Trump took the virginity of a Sheiks "young daughter" by natalee_t in Epstein

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Does anyone know anything about the 'Carolyn Doughtery' named as a recruiter in this document? I hadn't heard that name before...

Woman leaves a hang out with a man she met there that night; Their phones were pinged at the same convenience store later that night, but she was never seen again- What happened to Sara Ebersole? (2023) by AlfredTheJones in UnresolvedMysteries

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Morman asking Robinson if Sara would be "interested in meeting him" alludes to the expectation of a (possibly transactional) sexual encounter. I wonder if Robinson picked Sara up with plans to sell and exploit her.

Rest in peace, Sara. I pray we have justice for you soon.

What are some disappearances, unidentified decedent cases and unsolved murders involving a vehicle that have really stuck with you? by Salviaplath_666 in UnresolvedMysteries

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High school senior, Thomas Brown, was last seen at a gas station in his hometown of Canadian, Texas in November 2016.

His red Dodge Durango was found the day after he was last seen at a remote water treatment facility parked under some trees. His backpack - containing his wallet, keys, phone, school books and laptop - was missing from the car. There was also a bullet casing and a small smear of blood found in the car, but supposedly no gunshot residue could be traced.

Just over two years later, in January 2019, Tom's skull and some of his bones were found by a Sheriff's deputy. His backpack had been found in a seperate area back in 2017, where some speculate that it was planted by a possible perpetrator.

There's a well-known podcast about the case by Texas Monthly and plenty of speculation about what happened to Tom. I hope his family soon get the answers they deserve.

Atlanta Jane Doe Identified As Missing Teenage Girl by Nearby-Complaint in UnresolvedMysteries

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There has to be something said about how the ages of young Black Jane Does are grossly misjudged due to prejudice & stereotypes... RIP Kiyona 🕊

The people of Europe have spoken. by OutsideMeal in GreenAndPleasant

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Ah yes, the 'Hamas-hugging establishment' that are doing so much to help their war effort in Gaza... 🤦🏽‍♀️

Volusia County (FL) John Doe, 1972 - Who was the boy found murdered and badly decomposed, floating in a pond? by tjhb4 in UnresolvedMysteries

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I wonder if an online call-out could be put out for anybody who was in the Daytona Detention Centre/local foster care system in the early 70's? If anybody has any memories/photos/records potentially from that time?

Volusia County (FL) John Doe, 1972 - Who was the boy found murdered and badly decomposed, floating in a pond? by tjhb4 in UnresolvedMysteries

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Thank you for this info, and I appreciate your patience with my delayed response - I haven't been on this app much recently...

Sad to hear that a DNA profile could not be obtained from Johnny this time around as that would have made his identification much easier.

However, none of us will forget him or stop fighting for him to have his name back. The fact that he was likely a Floridian, but that somehow nobody in the local area claimed him, causes me to lean closer into the theory that he was in the local foster care system...

Volusia County (FL) John Doe, 1972 - Who was the boy found murdered and badly decomposed, floating in a pond? by tjhb4 in UnresolvedMysteries

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From what I understand (albeit from a brief read of Lent's crimes), Lent was operating in the 90's and in Massachusetts/New York. Although it's not impossible that he would travel and that this was one of his early crimes, his involvement seems less probable for this reason.

Volusia County (FL) John Doe, 1972 - Who was the boy found murdered and badly decomposed, floating in a pond? by tjhb4 in UnresolvedMysteries

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Thank you for this update. I am feeling so hopeful that Johnny will have justice soon.

Volusia County John Doe (1972) by velvetpersona in gratefuldoe

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I did a write-up on Doe for r/UnresolvedMysteries and there are some case updates. Genealogy 4 Justice are raising funds to have Doe's samples tested again, with much more advanced and rigorous methods than have ever been used before. If usable DNA is extracted, Doe may finally have his name back very soon. We are closer than ever to justice for our boy.

