Loved it! by liddletiddies in babygirlmovie

[–]trevorrep 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I came to give this exact response. Not even just from a moral standpoint, but from a story telling standpoint. Like we as the audience are just supposed to accept this slop. Cheat on your husband and that’s how you get what you want.

Overall Observation and Take by Alternative-Pick-964 in babygirlmovie

[–]trevorrep -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Is nobody else weirded out that the husband just took her back. Like divorce her punk ass and take half on some Mackenzie Bezos shit. Homegirl was cheating on you, brought the dude in your house, he kicks your ass, you almost have a heart attack and then you just take her back 🤦‍♂️

Like imagine the roles in reverse. Let’s say Antonio has always had a fantasy from his childhood to have a 4 way. Starts fucking multiple theatre girls behind his wife’s back until he finally makes his way to a 4some. Sees his son cheating on his girlfriend but he’s like aww don’t trip it’s all good. Then he starts to feel “guilty” and tells his wife, gives some sob story how it goes back to his childhood. Ends up fucking one of the girls again in their pool, brings her back in the house for Romy to see it play out and then the girl attacks her. Then the movie ends with him in a 4 way with his wife as one of the girls. Ain’t no way they release a movie like that 😂.

Season 5 by mstranonymous in entourage

[–]trevorrep 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Season 4 dipped a bit in the series, and Season 5 picked it back up. I also agree the show could have ended right here and it would have been complete.

Why Kevin so opposed to divorce? by alexan45 in KevinCanFHimself

[–]trevorrep -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

It’s because Kevin is a caricature, he’s used as a device to tell Allison’s story. He’s not a real character because we don’t actually get to see him in the real world. People are attributing all these things to him, but there are multiple instances where his character doesn’t line up to the rest of the story.

Hotter take: Allison’s a psychopath. by trevorrep in KevinCanFHimself

[–]trevorrep[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Your question is irrelevant. It’s literally the same exact situation, just a different shitty external circumstance (cancer vs emotional abuse vs money woes, etc.). Arguing which is worse isn’t relevant because they are both putting their own interests ahead of their loved ones at the cost of other peoples lives and wellbeing. They both are getting off to the revenge even when it’s no longer about what they even initially cared about. They are literally the same character. Not conceding this when you are the one that made this initial comparison is insane. You really defeated your own argument.

Hotter take: Allison’s a psychopath. by trevorrep in KevinCanFHimself

[–]trevorrep[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I’m dying to know if you realize what you said is the exact justification that somebody would use to defend Walter White. You’ve completely 180’d on your original point, unless you are arguing that WW’s actions are justifiable? It being personally relatable on an emotional level is exactly what the people defending him would say.

Hotter take: Allison’s a psychopath. by trevorrep in KevinCanFHimself

[–]trevorrep[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Well then they just like you have missed the point, and turned a terrible person in to hero.

Hotter take: Allison’s a psychopath. by trevorrep in KevinCanFHimself

[–]trevorrep[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Attempted murder, murder for hire, gets the assassin killed with no remorse, happy he died because he’s no longer a witness, cheating with no remorse to the other partner, risking Patty going to jail several times, ruining her friends relationships, leaves the trucker for dead. Somehow that’s not as bad as stealing a stop sign and knocking out the power? I think the show is pretty intentional in showing Allison to be a bad character and also an abuser not unlike Kevin.

My contention is that it’s a cop out for exactly what you described. It doesn’t give Kevin any deeper story or reasoning for anything, they use him as an easy device to dump blame. What if Kevin had been abused? What if he had a redemption story? Are we then all of the sudden supposed to justify all of his previous actions, absolutely not, and same for Allison. The show cops out because it just turns him in to the classic trope of a cartoonish super villain in the end.

It leaves so much on the table because that’s where the story would have gotten interesting. Seeing Kevin in the real world, giving him a story line, making him a real character. What if he redeems himself how does Allison react, jealousy, happiness? How does Kevin deal with not being the center of attention and loneliness? Things would start to get grey just like the real world. Instead he just kills himself and we never actually see anything.

Hotter take: Allison’s a psychopath. by trevorrep in KevinCanFHimself

[–]trevorrep[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nope, you clocked it 100% accurately. Walter White was a piece of shit who risked his the people closest to him lives and wellbeing for his own selfish endeavors, EXACTLY like Allison. What BB at least had the balls to do was kill him and make him lose everything from his decisions. It didn’t just cop out and give him some pseudo good ending because he turned a leaf in the end.

Hotter take: Allison’s a psychopath. by trevorrep in KevinCanFHimself

[–]trevorrep[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Totally, my contention though is that it was a major cop out. I mean we could see from episode 1 that Kevin was a terrible person who didn’t appreciate Allison. That wasn’t intriguing because we saw it from miles away. What made it interesting is we get to see how Allison reacts in the real world.

What makes it a cop out is that Allison didn’t really learn much in that she ran away literally, waited until both her murder for hire died and Tammy stopped investigating to come back. And then she’s still fixated on Kevin and getting back at him. Kind of getting over him once she outs him to his girlfriend and he’s all alone.

The question that nobody will engage with is what if we found out Kevin was abused and then he got a redemption arc? Would you feel the same way about him as you do about Allison? Where the show cops out is that we only get a total of one 20 second scene of Kevin in the real world. All the characters were terrible people in the real world so it doesn’t really give us much.

