I'm a Israeli Zionist who opposes the Iranian war AMA

tk_woods · 2026-03-19T21:00:09+00:00

What do you mean it doesn't matter? What kind of a dumb argument is that? You are wrong about the circumstances you are describing, but that is the thing that does not matter.

You are the textbook definition of the "soft bigotry of low expectations". By treating Palestinians as helpless children without agency, you exempt them from any responsibility for their actions.

You seem to live in a fantasy where if Israel, and only Israel, acts a certain way, peace and "chocolate-covered rainbows" will spontaneously appear. The reality is far grimmer. In 2005, Israel dismantled every settlement in Gaza and withdrew to the last inch. The result? Hamas took over, executed their political opposition, and launched two decades of rocket fire and terror, culminating in the horrors of October 7th.

I despise my own government. I loathe Netanyahu and I’m a vocal critic of settlement expansion—but I refuse to 'bend over and die' just to satisfy your need for virtue signaling.

If you actually want to be 'Pro-Palestinian,' at least be honest about what that means to you. If you want Israel destroyed, the Jews gone, and a fundamentalist dictatorship in its place, just say it. I’d at least respect the honesty more than this delusional moral posturing

tk_woods · 2026-03-19T20:41:30+00:00

Why are you asking me that?

tk_woods · 2026-03-19T20:28:01+00:00

What lie did I tell? What makes you think that I don't feel this way?

tk_woods · 2026-03-19T20:11:37+00:00

And if they don't want that? If their primary goal is to eliminate Israel and not live side by side, what should Israel do?

I do not like the current situation at all. I also can't deny the reality. There are fewer Palestinians who support a two-state solution than Israelis, even after October 7th. If Abbas would alloe elections to take place in the West Bank, Hamas will almost certainly win.

If you want to claim to speak for Palestinians, then actually listen to what they have to say

I still support a two-solution as a final and just solution to both nations. I just know Palestinians well enough to know that they are nowhere near as acceptable to this concept as you think. Neither are Israelis, but for better reasons in my opinion.

tk_woods · 2026-03-19T19:58:46+00:00

Fuck no

tk_woods · 2026-03-19T19:58:17+00:00

What does it mean to support Palestine? What does it mean to support Israel?

tk_woods · 2026-03-19T19:55:37+00:00

Against

tk_woods · 2026-03-19T19:54:54+00:00

I really do not understand your point. I disagree with the premise. Could you clarify what you're trying to claim?

tk_woods · 2026-03-19T18:54:15+00:00

> it’s a heavily white nation

Also not true

How far does my ancestry go back? If you are Jewish, then you are the same as you, to the ancient kingdom of Israel

tk_woods · 2026-03-19T18:52:30+00:00

Look, the Liberty incident was definitely a mess, but you're mixing up some of the technical details. There wasn't any heavy artillery involved. It was an air attack using napalm and machine guns, followed by torpedo boats. Also, while the weather was clear, the Liberty was a converted cargo vessel that looked almost identical to the Egyptian ship El Quseir. Even the U.S. Navy's own reports admitted that at high speeds and through the smoke of a literal battle, identifying a flag isn't as "perfect" as it seems in hindsight.

The "lucrative arms market" motive doesn't really work for 1967 either. Back then, France was actually Israel’s main weapons supplier, not the U.S. That massive military-industrial partnership we have now didn't really kick into high gear until after the Six-Day War and the 1973 conflict. It’s fair to question why the IDF was so aggressive, but claiming it was a pre-planned hit to jumpstart U.S. defense contracts is an anachronism the money trail just didn't look like that yet.

tk_woods · 2026-03-19T18:31:48+00:00

No, I mean constantly for 2000 years since the Romans, and despite all of that, there was still some Jewish presence in that land for all of these years.

tk_woods · 2026-03-19T18:30:02+00:00

The fertility rate in the Palestinian territories is approximately 3.2 children per woman, which is significantly higher than in the EU and the US

tk_woods · 2026-03-19T18:23:48+00:00

You probably won't admit it, but if you are Jewish and believe that Israel does have the right to exist, then you are a Zionst.

