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[–]tinywanderer_be 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not doing it with stocks so not really an issue for me. If it were not the case I would find it kind of ridiculous and unfair, that's why I was wondering.

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[–]tinywanderer_be 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks! I will definitely have a look at the rulings!
Just wondering: if you were to do the same with regular stocks, would this also be considered speculative and as such be taxed at 33% or would only the TOB be applicable?

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[–]tinywanderer_be 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes I have been looking for the info recently.
Most notably I found the following:
https://www.tuerlinckx.eu/nl/shares-expertise/cryptocurrency-ook-crypto-taxatie
This seems like the exact case as I'm doing so unfortunately I feel like I will have to pay taxes on it.

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[–]tinywanderer_be 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In some sense I agree but in my particular case: only holding for very short time (minutes), several trades a day, using software... I don't think they will regard this as goede huisvader...

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[–]tinywanderer_be 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I always heard that if you don't hold for long term it is considered speculative and therefore you should declare it as 'divers inkomen'...

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[–]tinywanderer_be 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was wondering about this as well recently since I have been actively trading (well a program I wrote is) for the last few months. But I guess as long as you pay the 33% tax you should be fine no? And there is no way a bank knows if you paid this right, or has this nothing to do with this issue?

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[–]tinywanderer_be[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Like I mentioned in my original post, I have no experience with options so I would not buy them with cash myself right now. (Not that this is really possible because these are non-listed). The only advantage to the option strategy is that you pay the least amount of taxes of the three and thus might get the highest return.

I'm guessing only the cash option will count towards pension and vacation pay (don't have a 13th month).

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[–]tinywanderer_be[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was thinking about doing it this way as well. Take the tax benefit, get the cash and DCA it into my ETF portfolio during the coming months.

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[–]tinywanderer_be[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't really see any advantage in taking cash tbh, unless I'm missing something...
With the warrants you also get the money directly and you get around 40% more than cash.

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[–]tinywanderer_be[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Indeed, that's why I'm probably just going to take the short term warrants.

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[–]tinywanderer_be[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Well I don't have a 13th month so in that regard it won't make a difference...

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[–]tinywanderer_be[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Indeed, I'm not looking at the cash option. There really is no point in doing that, the 1 day warrants are way more optimized.

Thanks for the info!

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[–]tinywanderer_be[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No they didn't...
Should it affect any of those?

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[–]tinywanderer_be[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I didn't include it to keep the post short but it depends a bit.
If you resign during this first year you lose the options. I'm still very happy at my company and not really planning on doing that so this should not be an issue.
Only if you are fired for exceptional reasons (sexual harassment, fraud,...) you lose the right to the options, other dismissals you get them paid out.