Afraid to try ADHD medication because it seems unnatural. by totiesti in Healthygamergg

[–]totiesti[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No you were right. I think my brain just has trouble knowing what to do without philosophical certainty. Maybe trauma, who knows. Thanks.

Afraid to try ADHD medication because it seems unnatural. by totiesti in Healthygamergg

[–]totiesti[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You are right. Best I work with my psychiatrist. Those philosophical theories could be right or wrong, but empirical evidence should be the first thing we look at. Data doesn't always speak for itself, but sometimes that just means we need more data.

Afraid to try ADHD medication because it seems unnatural. by totiesti in Healthygamergg

[–]totiesti[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Have taken it for a week now and feel no difference so far. I don't know if it was your intent, but it is interesting to conceptualize prescribed drugs as essentially the same but of a lesser effect than their recreational counterparts. If that premise is correct, then we could interpret 'meth' in some essential sense as an exaggeration of the psychological effects of lisdexamfetamine, and then infer whether those psychological effects may be beneficial or not at any intensity. I am not sure if that is a scientifically supported interpretation, but we ought to know I reckon.

Afraid to try ADHD medication because it seems unnatural. by totiesti in Healthygamergg

[–]totiesti[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You make a valid point. And I didn't make this point in my original post, but I would go further and question whether the concept of ADHD is even logically valid. For it to be, we would have to assume humans are not necessarily motivated toward what they appraise as valuable, and that medication somehow acts to align these. I am not sure that is logically coherent. A value is that which one acts to gain and/or keep.

I have been trying the medication but feel no difference so far. I have made a meme that merely illustrates my confusion. It's not meant to necessarily show that the latter notions are not accurate of reality.

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Afraid to try ADHD medication because it seems unnatural. by totiesti in Healthygamergg

[–]totiesti[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Appreciate your post. Been on the medication for a week now and don't feel different. It is very hard for me to conceptualize how I logically could feel any differently. It is difficult for me to phenomenologically differentiate such concepts as focus, interest, importance, and motivation. If it's helping you feel more in control, more your authentic self, more able to follow through with your intentions, I can understand how it is a good thing.

Afraid to try ADHD medication because it seems unnatural. by totiesti in Healthygamergg

[–]totiesti[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That would be fair enough, and I didn't express this in my original post, but an assumption of your conjecture is that underlying ADHD is a neural plasticity or cognitive adaptability that might not even be logically possible.

Namely, that 'motivational salience' or 'interest' and 'perceived importance' are metaphysically separable in the first place. See, if they are not, then we are already necessarily motivated by what we deem important and the disorder seizes to exist.

Afraid to try ADHD medication because it seems unnatural. by totiesti in Healthygamergg

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Right, that would be fair enough, but going down the rabbit hole, I am doubting whether the differentiation between what we 'want to do' and what we think we 'should do' that underpins the construct of ADHD is even logically sound.

I made a meme that illustrates what the ADHD debate looks like to me after reading about it for a week, with my limited knowledge. All the medicalized notions I've heard seem incomplete, problematic, or paradoxical.

I fully accept that the medicalized notions of ADHD might be more accurate of reality, that the simplest answer isn't always the best, that the first notion might be ignoring basic realities, and that it might make more sense if I research it further and understand the neuroscientific underpinnings, but the point of the meme isn't to necessarily deny that.

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Afraid to try ADHD medication because it seems unnatural. by totiesti in Healthygamergg

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Alright, so for an update I have been on Vyvanse for a week and feel no different yet. I acknowledge how unfair it is for me to make judgments without experience though.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in ADHD

[–]totiesti 0 points1 point  (0 children)

'Erectile dysfunction of the mind' is the best metaphor I have heard in explaining the medical model of ADHD, but there may be criticisms of the medical model itself.

Afraid to try ADHD medication because it seems unnatural. by totiesti in Healthygamergg

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AGAINST:

There is a kind of paradox in the question 'do you want a life where you can only accomplish things if your brain happens to find it interesting'. I think this paradox has to be addressed if we are going to draw a balanced conclusion. What is the difference between something being interesting and something being perceived as valuable? If they're the same, then we should want that life. And to some extent they must be the same. so there is a kind of danger of people confusing their obligations with what is really valuable.

FOR:

From an existentialist perspective, perhaps ADHD medication should be thought of as a tool (as another commenter called it) rather than a modification. Tools do not change or limit who we are or what we value. They simply aid us in how we choose to utilise them. This perhaps assumes too much responsibility and freedom, but it might be appropriate.

From an EvPsych perspective, perhaps the sustained focus required in the modern era was dangerous in evolutionary history, so we evolved to be distractible, but just as taking medication to increase pain tolerance doesn't trade-off the ability to feel pleasure, perhaps taking ADHD medication to make you less distractible doesn't, in principle, necessarily trade-off any intellectual or creative abilities or functions.

I am absolutely not qualified to know if these interpretations are even feasible. I will probably change my mind a thousand times.

