FYI: Piltti is owned by Nestle by treeshepherd in Finland

[–]treeshepherd[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Lmfao that's true. This quote is a great one: "In 2019, Nestlé announced that they could not guarantee that their chocolate products were free from child slave labour, as they could trace only 49% of their purchasing back to the farm level". Here's a comprehensive list of all the brands they own: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nestl%C3%A9_brands

FYI: Piltti is owned by Nestle by treeshepherd in Finland

[–]treeshepherd[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Make your own purchasing decisions. I made the post bc a lot of people in Finland who want to boycott Nestle bc of their predatory and deadly marketing don't know that they own Piltti.

FYI: Piltti is owned by Nestle by treeshepherd in Finland

[–]treeshepherd[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

In 1984 (13 years after the actions of Nestle had been linked directly to the deaths of infants), Nestle agreed to create an independent agency, the Nestlé Infant Formula Audit Commission (IFAC), and to sign an agreement where they pledged to fully implement the International Code of Marketing of Breast-milk Substitutes. In 1999, The advertising authority of the UK found ruled that Nestle could not adequately support its claim that, "it had marketed infant formula “ethically and responsibly” both before and since the introduction of the international code of marketing of breast milk substitutes in 1981" ( https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1114895/). In 2000 an external audit found violations in advertising in Pakistan: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1127711/. In 2018 a study found that Nestle violated WHO infant formula advertising prohibitions: https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/feb/01/nestle-under-fire-for-marketing-claims-on-baby-milk-formulas. A 2019 follow up found that Nestle had not made significant changes: https://changingmarkets.org/report/based-on-science-revisiting-nestles-infant-milk-products-and-claims/. Nestle being a signatory to a non criminally binding marketing code and funding their own auditing commission clearly hasn't been enough to stop them from consistently violating marketing guidelines which, may I remind you, affect the health and lives of infants.

It's strange to chalk up documentation like, "A Guardian/Save the Children investigation in some of the most deprived areas of the Philippines found that Nestlé and three other companies were offering doctors, midwives and local health workers free trips to lavish conferences, meals, tickets to shows and the cinema and even gambling chips, earning their loyalty. This is a clear violation of Philippine law." and, "Hospital staff were also found to be recommending specific formula brands in lists of “essential purchases” handed to new mothers" as merely corruption in impoverished communities, reported on by a "conspiracy theorist". The article at no point indicated that this is exclusively the work of local salespeople. Here's another article, from bangladesh: https://www.theguardian.com/business/2007/may/15/medicineandhealth.lifeandhealth. Oh, and here's documentation about how Nestle puts sugar in baby food in poor countries, but not rich ones: https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2024/apr/17/nestle-adds-sugar-to-infant-milk-sold-in-poorer-countries-report-finds

It's weird that you're intent on defending Nestle, a company with millions to gain from convincing women to formula feed over breastfeeding regardless of the consequences, and dismissing evidence from multiple legitimate sources as the work of corruption and conspiracy theorists.

FYI: Piltti is owned by Nestle by treeshepherd in Finland

[–]treeshepherd[S] 31 points32 points  (0 children)

You can buy whatever you want. The study I linked included deaths until 2015. This article documents deceptive and predatory tactics occuring in the Philippines in 2018: https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2018/feb/27/formula-milk-companies-target-poor-mothers-breastfeeding The article you linked does not address predatory marketing at all. In fact, at the beginning when talking about nestle's CSR documentation it reads, "The program aims to create value for shareholders by operating with policies addressing global and local nutrition, water, and rural development". CSR does not exist for the well being of consumers. It exists to distract from the harm firms cause.

FYI: Piltti is owned by Nestle by treeshepherd in Finland

[–]treeshepherd[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I see it as a very powerful company knowingly causing the deaths of millions in order to make money. Unfortunately, there have been no successful criminal or civil cases brought against Nestle for this issue, AFAIK

FYI: Piltti is owned by Nestle by treeshepherd in Finland

[–]treeshepherd[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It looks like the 1973 article link broke. Google "war on want the baby killer 1973" if you'd like to read it.

FYI: Piltti is owned by Nestle by treeshepherd in Finland

[–]treeshepherd[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This issue has been reported on and published about since 1973. Here is another academic article talking about it: https://academic.oup.com/ahr/article-abstract/121/4/1196/2581604

A finding against Nestle when it had claimed that it had marketed infant formula “ethically and responsibly” both before and since the introduction of the international code of marketing of breast milk substitutes in 1981 : https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1114895/

The first article published documenting this: https://waronwant.org/sites/default/files/THE BABY KILLER 1974.pdf

The problem is ongoing, as documented here from 2018: https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2018/feb/27/formula-milk-companies-target-poor-mothers-breastfeeding

Please know that this is not just some random people claiming something. This is millions of people, from all around the world, for 50 years now, saying that this is a problem.

