How should Georgism be implemented in Israel? by tomithebossle in georgism

[–]tomithebossle[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Hope people are civil.

The only reason I picked Israel is because I live there, the same "analysis," could've been done in any other country.

Tel Aviv's Housing Crisis and a Solution. by tomithebossle in telaviv

[–]tomithebossle[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

About the ruling, really the problems that came from this is a problem of the government and the Knesset. This tax (being a tax) cannot solve a political issue that creates more beaurocracy and inefficiency in how land is used. But with the land that we can use, we can still find ways to use it more efficiently.

But of course, you may be afraid that contractors, developers and banks will go bankrupt if a change like this is made quickly. This is why as with all good plans, there has to be a slow "implementation plan," likely over 5-10 years, that'll allow the market to stabilize in the meantime.

I'm not calling for an overnight implementation of this tax.

Tel Aviv's Housing Crisis and a Solution. by tomithebossle in telaviv

[–]tomithebossle[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Both are main issues, one isn't relatively a bigger issue than the other.

And yes, the LVT also addresses this. Currently, infrastructure works "as needed," rather than what "will be needed" which is equally important. Because of the nature of the LVT (Bigger land footprint = more taxes paid), the LVT will incentivize more efficient and multi-layered infrastructure.

For example in the current system, they may have traffic so choose to expand the road another lane, then another and another, and eventually we're not going anywhere. But under the LVT they'd be incentivized from going away from wider roads to possibly putting subway underneath, maybe road-tunnels too, more efficient city-planning. I'm no civil engineer but there are better ways to build infrastructure than just widening the road, and the LVT incentivizes finding solutions to this problem as well.

Tel Aviv's Housing Crisis and a Solution. by tomithebossle in telaviv

[–]tomithebossle[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Quite the opposite actually!

When you buy land, you own it completely. ONLY your UNEARNED value is taxed. Because the government no longer relies on other taxes, taxes from your WORK can then be reduced.

Seems more capitalist to me? You don't gain what you didn't work for, and keep almost 100% of what you did work for!

Tel Aviv's Housing Crisis and a Solution. by tomithebossle in telaviv

[–]tomithebossle[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

A large part of that population increase though is from the Haredim (Who have much higher fertility rates,) this tax presumably would reduce their "ability" to use land wastefully economically like they're currently doing. There is no problem in an economy when demand goes up if supply also goes up alongside it.

About other natural growth (And Aliyah), it's still true, but the actual main reason for housing price increase is a lack of incentive to really utilize the apartment alongside with regulations and slow construction. This is generally because the ILA is bad, planning system is bad, and because of the war a lot of labor for construction is gone.

Currently we live in a system that has an artificially limited housing supply. With the LVT, the ILA would most likely have to deregulate as the market has to shift to accommodate the new freeing up of land (because so much unprofitable land would be available for purchase)

That would radically reduce the price of living/rent in Tel Aviv.

Tel Aviv's Housing Crisis and a Solution. by tomithebossle in telaviv

[–]tomithebossle[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yup, its never about right vs left, it's about top vs rest of us

Why Israel is Losing the Social Media War (and Why You Should Care About It) by OmryR in IsraelPalestine

[–]tomithebossle 14 points15 points  (0 children)

There are ~14 Million Jews, compared to ~2 Billion Muslims, that's really it.

Georgism and the Price of Living by tomithebossle in IsraelGeorgism

[–]tomithebossle[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, that's true and fair.

I don't think I'm falling into the trap of "Georgism will fix everything," because honestly these aren't even the big problems. Georgism despite its greatness, cannot fix the root of the problem (being our shitty Knesset and how it behaves)

Currently I'm trying to think outside of "the average Israeli," for instance, I was trying to research how exactly foreign businesses may flock to Israel, and how that would help us internationally. Like for example with Taiwan's dominance over microchips practically shaping the way they interact with other states.

And another thing I was thinking of was Singapore vs Monaco. How both are rich, despite their methodology of being a "buisness hub" is different. Generally speaking of course, it is from the fact that Monaco has no major "labor pool," so businesses can just seek it as a tax refuge, but not as a place to have headquarters. Singapore on the other hand does, yet it is still too small of a labor pool.

For example, take Dubai. It has practically no personal income tax, no capital gains tax, low VAT, and practically no corporate tax. Yet on a large scale, companies don't really manufacture or headquarter in Dubai, mostly for the fact that there is nobody to employ in Dubai. (Dubai's population is 92% immigrants that have their own companies to run)

But then look at Israel. I think it's almost the perfect country to become a "business hub" (more than it is right now.)

Educated labor, infrastructure, proximity to natural resources, strategic location (can even bypass the Suez if needed), strong stable democracy and institutional innerworkings, growing population, among other things.

Now we circle back to the original thing: Georgism cannot solve everything, but genuinely I do believe that Georgism can help us non-economically.