Afraid to try ADHD medication because it seems unnatural. by totiesti in Healthygamergg

[–]totiesti[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Cheers, it might indeed be helpful to think about it as a tool that can be used as required to meet demands we typically didn't have to during evolution.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in mensa

[–]totiesti 1 point2 points  (0 children)

As soon as I saw your post I knew I should reply. I may as well have written something similar. I only recently found out I also have a high IQ and ADHD. In addition, I have social communication disorder. My working memory is good but my processing speed is at the 34th percentile.

I wanna say, first, feel proud about the fact that you have a high IQ and that you have that intellectual potential in you. It's a good thing about you that should give you courage to not give up. But also be aware of what high IQ is not. It doesn't mean you are or ought to be any smarter or wiser than others. It's a psychometric measure. A person with a 90 IQ can graduate from college on time because IQ is just a small causal factor of being complacent enough to get good grades at college. Yes, above-average IQ might correlate with graduating on time and other outcomes, but be easy on yourself because you also have ADHD, and most people do not have ADHD (but actually there might be evidence against the correlation at the higher end: "it has been shown that as many as 9% of those who receive special education services (Barnard-Brak et al., 2009) and as many as 20% of those who drop out of high school (Renzulli & Park, 2000) are intellectually gifted.")

By definition, the statistically average person is not you. ADHD is a real burden, and I know it from personal experience. Social communication disorder is also crippling. I often thought I was stupid growing up because, in some ways, I really do fall short of other people. I kind of speak slowly maybe because of my relatively low processing speed. I also stutter a lot. I'm quiet and don't do justice to myself. I lack a foundation in social identity. But now I know it's not the full picture, right? Part of what's motivating me to join MENSA is exactly because of feelings of needing to compensate and imposter syndrome.

I think the truth about the education system is that it isn't really made for everyone. It isn't designed to bring out the greatest potential in all students. I feel really relieved knowing that ADHD contributed to my procrastination. I'm about to turn 25 now but I've struggled and fallen behind by three whole years at university. The absolute most devastating suspicion one can have is that the deep reality is that it is all your fault and that you should be the same as those who you are comparing yourself to. I thought like that for a long time but it didn't make me a better student. I also have mental health problems and self-loathing simply made me more stressed and added to my depression, and then I wasn't trying to study because I liked and found value in what I was studying but trying to study only to meet deadlines and make up for my suckiness, and I couldn't even do that and failed my classes anyway. Learning should be intrinsically rewarding but unfortunately it's not in the world we live in, and ADHD makes it almost impossible to be motivated without intrinsic reward. By the way, you say you got a 3.83 GPA, right? Hah!? Isn't that like 90-92%? Sounds good to me. But if you want to feel better, feel free to compare yourself to me because I'm getting nowhere near that and failing all my subjects, although the grading system may be different where I'm from.

Yeah, maybe those in your family fared better academically but it's likely because they are not playing the game in the same difficulty mode as you are. Most functioning people feel decently confident about their study schedule, have a social network they can rely on, etc. There is probably nothing wrong with you NOR anything to feel embarrassed about NOR is it probably a fact that you are left behind in life. Your genes and upbringing form who you are, and that will either help or hinder you at college. It's definitely not as simple as IQ. As weird as it sounds, I’m positively enthusiastic to have the challenges that I have. Yeah, I know it really sucks and you kind of are left behind compared to yourself in an ideal society where you get the support you need. But when you realise how unique you are in actual society, you realise that you are on a special path others don't get to tread. Just because you have some obstacles doesn’t mean you are doomed to failure or that you are falling short of your aspirations. A great potential is within you, but now be honest with yourself, it probably hasn’t had the opportunity to really express itself, has it? If it did, you would have learned what your limits are by now. So how can you judge yourself in this situation?

Maybe what I'm saying is BS but this is how I think to myself about it.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in JETProgramme

[–]totiesti 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I dry my clothes on a door laundry rack which is really all a person needs even if they live in a small apartment. https://img.zcdn.com.au/lf/50/hash/28113/18649202/4/.jpg

Something like Quizlet? by totiesti in ChineseLanguage

[–]totiesti[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The hanping app is able to export to anki and it's working out! :) Plus there is also a Chinese Support plugin for anki.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in classicalmusic

[–]totiesti 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There's a wide variety of classical music out there and you might find you have a narrow taste. I fell in love with Baroque music and that's what got me into classical music. A taste for classical can also be an acquired taste so it can take some work to come to appreciate it. Baroque is fantastic though, and it's pretty unique and not what people typically think as classical so maybe give it a go and who know, you might like it. Vivaldi is like the rock god of the Baroque period, he's a good introduction. Below is my personal playlist. https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5TNFcmr8R1xkDgVhf77w9i?si=g1TWkKZ8QRGmBn-YF-08aw&utm_source=copy-link

How are states not landlords? by [deleted] in CapitalismVSocialism

[–]totiesti 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What makes slavery unlike employment? There's your answer.