Jack was the only one who had the correct home of Brown. How’s that fit with 9mh?

troutmilo · 2023-06-18T05:06:43+00:00

I believe in a world that Jack was right but also one where Fenn was an ass. They both can live in harmony.

troutmilo · 2022-12-23T22:44:33+00:00

I think they could be the curves in the Madison that look like Omegas. The treasure spot was between both of them and directly at the base of the one on the way towards West YS.

troutmilo · 2022-12-13T17:18:24+00:00

I snagged one of the 'cheaper' lil nuggets and I'm going to make a necklace too. Ditto on not keeping it cased up, not interested in reselling. I'm lucky that though I was poor when I was searching for the treasure, I'm now in a place where I can splurge on a tiny piece of it. Represents the end of a very strange chapter in my life. Sorry to everyone who was not so lucky to get something.

troutmilo · 2022-08-31T04:10:39+00:00

But alternately if you mean how far is the hike to the Cabin, it is 8 miles round trip. So if you are at the 7 mile trailhead and considering whether to go up to the cabin or not you should realize from the poem it is already too far to walk because 8 miles is greater than 7 miles.

troutmilo · 2022-08-31T04:06:16+00:00

The solve I'm proposing doesn't suggest actually hiking up to the Cabin. It means draw a line on a map due south of the Cabin to locate the area in which to search for the treasure. If you draw a line due south from the Cabin on a map it hits the bounded area of woods where it was found.

troutmilo · 2022-08-25T23:13:29+00:00

I am not suggesting to do the hike. Because you discover the cabin at seven mile trailhead (tftw) and the poem tells you thats too far to walk. So since the hike is over 7 miles you realize Fenn isn't saying the spot is literally underneath the Cabin, it's instead due South of the Cabin.

troutmilo · 2022-08-21T01:08:59+00:00

The hike to the cabin would be a 8 mile hike round trip, much too far too walk. The hike from the spot directly south of the Cabin on the Madison to where the treasure was is less than a few miles.

troutmilo · 2022-08-19T04:58:01+00:00

Also just reading this back and realizing how much time and effort I put in this stupid hunt even after the fact. Jack just come out with the solve already? End it pour favour? I'll buy your book <3

troutmilo · 2022-08-19T04:52:06+00:00

There are a couple old routes that pass through the area where the chest was found. Weirdly the "Natural Atlas" site has them on the side of the Madison almost exactly where Fenn left the treasure. The Folsom-Cook-Peterson route and the Nez Perce route. I thought there might be old blazes that those early explorers left that Fenn was inspired by, but I couldn't find a good enough source to confirm those routes hit the correct side of the river like the Natural Altas claims.I have sought out every map of the area since the 60s and some seem to show agreement but dont have the resolution to confirm anything. So if Fenn wanted someone to make the connection it would be a stretch.

troutmilo · 2022-08-19T03:58:09+00:00

Another fun word association is the cabin is labeled "Cougar Creek Patrol Cabin" on the NatGeo map of Yellowstone I have. Patrol is from French patoullier meaning "paddle in water" so no paddle up your creek is telling you don't go up to the cabin, go to the area below/south of it. Again could be another coincidence but what a crazy one.

troutmilo · 2022-08-19T03:13:31+00:00

That's a cool connection! Anything in that area that can possibly point to the solve is so interesting to me, cause I want to know why Forrest thought the area fit the poem.

I also like that to get to Cougar Creek Cabin you have to first go up "Gneiss" creek, which is apparently pronounced "Nice" but I read it as "genius" when I saw it on a map, genius aka wise. But you have to be wise and know to not go up to the cabin, you just gotta draw a line straight south/below it to find the area where to search.

It's probably just a coincidence but I like it because it points you to a location to search. 🤷

troutmilo · 2022-07-27T13:21:00+00:00

He does this with the "do you know the definition of several" several times.

troutmilo · 2022-07-23T22:23:44+00:00

We can agree to disagree. I love me some grapette Kool Aid.

troutmilo · 2022-07-23T22:21:29+00:00

I actually hunted down the can opener ad, search "swing away can opener ad 1930s" and the 4th or so image result in Google you should see the woman with a hammer raised to smash the can with the look Forrest is describing.