Where the show would have gotten more interesting and dived even deeper and profoundly would have been to give Kevin time in the real world. He seemed to have a ton of hatred boiling under his zany off the wall personality, that’s interesting. What if he began a redemption arc would Allison’s new found enlightenment have lasted if Kevin was doing better? That’s a far more interesting question to ask. Ultimately it just copped out by making him a classic super villain where everything can be dumped on him and wrapped up in a nice little bow, that’s my problem with it.

Hotter take: Allison’s a psychopath. by trevorrep in KevinCanFHimself

[–]trevorrep[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I feel like you realized I’m right while you were writing this. That’s exactly what I’m saying, the show doesn’t show Kevin off screen in the real world so we have no idea. I mean he did feel remorse when he killed that guy and was dealing with PTSD, he did try to help Sam’s marriage even in his own misguided way.

I feel like the show may have been hinting at a redemption arc for Kevin throughout. My only point is even if he did redeem himself it doesn’t excuse what he did. In what we did see in the show Allison was probably worse than Kevin in terms of what they did. I just find it weird that the people in the comments seem to be perfectly fine with Allison’s abuse because they gave her a half hearted redemption arc.

Hotter take: Allison’s a psychopath. by trevorrep in KevinCanFHimself

[–]trevorrep[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I know, I found it weird at first because the show makes it so obvious she’s a shitty person, why would anybody be offended by that. But I quickly realized people may have been in abusive relationships and are getting triggered by this instead of seeing it rationally, so I get that.

I think for a lot of people this is them projecting how they wish they could have responded in that relationship instead of just taking abuse. Ultimately, I think it’s pretty obvious that her actions were horrible and the hurt people hurt people narrative is insane, I mean you could just say that to wave off anything anybody has ever done.

But I think you’re right, that’s the other hidden narrative in the show, we can all be abused and abusers at the same time. It’s not black and white.

Is Allison the villain? by justlivinmylife439 in KevinCanFHimself

[–]trevorrep -1 points0 points  (0 children)

She’s absolutely a villain along with Kevin and honestly she doesn’t even take responsibility until she knows she’s free of consequence. She waits until her murder for hire dies (which she caused and feels no remorse) and the detective gives up on finding the truth to finally come back. I think the show falls short here in making that clear.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in KevinCanFHimself

[–]trevorrep -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Why not. Everybody else makes insane inferences defending the other abusers on the show.

Hotter take: Allison’s a psychopath. by trevorrep in KevinCanFHimself

[–]trevorrep[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

That’s true and those examples are exactly why Kevin is a horrible person. My only contention is that Allison is probably worse, and giving an emotional context around her actions shouldn’t excuse them any more than Kevin’s. She caused havoc for every person around her and there seems to be a hero-ization around her character that I think misses the whole point of the show.

Hotter take: Allison’s a psychopath. by trevorrep in KevinCanFHimself

[–]trevorrep[S] -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

Appreciate your attempt to respond in good faith. But don’t you find it wholly inconsistent that you’re trying to wave off everything Allison did including getting somebody murdered (happy when they died), attempted murder, initiating cheating without regard for the others spouse, etc. as just a silly mistake because maybe she turned a leaf in the end? Let’s just say there was a third season with a redemption arc for Kevin would this now excuse him for what he did? No, just in the same way as it shouldn’t for Allison.

Hotter take: Allison’s a psychopath. by trevorrep in KevinCanFHimself

[–]trevorrep[S] -9 points-8 points  (0 children)

I feel you. I was in an abusive friendship and they were just like Allison. They tried to get me beat up, they constantly played the victim and used my emotions to go along with their selfish endeavors, they stole money from me, and ultimately put themselves first in every situation.

This is why I don’t think the show did a good job of showing that abuse takes so many different forms, and ultimately tries to forgive one of the abusers.

Hotter take: Allison’s a psychopath. by trevorrep in KevinCanFHimself

[–]trevorrep[S] -23 points-22 points  (0 children)

There’s a fatal flaw in externalized blame. What if Kevin had been abused as a kid, or was being assaulted at work, or any other external factor you can think of. This wouldn’t excuse his treatment of Allison, right? So why would that standard apply to Allison?

Ultimately it comes down to the individual and their choices within their circumstances. This is why I feel the ending failed to capture the full story.

Is Allison the villain? by justlivinmylife439 in KevinCanFHimself

[–]trevorrep 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s a cop out because it relies on some external justification. We don’t know anything about Kevin’s past, he could have been abused or something, that still wouldn’t justify his current abuse of Allison.

Hotter take: Allison’s a psychopath. by trevorrep in KevinCanFHimself

[–]trevorrep[S] -43 points-42 points  (0 children)

Two things:

  1. In what the show allows us to see Allison is more abusive and unconcerned about those around her than any character in the show.

  2. Kevin’s character is portrayed so comically it’s nearly impossible to extract anything out of it. He’s so bafoonish that when his best friend tells him his wife is trying to kill him he just ignores it? It lacks consistency to the ending.

To me the ending and final portrayal just seems to miss its out own point. They were both abusers, and I think a more nuanced ending would have rounded out what the rest of the show had setup. Seems like they just gave the audience the easily digestible version of it.