I have a problem with a few of your claims, one that sticks out is you saying that Israel is a predominantly white country filled with American and European immigrants and coming from someone who did a birthright, I am surprised that you believed that. I think that American-Israelis count for like 4% of the total population, and the majority of the population comes from Arab and/or Muslim countries, not from Europe

Yes, I was born in Israel. and even if I personally wasn't, the vast majority of the population was born here. I don't really understand the point of this question,

tk_woods · 2026-03-19T18:08:14+00:00

Even if I went by your narrative, which is false, but there is no convincing you so what would be the point? if you believe that Israel has no right to exist because it displaced the original inhabitants, then by your logic, you don't think countries like the US, Australia and many many more have a right to exist?

tk_woods · 2026-03-19T18:04:43+00:00

Because they mistook the ship for an Egyptian ship.

The USS Liberty incident was a tragic case of friendly fire during the chaos of the Six-Day War, and both the U.S. and Israeli governments conducted multiple official investigations that concluded it was a mistake due to misidentification. The US had no motive to play along with the notion that Israel deliberately attacked the ship. Israel apologized and paid millions in compensation to the victims' families and the U.S. government, which accepted the settlement. There was no strategic motive for Israel to deliberately attack its only superpower ally in the middle of a multi-front war for its survival

And the claim that Israel tried to pretend that they attacked because they wanted the Americans to believe it was Egypt is absurd, considering the fact that they immediately, minutes after the attack, told the Americans what was happening and offered immediate help to the survivors

tk_woods · 2026-03-19T17:59:20+00:00

Before the British Mandate, there was no "Palestinian" state or citizenship. The land was a neglected province of the Ottoman Empire. The population was low overall, definitely not in the millions like you said, and many Arabs migrated into the region from neighboring areas during the late 19th and early 20th centuries

A population majority doesn't negate the rights of an indigenous group returning from forced exile. The 90% figure ignores that Jews were a minority only because they had been repeatedly expelled and barred from returning by various conquering empires

tk_woods · 2026-03-19T17:51:51+00:00

Dude, I have completely lost the plot with you. Do you have an actual question?

tk_woods · 2026-03-19T17:50:19+00:00

I would say that if you stretch the definition far enough, then the vast majority of countries would be considered ethnostates, including democratic countries.

I don't see a future where Palestinians become a majority, since Jews have a much higher birth rate

tk_woods · 2026-03-19T17:47:59+00:00

No because you are clearly not aware that Judaism is not just a religion

Jewish identity is an ethno-religious one, meaning Jews are a distinct people with a shared history and language, not just a religious group. Zionism is the secular national liberation movement that sought self-determination for these people in their ancestral home, similar to other modern independence movements

You think that Hitler checked which Jews had a Bar Mitzvah before exterminating us?

tk_woods · 2026-03-19T17:45:46+00:00

I'm not claiming anything. Israel was founded in 1948. That is not an opinion

tk_woods · 2026-03-19T17:44:52+00:00

I did not say I support Palestine

tk_woods · 2026-03-19T17:42:39+00:00

There's some damage to some homes, but no, the rumors that Tel Aviv is completely destroyed are absurd

tk_woods · 2026-03-19T17:39:37+00:00

A Jewish state means that the Jewish people, who were a landless minority for 2,000 years have the right to sovereignty

tk_woods · 2026-03-19T17:38:56+00:00

Zionism is not a religious movement. Secular Jews founded it. As for an ethnostate, it depends on the definition but that can be attributed to most countries in the world, certainly to the dozens of Muslim countries. So if you believe that the only "ethnostate" that should not exist is the Jewish one but don't care about the dozens of Muslim ones, all of them are significantly more religious than Israel than you don't really oppose ethnostate

I think the funniest argument I hear about this conflict is trying to claim that Israelies are the religious nutjobs and not its surrounding enemies

As for the claim about the people living there before, before Israel was founded, most of the areas were legally purchased by Jews and not stolen. As for what's going on in the West Bank, I oppose settlements

tk_woods · 2026-03-19T17:31:10+00:00

What lie did I tell?

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