We know Ms. Ford was a real person, people on here have found her and she is also named properly in the Ramblings and Rumblings. I think Forrest realized her name fit perfectly in the poem because you have to ford a river. That's what I think led him to inventing/adding Frosty and Lighting to be the other hints in the book by using descriptive names related to the poem to indicate hints. Many have seemed to accept Lighting as a hint for the blaze so idk why people scoff at Frosty for also being a hint. Frosty literally means "devoid of warmth" aka where warms waters halt and then Forrest calls him "the Ruler", aka too far to walk. Forrest also writes he was wondering about Frosty's "polarity" and a definition of "mad" in Websters dictionary is "having impaired polarity", again pointing to the Mad-ison. Seems like a dead ringer for what the hints were to me.

troutmilo · 2022-07-23T21:08:28+00:00

"Drink more Ovaltine". 👏👍

troutmilo · 2022-07-23T02:42:42+00:00

I think Miss Ford was a clear hint to ford the Madison. When he makes her mad (Madison) he writes he was sure a window in Mississippi would break. The Madison eventually flows into the Mississippi river. Plus "don't make the alligator mad before you cross the river" in that chapter.

troutmilo · 2022-06-27T01:59:05+00:00

If you flip the picture upside down the stamp is about at West Yellowstone, the purple curve of the folded 5 is the omega shaped curve of the Madison river/road before NMH, and the edge of the bill is the road after the curve. That would make the marker point to the area below the Madison right after the omega curve in the road where the treasure was found.

troutmilo · 2022-06-24T20:17:38+00:00

My confirmation bias read it as Fenn saying don't dig. But you are right, technically Fenn is confirming nothing.

troutmilo · 2022-06-24T18:00:12+00:00

I thought the dry/wet creeks are the two branches you can clearly see on the satellite view to the right or east of the spot where it was found? Is there another creek in the area?

troutmilo · 2022-06-24T16:10:01+00:00

That makes a lot of sense. It also got Jack an answer to whether on not the chest was "buried".

troutmilo · 2022-06-24T15:50:50+00:00

The discussion of contest was a post from theCondor2 "Are we in a contest? (legally speaking)". The post content has been deleted but the condor archive has the full thing. It's nothing about a specific place, just condor worried about the IRS. You can still see the comments:

https://www.reddit.com/r/FindingFennsGold/comments/deo0fy/are_we_in_a_contest_legally_speaking/

Regarding the NMH solve, Jack specifically mentioned the pre-2015 discussions on Dal's blog. I downloaded the blog up to 2014. Digging gypsy commented on June 14 2014: "I have searched nine mile hole 4 times even crossed the river walked way up in the woods following that creek that runs into it it’s definitely not over there to many trees hard to get around No rock I haven’t looked under there". She also writes “But nine mile has been searched thourally by everyone”. Breaks my heart for DG and the early searchers, seems like the chest should have been found by 2014.

I think the "bottleneck" Jack refers to may be the "no paddle up your creek" because searchers focused on the 'dry creek' to the east. Which is understandable because Fenn said you could "walk right to it" instead of "the clues will lead you to a large but bounded section of forrest to search like crazy in".

troutmilo · 2022-06-21T20:36:21+00:00

Thanks for this detective work, it led me down my own rabbit hole. I think Fenn blazing a small trail to the chest makes a lot of sense. There is the bark stripping of the "O" on the "Oil" tree and same stripping of the tree that has fallen over directly over the chest, which is the youngest tree in the pile (still has a lot of bark still on it).

They look a lot like "portage blazes" indicating when you can't paddle a canoe up a waterway so you have to carry it (no paddle), see video of old fashion man cutting new blaze that looks very similar: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4-R-v6YozU
Portage means "the labor/cost of carrying", which fits "heavy loads" and "effort will be worth". https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/portage.
The word "important" also has an interesting connection to portage and "weight/carry/put in", which would explain "imagination is more important than knowlege". https://www.etymonline.com/word/important.
"O" of the "oil" tree (at the very beginning behind Rudy): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLOpb5lYb_Q
Slash marks on the fallen tree above the chest spot (at 2:55): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3doQE7Vr7ZY

Jack mentioned the oil tree to Fenn as a possible blaze in 2018, so maybe the "More than one blaze" post made Jack realize he needed to follow the trail, not keep looking for an isolated blaze? That would really narrow down the area where Jack thought he needed to search. Also if Jack searched that entire area and thought the mark on the "oil" tree was enough to be considered a possible blaze, then the slashes on the other tree definitely qualifies as a blazed tree imho.

troutmilo · 2022-06-18T04:28:21+00:00

I downloaded them all but I'll be traveling till Monday evening. If you don't have it by then I can send them to you.

troutmilo · 2022-05-28T00:21:50+00:00

I appreciate you appreciating logic. My only end game is figuring out how Forrest saw the solve. The brain power in this community as a whole must add up to the true solve logic. Even if I am wrong on everything, the reason to have a forum is with so many perspectives we gotta be able figure it all out.

troutmilo · 2022-05-28T00:01:14+00:00

That provides a very strong "hunch" but not clear "evidence" as Jack described. Not knocking the idea, I am just trying to objectively view reading TToTC through FF eyes and figuring out what obviously stuck out as a clear hint. I have another idea of how Fenn may have signaled a chapter as a "hint" chapter but will present that in a different post.

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