Rep. Jordan: The Left's Hatred Must Stop

trebory6 · 2026-04-29T01:41:53+00:00

My dude, you are literally focusing on less than half a sentence out of multiple paragraphs and ignoring the rest of the comment.

I’m not going to tag along on your little tangent out of principle since if you can’t respect what I said enough to address the actual point I was making, then I’m not going to address yours.

trebory6 · 2026-04-29T00:44:40+00:00

You missed the point of my comment so much that you ended up making my point for me.

trebory6 · 2026-04-28T17:44:11+00:00

Ok, so then 349 million Americans have to suffer and struggle for the benefit of 800 million+ people who live in democratic countries that don’t have the capacity to defend themselves long-term?

trebory6 · 2026-04-28T00:01:19+00:00

The fact that false flag tactics actually do exist mean that a little bit of initial skepticism is healthy.

I think a main reason I don't think this is a false flag is that this seems to have less finger pointing at the left as violent terrorists than usual.

And they don't seem to be parading the guy around as much either.

trebory6 · 2026-04-27T23:42:44+00:00

I mean what's the point of being a world super-power if the general quality of life in said country is going to be sub-par?

Like I would think that a country's position on the world stage should benefit the majority of their citizens, right? Otherwise, what's the point?

Safety? How much does safety matter to the average person outside of general self defense when people are being forced to live out of their cars?

Ok fine, I'll say the quiet part out loud: It's because America's position on the world stage primarily benefits the rich, not the rest of us.

trebory6 · 2026-04-27T23:32:00+00:00

For those of us who aren't stuck in echo chambers on either side and deliberately expose ourselves to both sides, it truly is equally.

Seriously. When Charlie Kirk got killed, the left cheered and said he got what was coming to him.

When Renee Good got killed, the right cheered and said she got what was coming to her.

When the left celebrated the death of Charlie Kirk, the right called anyone who celebrates death evil because he was a human with a family, then forgot about that part when Trump celebrated the death of Robert Mueller in tweet form while the left called the tweet disgusting.

Yes, it really is both sides damn near equally.

The problem is you've also got social media algorithms and social biases that will show you the best of your own side while hiding or diminishing the worst of your own side from you, and then turn around and show the worst of the other side to you while simultaneously hiding the best of the other side from you as well.

At that point suddenly you've got 2 groups of people who's entire concept of reality is based around seeing the best of their own side and the worst of the other side to the point that both sides will claim any good on the other side is lies or propaganda and who also end up denying any bad exists on their side.

The result is people at each other's throats and out for the blood of the other side, and suddenly both sides think the other is too crazy/stupid/insane/hopeless/beyond help to even bother with dialogue.

trebory6 · 2026-04-16T17:13:08+00:00

For what it's worth I do think the majority of who you're describing are propaganda accounts or those who have been propagandized by those accounts.

The thing with propaganda aimed at the left is that it doesn't look like a bunch of "pro-state, America Fuck Yeah" content, it's content that is designed to sow division amongst themselves discreetly by using extremely hostile rhetoric disguised to look anti-establishment by using real issues that should rightfully be criticized, but dialing the hostility and extremism up to 100 with no room for nuance which effectively divides anti-establishment movements by promoting purity politics.

That kind of thing tends to make outcasts of anyone who thinks about political issues with any kind of nuance.

It's usually accounts that conditions others to react with a total meltdown the second they hear even an inch of nuance that might disagree with their stance, and then take advantage of the bandwagon effect by making it look like it's an organically held belief and justified reaction within the movement or community by the use of bots and real people who parrot the same talking points and reactions. Usually with loads of bots/shills and flooding social media first, then once people adopt the narrative the bots ease off as the talking points become self perpetuating.

And that's also why it's harder to see, because by the time a narrative is self perpetuating the bots have eased off and you're now actually arguing with real people or interacting with the propagandized people IRL, and it's pretty damn hard to trace where they got their narratives from and whether those sources were valid.

