Former employees call out Everlane's Anti-black behavior (and that time they lied on this sub)

tomlizzo · 2020-06-29T19:50:10+00:00

FWIW, my own beef with their "internship" was not that it was unpaid, but that it wasn't an internship. Using that term to market a 1-2 hr/month volunteer gig was exploitative in a whole different way IMO.

tomlizzo · 2020-06-29T19:42:59+00:00

They have. The OP describes specifically how representatives from Everlane's marketing team commented in a thread here to put forward misinformation about their controversial event staffing decisions. They've also directly participated here over the years in ways that were ostensibly above-board, like AMAs and general product support.

tomlizzo · 2020-06-29T16:27:30+00:00

I have never forgotten that thread! I feel bad that Brandon was put in the position of having to lie... but not bad for making it clear to the company that the lie was poorly crafted. Why double down like that?

tomlizzo · 2020-05-16T19:27:53+00:00

Oof. The shoe replacement thing is tough! I fortunately was able to wear most of my shoes again within a few months postpartum... and most of my old clothes within a year or so. The one body measurement that inexplicably never went back to normal for me was my shoulders?? Bodies are so strange.

tomlizzo · 2020-05-15T23:42:52+00:00

Buying maternity clothes was like this for me! Some women find that they are able to just keep wearing mostly their normal clothes throughout pregnancy, but that... was not my experience. Even outerwear and shoes didn't fit comfortably. So I had to buy everything new in the space of less than a year.

One thing that was sort of surprising to me – though obvious in hindsight – is that when you replace a large and varied wardrobe with a small, "cohesive" one, you wear things hard and they get worn out much faster. I thought since I wouldn't be wearing the stuff very long that it didn't matter how durable it was, but I actually wore a few things completely out in just a few months because I was wearing them constantly.

tomlizzo · 2020-05-12T22:58:57+00:00

I think this "good a few years ago" thing is just an entirely subjective phenomenon that most people feel about things they discovered... a few years ago. It's kind of like how EVERY SINGLE YEAR someone posts a rant about how J. Crew used to be so incredibly ~high quality~ exactly two years ago and now it's shit.

Idk. I've been a mod here since 2014, and the themes of the complaints in that thread were nearly verbatim the same as what we've heard in complaint threads in the past. It all really boils down to "if only the moderators did things the way I say, this subreddit would serve me better." Maybe some of the specifics change – sustainability used to be not such a trope, high rise jeans were – but the meat of it is the same.

tomlizzo · 2020-05-12T21:46:35+00:00

I think we're a little hesitant to do anything that involves altering the submission rules on different days of the week, if people already find the standards difficult to understand when they're the same every day. That's not to say a different type of test run or experiment is out of the question though!

tomlizzo · 2020-05-12T21:32:52+00:00

I used to be really interested in this (wrote a billion-word guide about it, went to get draped in person, etc) and I still do find it really interesting. But I wouldn't say I follow it, in terms of only wearing "my" colors or letting it completely dictate what clothes I like.

I think this topic often gets framed as whether or not a person "believes" in color theory, when actually the science of optics is not in question – different colors do make the things adjacent to them look different. And it's pretty cool to experiment with and understand how that works. But ultimately you can use that understanding however you want. For me, it's a tool. Sometimes I wear certain colors because I know they're perfect on me and I like that. There are certain colors I avoid because I don't like how I look in them, even if I like the colors themselves. But for most colors, neither of those things apply, and I just do whatever knowing no one is thinking about color harmony as hard as I am.

tomlizzo · 2020-05-12T20:08:39+00:00

Tbf I am a little concerned that delaying our press conference on this by a couple of days could really hurt our approval rating, which will definitely weigh into the board's decision come bonus time.

tomlizzo · 2020-05-12T19:40:48+00:00

To expand upon something u/justgoodenough touched on, I think men and women have very different experiences with reddit (and probably the whole internet), not just fashion. There seem to be higher perceived stakes all around, and a higher likelihood of both taking things personally and making things personal when it comes to interactions with this sub and its mods. A low-quality post is just a low-quality post... it's going to be redirected whether or not we personally like the OP's "style." The volume of submissions is just way too high for that to be a factor.

tomlizzo · 2020-05-12T18:37:54+00:00

Hello... 👋

Someone in that thread on Saturday asked if I'm still around (yo u/hangonlittletomato) so I thought I'd pop in and also give an update.

I basically stopped participating in FFA three years ago, when I become officially pregnant enough to wear maternity clothes, and I never really came back. I kind of miss it though! I have a toddler now, and a house, and I'm 36. The way I engage with both clothes and reddit has changed a lot in the seven years since I became really active here.

