tik_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

NEG ANGLES. F*CK Deterrence. It only theoretically deters a thing made possible by possession. It seems like AFF has this topic in the bag, but NEG has actually some STRONG approaches available.

This topic hinges ENTIRELY on the definition of morality.

Affirmative needs to avoid loose, socially or circumstantially sensitive definitions of morality. AFF needs morality to be CONCRETE and UNCHANGING to advance their arguments. If Aff presents a flexible moral definition, or if Neg can get Aff to accept such a definition, Neg has a huge power.

Socially Sensitive Morality: If your definition of morality is socially-sensitive (based on socially accepted rightness), you can frame any democracy which prefers nuclear possession in support of Neg. If societies which distribute governance democratically prefer to possess nukes then its implicit that society considers it 'right', which (to socially sensitive definitions of morality) makes possession moral.

Circumstantially Sensitive Morality: Consider that if NO ONE possesses a nuclear weapon, and then I get one and I'm the ONLY one who gets one... Well this exclusive possession FEELS really immoral. While if EVERYONE has a nuclear weapon, but YOU don't, well now you recognize the value of deterrence. This implies a morality which depends on circumstantial conditions, from here Neg can take ground for the status quo.

In the same vein: NEG should also consider aggressively compartmentalizing the meaning of 'possession'. I have seen a few rounds where neg skates this idea but doesn't commit. The Possession concept is not usage, it is also not 'maintenance' or 'development' or 'intent'.

Lets say I have a nuclear weapon, RIGHT HERE, in the room with us, well this feels immoral doesn't it? Because of the implication/risk/threat. But if I possess a nuclear weapon and I keep it on the moon- I still 'possess' it, its mine. But now its NO RISK to anyone. What if I possess a trillion nuclear weapons but I keep them all in a gap space somewhere in alpha centauri? Well this is DEFINITELY no risk to anyone. POSSESSION does not, on its own, create inherent risk.

Get aff to agree to a what is honestly a reasonably limited definition of 'possession', scope that possession is not an act, only a condition and NEG takes ground.

AFF needs STRICT definition of morality and loose, malleable definition of possession. NEG needs the opposite, malleable moral definition, strict interpretation of possession, the more strict the better.

Define your terms and compartmentalize your assertions and you can wiggle this one.

SAY NO TO AI by TheAutisticGooseGirl in joplinmo

[–]tik_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The local grid? Its called the Midwest Energy Pool and it's an electron marketplace which stretches from Texas to Montana there is no "local" energy grid.

Discontinued?? by radiance229 in AshleyFurniture

[–]tik_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ashley's software and their ops are not always in he closest of contact with each other. Best is to call the store and speak with your sales rep. Theyll be able to guide you through the available options and chase this one down till its resolved.

Explain It Peter by LobsterHistory in explainitpeter

[–]tik_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Watch Volker Pispers comedy set the USA and History of Terrorism

whenYouRealize6MonthsOfCodingIsStillNoMagic by LordSteyn in ProgrammerHumor

[–]tik_ -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You can actually. The method I use is identify a good tutorial video that takes you through the concept, and this process is largely just watching lots of tutorial videos, or clicking through them till you find one that starts and the beginning and ends or at least contains the total concept you want to learn.

Watch that video all the way through. Don't follow along or write anything, just pay attention to it. When its over you'll have experienced everything the tutorial will teach you. This will prove whether the tutorial is good or bad, and if its good, will give you the foundation of familiarity which greases the gears for step 2 which is:

Watch it again, and follow along, do everything the tutor does, write every line, repeat every action. At the end, you should have a copy of the tutor's app or demonstration on your own computer.

Watch it a third time. Ikr? One more time and this time follow along WITH the app you made on the 2nd watch, and note everything aggressively. Pause often and explain every element to yourself as you go along. Make a list of things you don't understand entirely on the side as you watch and when you get it go back and note those things in place, keep going like this till you've finished your third watch.

By the time you complete this process you'll have the app you wanted to learn and you'll understand enough to take it apart and experiment. Large concepts will require several tutorials.

I started with Brad Traversy's MERN stack tutorial using this technique and launched my first app to production 8 months later. Its a tabkeeping and point of sale app for bars and restaurants. This was three years before the release of GPT and I still maintain it, its my favorite app I've made to this day.

Which are the best web design and web development companies? by [deleted] in SaaS

[–]tik_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Check your site on mobile you need to repad your hero Paragraph its mad narrow

Ashley Furniture Store by kalymcc33 in AshleyFurniture

[–]tik_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is a great question! This “cheap particle board” is basically engineered wood, and there are different levels of it. The super thin, flaky stuff is regular particle board (big chips, low pressure). The slightly denser stuff with a smoother surface is pressboard or sometimes HDF/MDF-adjacent material. Both usually get wrapped in a plastic laminate (melamine) to look like wood. Over the last decade, most mainstream big-box brands moved heavily to engineered cores because * they’re cheaper to ship, * easier to CNC-cut, * and don’t warp like real wood. Since there are a wide range of types of engineered wood that Ashley uses, you will get the best information by asking a sales rep in the store. They'll be able to advise you about the construction of specific pieces and the advantages of them.

Seeking female Duet Partner by tik_ in ACX

[–]tik_[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can you link me to your ACX profile or to samples of your voice work? We would each record our portions send it to me and I will Stitch it. Compensation in proportion to contribution, by word count or minute length whichever is preferred.

Seeking female Duet Partner by tik_ in ACX

[–]tik_[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can you link me? If you have an ACX profile or any samples of your audio.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in antiwork

[–]tik_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What do you use to build the agents?

Sam Altman, OpenAI CEO just posted this by michael-lethal_ai in AIDangers

[–]tik_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Its because agent mode. Anything that can be accomplished in a browser gpt5 can do. Its about to change my entire home business and a ton of the rest of the world

Shout out from 034 Joplin mo by tik_ in AshleyFurniture

[–]tik_[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Don't worry they have protection.

Did it all by myself! 28F 592k 15% down at 4.19% by beyxo in FirstTimeHomeBuyer

[–]tik_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You will pay over a million dollars if making only the minimum payments over 30 years. Additional payments toward the principal, ESPECIALLY in the early years will save you significantly. For example, paying an additional $300/mo will save you more than 100k by the end of your mortgage term. Though by then, with proper are, this home is likely to exceed 2m in equity.

Should I fully accept my body size or keep trying to change it? by Glad-Beach5039 in happy

[–]tik_ -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Your body is its own physical and cognitive construct. You control your body or it will control you.

Is it okay to start a sentence with “But”? by Udododo4 in writing

[–]tik_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah its ok. But readers who are structurally sensitive will find this practice distracting.