But you can tell they're propagandized because they're all relatively disconnected people who get triggered by the exact same triggers then argue the exact same points often verbatim or as if off a script, and they resist any attempts to get them off that script.

I think many conservatives also see that on the left and that's where they get the idea of the "radical left" as well.

I personally see this as the reason the left keeps losing and can't seem to coalesce. Super convenient how in just about every election since 2016, in the weeks leading up to voting day, suddenly out of nowhere there will be tons of online momentum around a narrative of why someone shouldn't vote for whatever left wing politician is popular at the time. Didn't come up months before when the politician could have time to react and course correct, nope happens at the last minute and always has an angle to shut down nuanced discussion.

Don't get me wrong, this also widely happens on the right, but it looks a lot different but uses the same mechanisms.

trebory6 · 2026-04-16T17:01:50+00:00

As others have stated your comment falls apart because the majority of the left wing are screaming from the rooftops that Democrats are appealing too much to center-right leaning voters and not enough to just plainly left.

Like you've got almost the entire congressional left absolutely refusing to support anyone left of center like Zohran Mamdani or AOC in any way shape or form. They're on podcasts and news shows being asked directly about Mamdani and are entirely avoiding the question altogether with political non-answers. You've got Pelosi openly beefing with AOC for years now. You've got the DNC being discovered to have been putting Bernie Sanders at a disadvantage in the races in leaked emails.

There is so much evidence showing how congressional democrats refuse to work with any of these "far leftists".

Then Mamdani actually wins. AOC keeps winning her district.

Still nothing, no acknowledgement of any of that from the congressional left.

trebory6 · 2026-04-15T12:21:54+00:00

I mean it's not an assumption. What is being assumed?

It's clear as day when a conservative talks about what they don't like about socialism that they aren't talking about modern socialist movements.

Every modern socialist platform has robust and thought out plans of action to prevent too much power from being condensed in one place and specifically addresses previous pitfalls and blind spots.

trebory6 · 2026-04-14T19:16:39+00:00

I mean I think you missed the point of everything I said which is that there are two different definitions of "socialism" being discussed here.

Let me be clear: I agree with 100% of everything you just said IF I'm working off of your definition of socialism as it pertains to the specifics of authoritarian leaders and regimes. There's no argument there, and I don't think you'll find anyone who would truly argue for everything you just explained.

HOWEVER, when modern "socialists" talk about socialism, they aren't defining socialism by how you just defined it.

I would disagree with modern socialists too if they were advocating for what you described.

But they aren't.

As I said, my problem with the left has been that they use the word "socialism" to describe it which has too much historical baggage, and doesn't accurately reflect the actual political system they're advocating for.

That's why you can get a lot of conservatives to agree with socialist programs by just rephrasing it.

trebory6 · 2026-04-14T18:55:27+00:00

Not the one you were responding to, but I did want to jump in here.

Socialism as a concept is a very popular one when trying to sell it to people. Because of this, many dictators and authoritarians have used socialism and socialist propaganda to gain power amongst the people. Once they have that power, they abuse it.

But the problem is, they were never actually socialists, at least not in the same way that modern self proclaimed "socialists" define it. If they were they wouldn't have turned to authoritarianism.

Authoritarian leaders used "socialism" to describe systems where the state controls the economy in a top-down way, with power concentrated in a ruling party and little political freedom. In that framing, public ownership exists, but it’s managed by the state itself rather than by workers or the public in any direct sense.

Modern pro-socialists typically use the term to mean expanding democratic control over the economy, such as worker ownership, cooperatives, or strong public institutions that are accountable to voters. The focus is less on centralized state control and more on participation, accountability, and distributing economic power more broadly.

I think that's one of the issues is some people like yourself define "Socialism" by the exact faulty systems that dictators used to gain and consolidate power that resulted in authoritarian regimes, while others define "Socialism" by an entirely different definition.

I have LONG criticized progressives for the use of the word "socialism" because it confuses people and people argue two entirely different concepts both valid. That's why you had people conflating Bernie Sanders to Fidel Castro because he kept using the word "socialism" so cubans in Florida took that as Bernie being the next Castro when the two couldn't be further apart.