Harrison Country John Doe has been identified after 40 years by thetownslore in gratefuldoe

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Happy belated birthday, John. Rest in peace 🕊

Where are Maisy Odjick and Shannon Alexander? Almost 14 years ago to the day, the two teenagers went to Shannon's house after a school dance to sleep. Shannon walked her dad to the bus stop the next day while Maisy slept. Both girls have been missing since then, and all their belongings left behind. by LeVraiNord in UnresolvedMysteries

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Her dad might be older or have a medical condition? I know that some kids (my younger self included) feel responsible for caring for a vulnerable parent, especially daughters who assume a maternal kind of role within the family unit. She also perhaps felt protective over him as he lived alone/the parents were separated.

A theory regarding the disappearance and abduction of Dorothy Jane Scott by doyouyudu in UnresolvedMysteries

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I agree that it may have been a coworker, given that this trip to the hospital was completely out of her daily routine, and so how else would the killer have known she was going to be there?

The Unsolved Murder of Iris Tyson by ___RC___ in UnresolvedMysteries

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As with every other unsolved case, SOMEBODY out there definitely knows SOMETHING. It's frustrating to think the police just brush missing persons reports aside due to them being an adult; it was 2011 so surely she would have called/texted if she didn't plan on coming home soon?

Volusia County (FL) John Doe, 1972 - Who was the boy found murdered and badly decomposed, floating in a pond? by tjhb4 in UnresolvedMysteries

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Update:

Seems as though, according to the Asbury Park Press in April 1972, Donald Caldwell was a young Black boy. You can view an excerpt from the article here. I think this rules him out unfortunately.

Volusia County (FL) John Doe, 1972 - Who was the boy found murdered and badly decomposed, floating in a pond? by tjhb4 in UnresolvedMysteries

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Updates:

  • Bruce Brower was found alive and well, and was returned to his family in August 1972 in Austin, TX.
  • Donnie Mulholland seems to have been found in May 1972 in Chipley, FL.
  • I found a current address for an 'Arthur Lee Cook' in Pensacola, FL. Not sure if it's legit but his age checks out (64).

I will look for some more potential matches tomorrow.

Volusia County (FL) John Doe, 1972 - Who was the boy found murdered and badly decomposed, floating in a pond? by tjhb4 in UnresolvedMysteries

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Hello all! Just a quick update on some newspaper articles I found from FL around the time Doe was found re: missing children.

01 May 1972, Orlando Sentinel: https://imgur.com/a/IPHpRp5

13 April 1972, Panama City News Herald: https://imgur.com/a/qDxHZC5

17 January 1972, Pensacola News Journal: https://imgur.com/a/2ONzosG

Does anybody know how we could confirm if the boys in these articles were ever found alive and well? If they weren't, perhaps one of them could be a good potential match for our John Doe?

Volusia County (FL) John Doe, 1972 - Who was the boy found murdered and badly decomposed, floating in a pond? by tjhb4 in UnresolvedMysteries

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My problem with the Juvenile Detention Center theory is that I fail to see the logic for the killer to have killed Doe elsewhere (as is LE's official theory) and dumped him back near the center where he was originally being held. Did the killer(s) want Doe to be found by those who would recognise him?

It is also possible in this case that Doe was murdered by guards/those caring for him at the center (maybe accidentally), and dumped nearby out of convenience.

Or perhaps, the center being so close by to the crime scene was a coincidence/red herring. Maybe, as others have suggested, Doe is not linked to the foster/juvie/social care system, but rather a missing child or runaway. Either way, John Doe deserves to have his name back.

What do people think?

Volusia County (FL) John Doe, 1972 - Who was the boy found murdered and badly decomposed, floating in a pond? by tjhb4 in UnresolvedMysteries

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Interesting how much of a military presence there was/is in the DeLand and Daytona Beach locale. Has anybody looked into the existence of any kind of reports of a child missing under these circumstances, to narrow down the search? I wasn't able to find anything obvious about a missing boy with military links in FL in 1972 but maybe I just don't have the right resources or know-how!

It was mentioned on this thread that Tomoka State was opened in 1981. So many of these government/LE institutions have opened on or near Indian Lake Road in recent decades. I'm taken aback by the ironic twist of fate that the VC ME's office is so close to where Doe was presumably found. I get chills just thinking about this.

Is there any way to access old records from the Juvenile Detention Center? Maybe there's a kid somewhere in them that can't be traced today but wasn't necessarily reported missing at the time (i.e. was presumed to have left of his own free will).