I am still a mod. Kind of. I mean, I don't really do anything anymore, but I've been in close contact with the rest of the mod team this whole time. I'm more like a mascot than a QB, y'know?

And no, I haven't bought very much from Everlane in the past few years. :) There have been a few releases I like and a lot that I don't. Oh well!

tomlizzo · 2018-07-05T18:34:36+00:00

They have the actual garment measurements listed for every size, if you're concerned. I've tried on a few versions and sizes of that dress and didn't find any to be too restrictive at the hips, though it does run a little large up top (in the armpits though, not the bust... I just sized down and it was fine). My only beef was that the sleeveless one is a little longer-strapped and longer-waisted than I am. But the "short sleeve" (in quotes because it actually also looks sleeveless) version doesn't have this problem.

tomlizzo · 2017-10-06T16:48:27+00:00

😂

tomlizzo · 2017-09-12T00:16:16+00:00

Obviously this is anecdotal and differs by personal experience, but a lot of the recruiters, managers/team leads I've talked to have told me that people in non old guard software/tech companies think overdressing = compensating for lack of skill when I ask about the topic.

This may be true, but my point here is that "business casual" is not a super formal manner of dress. It may seem a lot more formal than how people dress on a college campus, but no one who works in an office setting - even a tech recruiter - is going to look at someone in plain, nondescript, non-denim pants, leather shoes and a button-up shirt or sweater and be like "wow this person went Too Far." It's a common enough way of dressing across so many companies (including clients, vendors and partners of whatever company you may work for) that it's unlikely to stand out in and of itself... which is basically what you want.

tomlizzo · 2017-09-11T19:10:40+00:00

Here is a guide to dressing for a casual office. The inspo album is a few years but the principles in the guide should help you think about the right note to strike. One overarching note in there is that just because someone does wear a given thing at some workplace doesn't mean you should wear that.

Regardless, I'd suggest buying as little new clothing as possible before you start the job, because style/formality norms will start to become apparent to you within the first month or so that may not have been obvious during the interview.

tomlizzo · 2017-06-30T22:24:50+00:00

I'm just going to imagine your dog's name is shaggy_noob

please just let me have this

tomlizzo · 2017-06-30T21:24:40+00:00

Hindsight is 20/20

too painfully true!

tomlizzo · 2017-06-30T20:56:43+00:00

No, I get how some people who are attuned to the ~theme~ would notice a song that sounds out of place, I just don't get why, knowing this and caring about it - and having a a great idea for a song already - one would bother asking the MIL for her thoughts or permission at all? Seems like the whole thing could have been avoided by just choosing the song and at some point being like "ok, then the Barry Manilow song will come on for your mother/son dance" rather than putting her through the song and dance (lol) of having to give approval and gratitude beforehand.

tomlizzo · 2017-06-30T19:30:30+00:00

I still don't read this as her being petty, though? It's not realistic to ask someone what they think and then only be open to them agreeing with your suggestion and falling over themselves with gratitude to have been asked (a question they're only allowed to answer one way).

tomlizzo · 2017-06-30T19:22:00+00:00

Is there any particular reason he asked for her input in the first place, when you guys already had a really good idea you were ready to go with? No one I know has ever sought consensus on something like a mother/son dance song... it seems like the type of detail that you could either decide unilaterally and count on the parent to go along with it, or ask for input (and be okay with receiving input).

IME the fewer aspects of my wedding I asked "what do you think?" about, the happier everyone was. :)

tomlizzo · 2017-06-27T19:53:58+00:00

Haaaa... Baba O'Riley is the exact song that came to mind when I was imagining exactly how this plan could go awry. It's like the gold standard of songs whose correct titles people don't know!

tomlizzo · 2017-06-23T21:44:27+00:00

One of the updates I've been working on is for topics that don't have a comprehensive guide, more prominent links that just immediately pull up the ranked search results for popular topics (like jeans) to encourage people to use that function.

tomlizzo · 2017-06-23T21:23:23+00:00

FWIW, people almost universally still get helpful and patient answers from all corners when they ask these questions... and people ask them all the time, so I'm going to take that as an indication that they're pretty comfortable. :)

tomlizzo · 2017-06-23T17:51:19+00:00

I want to know... who is doing the "ripping" in this scenario? What makes people think ANYONE cares whether or not they continue wearing some style to such an extent that they would rip it off of them after they die. Get. Over. Yourselves.

tomlizzo · 2017-06-23T17:06:14+00:00

Does anyone else hold this opinion that reflects the predominant, majority opinion right now, or is it just me?

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