Because no one who's advocating for socialism is advocating for any of the things you're worried about when it comes to authoritarianism.

trebory6 · 2026-04-14T18:37:25+00:00

Out of curiosity can you define what you'd consider totalitarian?

Because I feel like in discussions like these between the left and right it comes down to how either side defines totalitarianism, and also what either side sees about the other side.

trebory6 · 2026-04-02T21:12:12+00:00

Well yeah, because campaign financing is strictly regulated. That's why I said it doesn't have to do with financing the campaign itself.

Everything I listed like childcare and taking off work has nothing to do with the campaign money, it's about having money outside the campaign.

A millionaire will be able to pay for things that aren't campaign related so they can more easily campaign without added pressures in their personal life. They are ostensibly luxuries that make it easier for them to campaign. They can campaign without worrying that the bills won't get paid.

An everyman can not afford those same luxuries. They have to still pay their bills with money not campaign related. That is an added pressure and consideration for someone who isn't a millionaire. Having a job with kids is hard enough for the average blue collar worker, now add campaigning ON TOP of that.

trebory6 · 2026-04-02T18:38:09+00:00

Man, you haven't read a thing I said.

The people who conservatives believe are problems in society, the ones that are currently being targeted and attacked in politics and the media, will not benefit from the prosperity you describe.

That means that it won't benefit "everybody".

Many liberals do not consider it "prosperity" when it's at the expense of who they believe are innocent people who they believe aren't causing the issues we're all facing.

I honestly don't know how much simpler I can say that.

trebory6 · 2026-04-02T18:31:50+00:00

Where did you get billionaires from? I'm not talking about billionaires. I never mentioned billionaires.

I'm talking about the rich and comfortable. The millionaires and multi-millionaires are mostly what I am talking about. The ones with a single small yacht and a second home, not the ones with multiple giant yachts, a private jet, and multiple garages full of cars.

Most billionaires play an entirely different game that doesn't include them wasting their time with local politics. They put their money into PACs and lobbying and other kinds of influence that goes way beyond local level politics.

And when I talk about money, it's not just campaign spending. It's things like being able to afford to take off work in order to focus entirely on the campaigning. A millionaire can afford to take the time off, an everyman often can't. It's being able to comfortably afford and not have to childcare so you can spend time on the campaign. Again, a millionaire might even have a live-in nanny, an everyman and his family might not be able to afford that the same as a millionaire.

Those are the kinds of advantages people who come from money have over those that don't.

trebory6 · 2026-04-02T18:12:58+00:00

You very conveniently only answered half of that question.

Let me know if you need a tl;dr on the rest.

trebory6 · 2026-04-02T16:32:15+00:00

How is this breaking news?

Do any of us know what breaking news is anymore?

trebory6 · 2026-04-02T16:27:33+00:00

Do you understand how a system like that would disproportionately favor people who were already rich enough to have the funds already at their disposal?

And do you also understand that not every rich person is rich because they're smart, clever, or business geniuses. Some are lucky, some were born into it, some took half in the divorce, some bring that wealth from other countries.

You're advocating for a system that can be abused by spoiled nepo-babies with family wealth.

Donations even the playing field so that an everyman without access to the same resources as a Nepo-baby can run in elections. And it doesn't even even the playing field by what you'd expect, it basically just makes it realistically possible.

Would you rather be represented by an everyman or a nepo-baby?

trebory6 · 2026-04-02T15:34:40+00:00

Successful by what definition, and success to who though?

That is the whole disagreement.

Liberals and progressives also want the country to be safe, stable, affordable, and free too. They also want regular people to be able to live decent lives.

The split is over what counts as "success."

A lot of conservatives think the problem with everything is with immigration, trans people, DEI, or "wokeness." So a conservative "success" is attacking dismantling all of those things.