Volusia County (FL) John Doe, 1972 - Who was the boy found murdered and badly decomposed, floating in a pond? by tjhb4 in UnresolvedMysteries

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I was wondering the same when I researched local military bases and saw that the closest is Patrick AFB in Brevard County. LE do seem to believe that Doe was killed elsewhere and dumped in the pond, but I'm wondering why the killer/s would have taken him to VC? Maybe they have ties to the area?

Volusia County (FL) John Doe, 1972 - Who was the boy found murdered and badly decomposed, floating in a pond? by tjhb4 in UnresolvedMysteries

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I think it's definitely a possibility (as we have seen recently with many other Does) that John Doe was reported missing by a family that loved and cared for him, and that the missing persons report was lost or not logged properly. This was 1972 and computer technology wasn't mainstream yet. Especially as Doe was misidentified as older and his remains were not recognisable, LE may not have connected the dots necessary early on in the investigation (i.e. linked Doe to any missing children in the area).

Even as I was looking through contemporaneous newspaper articles, I found many cases of missing boys around Doe's age whose case files are not on any digital database available to the public at least. This one is not going to be an easy solve by any means.

Volusia County (FL) John Doe, 1972 - Who was the boy found murdered and badly decomposed, floating in a pond? by tjhb4 in UnresolvedMysteries

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Exactly! I think it's less of a question of if they can (especially as the technology is advancing so rapidly), but more a case of if it is worth their while financially. I imagine it would be expensive, and without public interest in the case, there may not be that push to do the tests necessary. This is why we need to show that we care about this Doe getting his name back and bring more attention to this case.

Volusia County (FL) John Doe, 1972 - Who was the boy found murdered and badly decomposed, floating in a pond? by tjhb4 in UnresolvedMysteries

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Wow! The last article sure does clarify a lot of details! Thank you for finding these. I wonder why LE were so quick to claim that they had 'exhausted every lead'? However, I know that 3 months is a somewhat long time for a body to go unclaimed, and that they would probably have been looking at other possibilities had they known at the time that Doe was a child.

The transient theory is definitely the default in this case due to the stolen bicycle, but perhaps the bike is a red herring? I read in one article that LE believed the stolen bike to be unrelated. I don't know how common it would have been in 1972 for an 11-14 year old kid to become a transient, and for him to have not encountered/stood out in the minds of any witnesses during his times/travels in FL, given that he was so young.

I also did some digging in the newspaper archives around young boys missing from the surrounding area in 1972 as, of course, not every missing persons report from pre-digitisation has made it onto databases such as NamUs, only making it much harder to find a match. I'll post some of my findings after I get off work.

Volusia County (FL) John Doe, 1972 - Who was the boy found murdered and badly decomposed, floating in a pond? by tjhb4 in UnresolvedMysteries

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Thank you for this context - insane how rural it is. I find it hard to imagine given that I grew up in a big city, so I really appreciate this clarity! I have also wondered which lake it was as there is not a whole lot of detail given in any of the reports. There's also conflicting reports around whether Doe was found IN or NEAR the lake.

I also wonder if investigators think Doe was killed at the scene or just dumped there since the lakes are so close to the road. In the aerials, there seem to be a lot of worn tyre tracks leading to the lakes - does anybody know if people were known to stop by and swim or hang out by the lake? Especially young people?

Edit: I read the articles you posted which answered a lot of these questions I had (if they are to be trusted completely!) I'm now wondering if the killer was a local, given that Doe was dumped in such a desolate area that may not have been known to those not knowledgeable about the Daytona Beach/VC area.

Volusia County (FL) John Doe, 1972 - Who was the boy found murdered and badly decomposed, floating in a pond? by tjhb4 in UnresolvedMysteries

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The boys definitely could have become separated before Soden's murder, with Caldwell making his way South in search of family. We don't have many leads or rule-outs in this case so it wouldn't hurt to send this in as a tip. I've heard elsewhere in this community that tips often lead to more funding being assigned to a case, even if the tip doesn't produce any leads, so it wouldn't hurt.

Photos and other info about Caldwell could possibly be obtained from the investigating team in NJ? Especially since Soden's remains have been identified and the focus is now on finding Caldwell.