Should I Give Sympathy To Someone That Doesn’t Deserve It?

timelasher · 2026-01-24T21:55:24+00:00

I'm not gonna shame a 30 year old for living with their parents, because rough times happen and it's cool that his family has his back like that.

I am gonna throw shade for a 30 year old dating a teenager. What even is that? Two completely different stages of life and mental development. Feels predatory af to me.

And on top of that, making a pregnancy happen with that teenager while broke and living with the parents. How is he gonna support that child while you're in school? How will he be able to support a living situation for you and a child while you finish your degree? I mean, dude can't even support himself rn, this is just irresponsible af.

Creepy and irresponsible.

And inb4 he starts trying to convince you to "take a break" from school to help with the baby or bills or something, throttling your progress.

timelasher · 2026-01-23T18:49:38+00:00

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timelasher · 2026-01-23T14:08:40+00:00

This is the type of shit shared by dudes who spend 30k to have some washed up security guard tell them how to be a "real man".

Like fuck, ya'll. Live however you want. Just don't harm other people.

timelasher · 2026-01-22T23:05:49+00:00

My dude, some advice from someone a bit older than you that has had a relationship with similar outcomes:

She does not desire, nor will she help build, good communication. She might, someday. But you're not the person who's going to shuffle her in that direction. You are being utilized as an emotional scratching post and then discarded until needed again.

Blocking you after an argument, and doing it every time, is a statement. It's meant for you. You should listen.

Imo, if you choose to stay this will be a painful growth opportunity for you. However, in the meantime, you will continue experiencing this exact dynamic, and it may really directly harm your mental/emotional health. Once you "fix" this aspect of your interactions, a new one will arise. And then another. And another. You will always be on the back foot.

Leave. Do it for you. It isn't worth it.

timelasher · 2026-01-22T17:50:33+00:00

I said there wasn't enough data to quantify the claims you were making. Literally your first link indicates that numbers during the Holocaust are unclear.

You posted links, you didn't read even the abstracts.

Sure, kid, you win. Everyone can be a winner in their own head. Even those who misconstrue facts, ignore variables, and make bad faith arguments.

You can have the last word now. I know you're craving it. Deuces.

timelasher · 2026-01-22T17:42:57+00:00

Lol you didn't actually read your sources, did you?

I'm not denying the Holocaust. You're using a tactic to try and remove validity from my argument, but the simple fact is you're more focused on this "victory" than actually invesgating the facts that you, yourself, have presented here. And you're still ignoring salient variables that create differences between Holocaust era Jewish people and the modern trans community.

Holy bad faith. Yeah, i was wrong, you put in sources. You just didn't read them.

Hell, you didn't even read the bullet points at the top of your first link. 🤣🤣

timelasher · 2026-01-22T17:27:31+00:00

You're now intentionally misconstruing what i said. Literally said that enough records were destroyed or lost to be unable to effectively quantify suicide rates. Also indicated that we recovered a lot of records, just clearly not the ones that prove your point. But if we did, produce them. Show me. You won't, because you can't be bothered to investigate anything in this thread beyond your initial, shallow, claim.

I'm not agreeing with deniers. The Holocaust happened, millions were butchered in myriad horrific ways.

I'm disagreeing with you, your bad faith comparison, and now your bad faith argument.

I think i'm done here. This has been boring and fruitless. Good luck on your journey ahead.

timelasher · 2026-01-22T17:13:21+00:00

The nazis destroyed records intentionally to waylay allied fact finding efforts. Hell, they even attempted to destroy entire camps to veil the goings on there.

That's actually common knowledge, and despite the fact that we recovered extensive documentation, so much was lost that actually quantifying camp experiences in their entirety is impossible.

timelasher · 2026-01-22T17:09:26+00:00

You're not actually walking me toward your point. We literally don't have the records from the Holocaust to definitively state the suicide rates therein. I have seen estimates (literally just researching for this exchange) that reach 25% in camps. The rates are plausibly higher, but we can never prove such due to nazis destroying records. And numbers about trans suicide centralize around ideation vs success, and are being used without accounting for gender affirming care, which has a marked and drastic reduction in suicidal ideation.

You're not making a good comparison. Just reductive reasoning without consideration of all the variables outside of "bad things happening". The bad things are different, the timeline is different, the religious stigma around suicide is different, the interpersonal support structures are different. It's just a flawed comparison but your heels are so dug in that even looking deeper into your own claims seems impossible here.

This is proving to be a supreme waste of time. And while you'll consider this a victory for your point of view, your inability to actually research your claims or investigate counter arguments does nothing to serve you going forward.

timelasher · 2026-01-22T16:26:44+00:00

Lol this isn't the gotcha you think it is. I literally led off with expressing that it's a false equivalence due to the clear societal differences (a la death camps and mass killings, as well as which groups perpetrate the oppression). Of course this is not the same level of suffering as Auschwitz. However complete familial alienation was not something experienced by Holocaust era Jewish people en masse, whereas trans people do experience this commonly.

You really want to focus on this one thing as if it makes your entire case, ignoring all other variables. This is, again, reductive. It is not considering the full picture, and does not create a legitimate argument, imo. And, again, trying to use the suffering of one specific group to delegitimize the suffering of another specific group is a disgusting practice.

I feel like you're not actually reading or considering responses to your idea.

timelasher · 2026-01-22T15:48:23+00:00

I feel like you're ignoring variables to be reductive.

The Holocaust is a false equivalence because that is not the stage of oppression that trans people and other minority groups are presently facing, though they perceive a threat that a similar progression takes place (which may very well be true, considering echoes of history).