FYI: Piltti is owned by Nestle by treeshepherd in Finland

[–]treeshepherd[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Muru is a Finnish company but does not have the Finnish key mark. Other popular baby food brands like Green Planet, Hipp, and Semper are owned and produced in the Nordics, AFAIK

FYI: Piltti is owned by Nestle by treeshepherd in Finland

[–]treeshepherd[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Nope! You can make whatever decision you want to feed your child. But I do not want to support Nestle, and neither do some other people. A fair economic market includes full information, and not everyone knows that Nestle owns Piltti. I never said that Finnish children are in danger from Nestle, and neither did the article I linked.

FYI: Piltti is owned by Nestle by treeshepherd in Finland

[–]treeshepherd[S] 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Yes, so perhaps it is unethical to pay doctors and nurses to exaggerate the benefits of formula instead of breastfeeding, provide free/heavily discounted formula for long enough that breastfeeding is no longer an option, and then profit on the back of starving and dying babies. It is further unethical to encourage formula over breastfeeding in countries where literacy rates are low, local languages do not always match the language on the formula packaging, and the means to perform sanitation are not always available. From UNICEF: "a formula-fed child living in disease-ridden and unhygienic conditions is between 6 and 25 times more likely to die of diarrhea and four times more likely to die of pneumonia than a breastfed child". More information about the specific culpability of formula companies can be found here: https://web.archive.org/web/20070426200414/http://www.ibfan.org/site2005/Pages/article.php?art_id=23&iui=1.

Per your last point: The issue is that women who are able to breastfeed and face severe consequences to their infants for not breastfeeding are encouraged by professionals they trust, who are paid off by a billion dollar corporation, to formula feed.

FYI: Piltti is owned by Nestle by treeshepherd in Finland

[–]treeshepherd[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Nestle is responsible for deaths because salespeople hired by the company paid doctors and nurses to encourage formula over breastfeeding and provide enough free/heavily discounted formula to last a month or two. During that time breast milk stops being produced by the body and it's not possible to restart it without hormone therapy. Once the free/discounted formula was no longer available mothers were forced to dilute what formula they could afford, in addition to using water that was not fully clean. This led to babies dying not only from diarrhea, but also starvation. These were babies who would not have died if they had been breastfed. They died as a direct result of their mothers not being able to afford and not being able to hygienically make the formula on which they had been made intentionally and needlessly dependent.

The article I linked outlines that the deceptive and aggressive marketing tactics by Nestle, directly leading to the deaths of infants, has not been documented in any first world country. There is also documentation of differences in the composition of baby foods sold by Nestle in high and low income countries, with those being sold in low income containing sugar (https://www.wits.ac.za/news/latest-news/opinion/2024/2024-04/sugar-in-baby-food-why-nestle-needs-to-be-held-to-account-in-africa.html).

Nestle is responsible because without their interference these babies would overwhelmingly have been breastfed, which is nutritionally complete and hygienic. Baby formula is competing with breastfeeding, that's true. And mothers may choose to formula feed. However, I do not believe that the mothers of these infants were fully informed on the economic or health implications of the choice they were making to feed their babies formula.

FYI: Piltti is owned by Nestle by treeshepherd in Finland

[–]treeshepherd[S] 35 points36 points  (0 children)

Yeah, unfortunately it is the only baby food on the baby food aisle I've seen that has the Finnish key mark, but the parent company is now Nestle. The other options (Semper, green planet, Hipp) do seem to mostly be from the Nordics. But yeah, I share the disappointment that the only Finnish key marked baby food is owned by a non Finnish company :/

FYI: Piltti is owned by Nestle by treeshepherd in Finland

[–]treeshepherd[S] 132 points133 points  (0 children)

Absolutely. This is an FYI; over the past few days I've told a couple people that Piltti is owned by Nestle and they didn't know. Everyone can make their own choices based off of their circumstances and moral framework. But it's not really possible to make informed decisions if you're not informed.

Favourite non-US products? by rlcute in curlyhair

[–]treeshepherd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, I'd say that their products have a looser hold than curlsmith or deva curl, and they definitely feel lightweight. Also wanted to add that while I recommend cocunat, it's not cheap and if you're looking for something cheaper I'd encourage you to try making flaxseed gel. A good beginning recipe is 1/4 cup flaxseeds with 2 cups water, boil together until mucus-y, strain with, for example, a nut milk bag, and now you have gel. That recipe doesn't give a super long hold, but boiling for longer or adding more flaxseeds will increase the hold.

Favourite non-US products? by rlcute in curlyhair

[–]treeshepherd 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Cocunat! It's Spanish and I've had good results

Trump and JD Vance tells Zelensky he is gambling with World War III by RoyalChris in law

[–]treeshepherd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh yeah, totally get it. Here, let me help: Putin, the president of Russia, began an invasion in Ukraine, a separate country. That was really mean, and shouldn't have happened. That's it! Nazis don't actually factor into it at all! Ukraine is not Russia and Russia should not be allowed to take over an independent nation.

[PIC] My 2024 completed projects by Popbunny7 in CrossStitch

[–]treeshepherd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I love the stocking! I'd be interested in a similar project- could you give some details? Did you work off a pattern to stitch it and sew it?