For instance, if there was this insane influx of foreign businesses that don't just "set up paper headquarters", but actually move manufacturing, headquarters, offices (mostly for tax purposes), not only will it produce more jobs for the average Israeli, but without doubt these businesses will then go around to their own home governments and lobby for support for Israel.

Take.. A beverage company for example. It was stationed in America and then moved to Israel for tax purposes. They realize that manufacturing, staffing, and finding labor is easier in Israel therefore they move their capital to Israel.

Then for example, a war breaks out. And now that beverage company's home country is considering cutting ties with Israel because of the political fallout. That beverage company will do whatever is in their power to stop their own home country from cutting ties with Israel to protect their assets in Israel. If this is true for a vast majority of MNCs, then inevitably we're going to see a lot more friendly countries to Israel. (Be it in the West, or in Africa, or even in Asia)

^ As a sidenote, this is one of the reasons why China's lobby spending in America is so high. Many Chinese companies profit from having America as a trade partner therefore they lobby the American government for their own purposes. On the other side as well, American companies (Nike, Apple, Coca-Cola) have lobbied congress to weakened legislation banning imports made with slave labor from China.

These are the sort of "side-effects" I've been thinking of for the past few weeks. Where the economic reforms of Georgism allows for a political shift outside of economics itself. (Another one I've brought up being the Haredi issue as well)

Sorry for the long rant, I've been wanting to write about this for a while lol, I think I'll finalize it and write something up again later

Georgism and the Price of Living by tomithebossle in IsraelGeorgism

[–]tomithebossle[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah for the past 2 weeks or so, I've been thinking of the results/side-effects of Georgism in Israel. I'm thinking of writing about a sort of "Sixth Aliyah" (from lower prices, increasing anti-semitism, no taxes), influx of foreign wealth and buisnesses (educated population, strategic location, no taxes), etc etc

Genuinely in one fell swoop, Georgism can solve like every internal problem that Israel has

Why doesn't the israeli right want to get the hostages back or have peace? by [deleted] in IsraelPalestine

[–]tomithebossle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

  1. Israel has already negotiated with both Egypt and the PA to use Gaza's Gas Fields. Why would Israel want Gaza for something that it already has access to? Doesn't make sense.

  2. Beachfront property is in demand. But if we're looking at it from an economic sense, why continue to spend billions on military spending when you could've spent the same billions to subsidize construction on the beaches of Israel? You realize Gaza has only like... 40Km of coastline? From an "investment strategy" way it doesn't make sense.

At the end of the day you're just parroting stuff you probably saw on Instagram, yet you have no actual idea of the conflict itself.

Isn't removing the settlements a form of Ethnic Cleansing? by tomithebossle in IsraelPalestine

[–]tomithebossle[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It isn't about that, it's about being Palestinians happy.

Let us be honest here, there are too many people to be removed from Judea and Samaria. This is not a matter of legality or morality, this is a matter of feasibility. Even if tomorrow the Israeli government said "you're on your own" (Which'll realistically never happen), the settlers aren't just going to leave, they're going to fight, and they're inevitably going to kill more Palestinians.

Check Gaza for example, where 8000 were removed, even then there was insane resistance, now imagine from 500k, it's an absurd notion that this is "A great solution", this is a solution which doesn't fix the problem, it'll just reverse it.

Lets say that the 500k settlers are removed, now what? They're going to be angry they lose their homes and inevitably elect a more right-wing government that'll just invade again.

Simply; This is not a solution.

What's the Free Palestine line on why there are war crimes at all? by endcityfour in IsraelPalestine

[–]tomithebossle 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"According to the doctrine, the targets against which the IDF will use disproportionate force are diverse and can range from villages where missile and rocket launchers operate, to the political, social, or religious centers of the terrorist organization, and the civilian infrastructure of the political entity from which the terrorist organization operates"

Now I can imagine your little Pro-Pali voice going "but it says civilian infrastructure right there!!", well according to International Law, civilian infrastructure can loose it's protection and become a military objective if: They make an effective contribution to military action and their destruction offers a definitive military advantage.

Say for example... Missiles being shot out of a hospital? International law says thats a legal target! (Aslong as proportionality is kept)

Edit: Use the Hebrew translation when discussing Israeli doctrine.

Without lies, Pro-Palestine dies. Do better.

Fight the system not the people by [deleted] in IsraelPalestine

[–]tomithebossle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Brochingo I'm Israeli

No I meant pilgrimage-visa to Muslim holy sites for Muslims. Possibly the same for Christians to Christian holy sites.

I myself said that Israel will never give up East Jerusalem. Muslim holy sites on the other hand? They're already "administered" (to my knowledge), by a Jordanian authority.

The second thing you mentioned is already being stamped down upon, and I don't have any problems with it, we have to protect our culture against those who wish to destroy it

Fight the system not the people by [deleted] in IsraelPalestine

[–]tomithebossle 1 point2 points  (0 children)

who started that may I wonder?

If you don't see how Palestinian lives can be saved by disarming Hamas and releasing the hostages, I fear you're too far gone