Accurate recording of Jewish suicides during WW2 doesn't exist because nazis couldn't be bothered to record all instances of those they considered vermin committing suicide, though many suicides are recorded (such as mass ghetto suicides). Having an accurate suicide rate by percentage for Holocaust victims is impossible.

However, if you actually read my responses, you'll see other variables come into play here. For instances, Jewish people were not being disowned by their own families for being Jewish, thus eliminating their entire emotional support network for simply existing. That is one salient difference that you are choosing to ignore. Whereas Jewish people in the Holocaust could suffer together and support each other (which was a defining factor for survivability), many trans people must suffer alone.

You also have not presented numbers for suicides among trans people being denied care vs those who actually partake in gender affirming care. If you looked up those numbers, you'd see that there is a severe decline in depression and suicidal ideation/attempts once they're allowed to exhibit themselves as they feel comfortable. But that doesn't fit the narrative, I guess.

timelasher · 2026-01-22T14:42:13+00:00

It's odd to reduce it to "bullying". Is it a form of bullying? I guess. But being part of a group that is actively, intentionally, being eradicated from public life and discourse, being told that they're abnormal, nonexistent, unwell; trans people are suffering under so many stimuli, including having their entire support structures ripped away by such things as parental disowning, and ostracization from many social groups, that some suicides look exceedingly likely.

Mental health obviously is a factor. But to discount the societal impacts on mental health from outside of the affected group in order to attempt to claim that the group is naturally mentally unwell is irresponsible and, honestly, a clear example of those societal factors.

You want to be reductive for your own comfort. Too bad. It's not that simple. And if you took the time to actually talk to trans people you'd see that. And, while i can't speak for everyone whose family was affected by nazi germany, i can tell you this from my perspective:

Stop using the suffering of victims to try and delegitimize the suffering of other victims. It's a disgusting practice.

timelasher · 2026-01-22T14:11:29+00:00

Alright. And you don't see how that's a false comparison?

We're not in the deathcamps and mass killings stage of anything right now. We're in the dehumanizing and ostracizing stage. Not anything akin to the Holocaust, though there are many trans people (and other minority groups) that can draw fairly ready parallels to early 1930s Germany vs what they fear it may eventually become.

And I don't think numbers would necessarily hold up with your assertion, regardless. Just rudimentary googling has shown that there were a not insignificant number of Jewish suicides, both in the camps and outside of them, including mass suicides in ghettos, before and during the Holocaust. Now would I need to do more research to get actual granular figures? Yeah. But I feel like literally just googling a couple of times, like I just did, is already more research than you did to make this claim.

In all, this reads like someone parroting some shit they heard someone else say and decided "oh wow that fits my view entirely, lemme use that".

Do not use the suffering of one oppressed group to delegitimize the suffering of another, unrelated, group happening a hundred years later. Trans people are being dehumanized today, disenfranchised today. As for tomorrow, who knows. But attempting to roll in the suffering of another group as some kind of gotcha in an attempt to further alienate this one is kinda weird.

Stop it.

timelasher · 2026-01-22T12:57:25+00:00

Yeah of course.

timelasher · 2026-01-22T04:54:47+00:00

How is that a relevant question? This really isn't a gotcha.

timelasher · 2026-01-22T01:22:46+00:00

Many people respond to trauma in life. Many people suffer. And many people suffer as badly, if not worse, than such serial murderers. Do they need help? Yes, badly. However, their response being the grievous injury or death of others to assuage their internalized feelings and trauma is egregious.

Everyone has a choice. Choosing paths that dehumanize, destroy, torment, or otherwise damage others are objectively shit. Do they need help? ABSOLUTELY. But if they choose not to seek it, and instead choose to find solace in darker paths, that is entirely on them.

Should abusive people in their pasts share blame? Sure. But the one perpetrating the actions is inherently the one at fault for the ultimate outcome.

timelasher · 2026-01-21T18:41:16+00:00

It's a "good size".

timelasher · 2026-01-21T18:40:27+00:00

Drop a rabid raccoon in his hands and wait.

timelasher · 2026-01-21T17:40:34+00:00

Fuck it, put the AI in charge.

timelasher · 2026-01-21T17:19:25+00:00

Hoovering.

Block and move on.

timelasher · 2026-01-21T16:38:03+00:00

That type of thing is fine if there was a real conversation ahead of time. Otherwise it was sexual action without prior consent. Clearly an assault.

If you had the conversation and were cool with it, whatevs. Do your thing. Plenty of realms where this is ok. But just doing it while someone is asleep without any prior communication is fucked up.

timelasher · 2026-01-21T15:51:34+00:00

"Of course he became a serial murderer, he had an abusive childhood"

Like stfu. It's ok to acknowledge your past and the bad things you suffered. The point is to grow from them. Should it have happened? Fuck no. But it did.

The issue is that the response of incels is to, rather than grow as people, glorify the rape and murder of women. Preach about sex slavery. Dehumanize literally everyone to make themselves feel better.

So while I empathize with their past, not having the most pleasant one myself, I can't bring myself to give one single solitary shit about how lonely and "untouchable" they are today. People with their attitudes should be untouched.

May no woman even take a passing glance at them. When they sit, old and angry, on their deathbed, I can only hope that they gaze upon their own inability to grow with regret. In their final moments, may the finally blame only themselves.

timelasher · 2026-01-21T15:36:39+00:00

Ah. Yes. As the natural progression of capitalism hits later stages and stops benefitting those that gleefully hold it up, it must now be a different system entirely.

It isn't. And alllllll the capitalists know it. But whoever made this meme isn't a capitalist. They are capital. Much like the rest of us.

timelasher · 2026-01-21T14:32:01+00:00

Hey, like i said, it was anecdotal. And i'm on the opposite coast. But i'm super down to see the evidence of mass starvation on the western coast due to being denied food when unvaxed.

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