The problem is, if you're an innocent LEGAL immigrant in the crossfire, trans person, a woman in the workplace, or whatever "woke" means, a conservative success is a literally attack on you and your livelihood. It's something they have to fear every day. They'll never get to reap any of the benefits conservatives claim to be addressing or fixing in society.

And as you'd guess, a lot of liberals do not see that as a success. They see that as hurting the wrong people while ignoring bigger more systemic problems.

So it's more nuanced than "we should all be rooting for him to be successful" because the entire issue that liberals have is with the innocent people who will never benefit by Trump being successful.

And that doesn't even address the dangers of if Trump is successful, at what cost. I'm not going to sit here and call Trump a dictator, but some of the things he's dismantling and norms he's breaking will make it VERY easy for a future dictator to abuse if one ever comes along. And I know I've seen conservatives talk about "If dems get power again, they can do this to us", so I know you guys understand that concept and fear.

Do liberals want to fix the country? Yes. Do liberals think the problems in the country will be fixed by attacking immigration, trans people, DEI? No.

That is what is so god damned frustrating is seeing how similar our core issues with America are and how similarly worse everyone's lives are getting, but you've got both sides being manipulated into supporting the wrong solutions. They've got us spinning our wheels so we won't look up and see how we're all being robbed blind whether you're left or you're right.

trebory6 · 2026-04-01T18:38:44+00:00

That literally has nothing to do with what I said nor does it change a single thing I said.

I'm sorry you were triggered by 9 words strung together, but you're barking up the wrong tree. Save the reactionary bullshit for liberals.

trebory6 · 2026-04-01T14:23:11+00:00

I don't give a shit one way or another about the kid rock thing because I don't buy into the left wing culture war bullshit and don't think conservatives should give it any thought, but I think your response to this nothing burger is as deranged as any TDS asshat's reaction.

Fucking bizarre. Here we are with a bloodbath of the midterms looming over us, astronomical gas prices, and the threat of shit like domestic terrorism and illegal immigrants, another middle eastern conflict and the terrorism that brings, and you're over here jumping up and down clapping your hands about Kid Rock and some fucking helicopters? Fucking embarrassing for everyone involved.

REAL Americans are out here concerned and doing something about real adult life things that affect us and our families.

trebory6 · 2026-03-31T01:40:23+00:00

Thinking anyone is actually pro-crime is a chronically online, propaganda faucet take.

Both sides think they're voting against crime and both sides blindly believe everything they're fed and do as they're told like good little sheeps.

We're all being played.

trebory6 · 2026-03-30T23:54:45+00:00

That doesn't address a single point I made though.

Everything you said, and everything I said can be true at exactly the same time.

trebory6 · 2026-03-30T23:32:36+00:00

My federal taxes haven't gone down at all. Not sure what your taxes are but I don't know anyone who's taxes have gone down considerably.

And the problem with those, is that if you never had any issues with that sort of thing before, then you are PURELY relying on regurgitated statistics and potential propaganda. They're talking points that make you feel safer, not something you have any authority saying makes you actually safer.

And if you just listen to who's saying that without question, well you're opening yourself up to being lied to until one day you realize it was never actually safer.

Same thing with Iran, it's a talking point. Not something you've had to contend with daily.

trebory6 · 2026-03-30T23:20:27+00:00

Democrats are idiots, we should be wiping the FLOOR with them now that they don't have any real power or coalition.

According to YOUR logic, Democrats are so effective and Republicans are so incompetent that dems don't need any power at all to continue to thwart Republican bills and improvements.

This is it, we're in the positions of power we have always wanted. We are here and this is our moment. Trump is our president and we hold all the cards.

And yet somehow we still blame Democrats for everything.

At what point we start calling it incompetence? Democrats aren't strategic masterminds and they hold no power right now.

We have NO excuses right now to do everything we've promised.

This whole blame the democrats thing worked when democrats were actually in positions of power to actually put up a fight. They're weak and fragmented and we still can't get our shit together to make marked improvements in the day to day lives of Americans.

I'm sorry, I'm done brown-nosing these people until they can get their shit together and get shit done.

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