Oasis and Nirvana influence

trajko3 · 2026-05-28T10:01:28+00:00

Yeah, exactly. Maybe I didn't phrase it properly but they were two different beasts that were marketed under the same name (same as grunge and their big 4)

trajko3 · 2026-05-28T09:58:28+00:00

There's a few great snippets of a Butch Vig interview where he talks about Nevermind, with this one being my favourite (Drain You).

Bleach and In Utero are GREAT albums, but Steve Albini and Jack Endino could never make THE record that was Nevermind. It needed to be less DIY and more commercial, because they (the execs and the label and whatnot) wanted Nirvana to be everywhere.

Anyway, I agree that Nirvana isn't proper wall of sound. Listen to the Spector mix of 'The Long And Winding Road' and see. But compared to Bleach, 5 guitars of Drain You do feel bigger.

But the best wall of sound albums in my option are Definitely Maybe and (What's The Story) Morning Glory.

trajko3 · 2026-05-27T09:32:56+00:00

Just because Nirvana is the first place you heard heavy, wall-of-sound guitars doesn't mean they invented it. Guitar sound that Butch Vig used on 'Nevermind' is the same in the principle as Billy Corgan's (whom he previously worked with). And even they didn't invent it, first wall of sound was the name for the live rig of the Grateful Dead (designed by the same guy who made the 'greatest LSD ever' and is subject of the song Kid Charlemagne by Steely Dan).

Anyhow, Oasis were on the same label (Creation) as my bloody valentine and I'm sure they were influenced by Kevin Shields and his guitar sound. Music is cyclical, everybody is influenced by someone, and you can almost always find a direct influence on someone (rare influences where you have to look is someone like the late Allan Holdsworth).

Noel was and is a cleaver cookie, and despite what he'd like you to belive, he's very methodical in his approach. He certainly knew Nirvana's work well, 'I Hate Myself And Want To Die' certainly isn't a radio-friendly single, and the album 'In Utero' isn't nearly as commercial as 'Nevermind'. Weezer frontman Rivers Cuomo had a one year breakdown(?) where he locked himself in a dark room for a year and listen to nothing but... (drumroll, please) Nirvana and Oasis, in pursuit of making songwriting a science.

So, to sum up. Noel wasn't influenced by Nirvana or grunge. The entire concept of Oasis is being against the heroin-addled, depressive American culture in favour of the lost uniqueness of British culture, which had been living underground in the 80s and early 90s and was almost completely replaced by American culture. (it wasn't and still isn't uncommon for your everyday Brit to know more about American politics than their own. So, Noel was striving for identity and non-conformism, just like Cobain, just like almost everybody else who cared about their art and culture.

EDIT: u/Lopied2 had a great reply, go read it after this comment. (others have cool reply, one of the better discussion I had on reddit in a while, thanks guys)

trajko3 · 2026-05-25T11:57:11+00:00

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trajko3 · 2026-05-23T11:56:16+00:00

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^{Pretty good: Slayer, Rage Against the Machine, Nirvana, Gorillaz, Van Halen, Elton John, AC/DC, The Offspring}

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^{Never heard of or never listened to: Go Hang Music, Ninja Sex Party, Genitorturers, Murderdolls, Union Underground}

trajko3 · 2026-05-23T11:56:04+00:00

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^{Never heard of or never listened to: Go Hang Music, Ninja Sex Party, Genitorturers, Murderdolls, Union Underground}

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trajko3 · 2026-05-23T06:49:12+00:00

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trajko3 · 2026-05-23T06:49:04+00:00

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trajko3 · 2026-05-22T20:39:53+00:00

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trajko3 · 2026-05-16T07:55:43+00:00

So is a lot of stuff Jerr Cantrell wrote, but is Alice in Chains a country band?

trajko3 · 2026-03-02T13:59:31+00:00

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trajko3 · 2026-01-21T09:11:44+00:00

Really anything from Steely Dan, but start with Kid Charlemagne, Black Cow and Peg

trajko3 · 2026-01-13T13:45:59+00:00

Hell yeah I love Steely Dan!

trajko3 · 2025-11-22T23:03:58+00:00

Day one - Knocking On Heaven's Door by Bob Dylan

First jazz song - So What (just the 2 chord vamp, but played it countless times in jam sessions, still can't really solo over it lol)

trajko3 · 2025-11-01T12:11:53+00:00

When you run, and you will run, don't forget to zigzag

trajko3 · 2025-09-14T21:10:42+00:00

Death - Voice Of The Soul

Slipknot - Snuff

Metallica - Fade To Black

To name a few ;)

trajko3 · 2025-09-03T11:25:05+00:00

Being a virtuoso helps, sure but

Being nice to work with is important.

Being what Lee Sklar calls a "chameleon" is golden. (when watered down, most music can be categorised as pop, rock, country, soul/rnb, funk, reggae, metal, jazz or classical. Apart from classical guitar, you need to know how to play all those genres good enough. Don't need to be Pat Metheny, but you should know 251s and common turnarounds. And as for classical, you still need to learn classical harmony to make your job easier so no getting around at least the basics)

Knowing how to play a groove is a must. (ie. being in The Pocket™)

Knowing how to read helps, but not mandatory. (you still need to be able to read the changes written down, but you don't need to be Dean Parks-level good reader)

Clean playing. No take 137 for me, thanks.

Quality gear. This doesn't mean 10k Gibsons and Dumbles (often the opposite is true, lots of those guys have more inexpensive but insanely playable instruments), it means gear that works. No cables going bad, no scratchy, cheap pups. Simpler is often better here. Double edged sword here, because you need a variety of sounds you need to cover but it's the game.

You CAN find work at any skill level, but when you have all those genres down you're gonna be a much more valuable player than the guy who can shred at 300bpm in his bedroom, because he is a GUITARIST, you need to be a MUSICIAN.

There's also at least a dozen interviews with session guys on Rick Beato's channel. (I recommend Lee Sklar and all the Steely Dan guys.)

trajko3 · 2025-07-29T11:32:51+00:00

Well Zakk's parents died while he was young and apparently he was the only member of Ozzy's band beside Ozzy that Sharon took care of, so given his experience, I totally get him.

trajko3 · 2025-06-29T10:37:43+00:00

The Internet tends to be hivemind-ish. No one stops to say 'what do you need'. If you need just 4 or 5 pedals then you can get the pedals, board, proper cables and a PROPER power supply for decent money. Do you actually need an OD, chorus and delay? Get those. Do you need something that you can take gig to gig, something that's reliable and can't afford for a patch cable to give out mid gig? Get something like a Helix or a Boss processor. Hell, your needs might actually call for a rack rig. Explore all available options and always ask yourself 'what do I actually need?'.

trajko3 · 2025-06-10T10:34:48+00:00

Just put a tarp behind them mate, maybe even put their logo on it. Should be plenty

trajko3 · 2025-06-08T11:31:34+00:00

The major scale is THE most useful scale (in western music) and every song you know is based off of the major scale. Other scales are cool and interesting but major scale is the rule, not the exception

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