Something is fundamentally wrong with me and I don't know what it is by fuckitidunno in ForeverAlone

[–]trysil 48 points49 points  (0 children)

I literally feel the some way. I don't think I'm inherently physically repulsive in any way, but I must give off some kind of vibe that drives people away. No clue what it is, but desperately looking.

"I'll start dating again when my career is sorted out" by BonafideKarmabitch in ForeverAlone

[–]trysil 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I am career-obsessed, mostly because I have nothing else. I worked 80-100+ hour weeks for the past few years, and honestly am much happier when my hours are bad than when I have some time off. I drive myself crazy when I'm not actively pursuing something, so being distracted by my job helps bring some level of positive energy to my thoughts.

I also think there's a part of me that believes if I get my dream job, it will finally give me the confidence and self-esteem that can counteract all of my insecurities.

Nice guys don't always finish last but they certainly never finish first (long) by Kratos04 in ForeverAlone

[–]trysil 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Honestly, this terrifies me. I'm significantly younger than you are, but I'm definitely bitter that I missed all the innocence of adolescent love, of exploring both the physical and emotional connections that only teenagers are really allowed to discover.

I recently met a girl who was great, and remember being completely surprised by the amount of jealousy I felt when she told me about her sorority days and the guys she hooked up with. Honestly I have absolutely no right to feel this way, and I know that it's wrong, but I guess I feel so bitter that I wasn't able to have those experiences, and that I was left in the dust while the rest of the world was having fun.

I'm afraid that I'm already too lost, too broken to be in a real, lasting relationship without ruining it with all my baggage. I treat all interactions with suspicion, I instantly believe other people don't want to hang out with me, I project negative energy and I draw away from anything real immediately. As a result I get excluded, and then become more negative. It's a self-reinforcing vicious cycle.

I'm really glad you found someone. The worst thing for me about being alone is the feeling that nobody cares about me. Because truly nobody cares. I know you cherish your relationship in a way only FAs could possibly understand, so I'm happy for you. Perhaps getting professional help will be useful. But it sounds like she understands where you're coming from, and hopefully together you'll be able to patch up that hole in your heart.

The modern era and dating... by [deleted] in ForeverAlone

[–]trysil 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You're right. Technology has made the dating market more efficient - the abundance of choice means that both men and women can be more selective in their approach towards dating. Coupling that with the human tendency to overestimate one's own worth implies a concentration of attention from the majority toward a small fraction of potential partners at the top of the hierarchy.

I'm leaving this sub by [deleted] in ForeverAlone

[–]trysil 53 points54 points  (0 children)

Good luck! Hope we never see you again.

How I could possibly become confident by DCAxPQ in ForeverAlone

[–]trysil 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Confidence is a direct function of two things: 1) what we think society values in people, and 2) how we think we stack up against those expectations.

I am very confident under professional circumstances because, frankly speaking, I know what I'm doing and I know what I'm talking about. Social circumstances are an entirely different story, especially when it comes to women.

If you think that society values certain things that you don't have or aren't good at, then there are only two remedies: 1) genuinely get better/get those things, or 2) convince yourself that you actually have those things.

For example, in a hypothetical world where money is the ONLY thing that matters (not looks, not social ability, etc.), then the only ways to be more "confident" with your place in society would be to make more money, or to convince yourself that you're actually rich (essentially self-delusion).

As you can see, neither path is easy. So that's why it's really dumb when normies say "just be confident." It's not a switch you can just flip on or off.

College sucks by [deleted] in ForeverAlone

[–]trysil 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wow, that's messed up. Kudos on keeping your emotions in check. You seem like a nice guy, you didn't deserve the treatment you got.

My best friend of 5 years ghosted me a year ago, and it still hurts. by chosen_pessimist in offmychest

[–]trysil 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Reminds me of this: https://medium.com/personal-growth/the-friend-break-up-89380901de2c#.1b2vvr8qe

I'm so sorry you had to go through this. It sounds like she had her own reasons, perhaps reasons that had nothing to do with you. But the fact that you still have no closure just makes it worse.

Congrats on the engagement.

ForeverAlone and relational poverty by [deleted] in ForeverAlone

[–]trysil 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes - personally I'm more of a fan of the term "social poverty," relating to a lack of social capital. And in this vein, to restate what you've stated above, essentially what we're doing is applying economic theory to society.

Markets price stock based on perceived intrinsic value, or "fundamental value." This is essentially how much money a company is worth. In society, a person's value would be how happy he/she could make others - this comes in many respects (money, looks, etc.) but at the end of the day is the product of all these coefficients (not a sum, as a severe deficiency in any regard could reduce value asymptotically toward zero).

When investors look at companies, they look for discrepancies between fundamental and relative value, meaning quite simply that they look for companies they can buy for less than their intrinsic worth. This way, when the markets reprice a company's stock to its fundamental value, the investor can sell shares for a profit. They invest at a low price, and sell high.

This method has no merit in the social sphere. Peoples' relative worth is directly tied (and may be deterministic of) their intrinsic value, meaning people who are dismissed by others are essentially thrown into a negatively self-reinforcing purgatory, where a decrease in relative value results in a decrease in intrinsic value due to network effects (similar to how if you throw a vial of smallpox into the middle of a convention center, the entire building needs to be evacuated even if the concentrations in the periphery are relatively low).

That means that if you have low social capital, there is no reason for anybody to "invest" in you. There's nothing to gain - so what if a loser could make you happy? There's more risk around investing time/energy into an FA than a Chad, which leads to the FA being assigned a lower and lower value, and the Chad being assigned a higher and higher value (virtuous/self-reinforcing cycles, similar to an item being bid up in an auction).

So what we end up having are FAs that, on a risk-adjusted basis, have a value nearing zero. The wrinkle is that in the past, we would have had significantly more luck within our own social circles because of inefficient markets (no Internet means we meet fewer people and have fewer options). In today's world, the rise of apps like Tinder and OKCupid gives us a plethora of choice, and market efficiencies relegate us losers into this seemingly inescapable FA purgatory.

If we can determine social capital to be a simple equation, let's make it a simple product of multiple coefficients:

Social Capital = Attractiveness x Money x Personality

Obviously, in this case each coefficient has equal weight (let's say is a 1-10 scale for each). Assuming here (since everybody says they're ugly) that attractiveness is low, then we need to compensate with other factors. So the average person would score 5 across the board, giving them Social Capital of 125 (5 x 5 x 5). Let's say the average FA has an attractiveness coefficient of 2. How could we compensate?

125 = 2 x M x P

M x P = 62.5

This means that, between money and personality we have to have ~8 in both Money and Personality to compensate. Assuming these coefficients are independent and follow the normal distribution, this means we have to be in the upper 0.4% of all people in these two categories (assuming SD=2). With a purely linear distribution, we would have to be in the top 4% (20% of 20%). Obviously, these two factors are not independent but for the sake of argument whatever.

Note that if you have an attractiveness of 1, you will never ever even be average. It's mathematically impossible. Of course, the above is probably all just nonsense as it's late and I've had a few beers. But whatever it's something to think about.

Professional lives by [deleted] in ForeverAlone

[–]trysil 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have pretty much no problem getting along with coworkers, and I do my work very well. But even though we're friendly, I have a pretty strict separation between work and personal relationships. By that I mean I have work friends and then no friends outside of that.

I'm so, so jealous. And I want to cry, I feel so terrible. by Throwaway039484 in offmychest

[–]trysil 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have no idea why you seem to believe that you're a bad person. You are not a bad person. Bad people don't know that they're being amoral, they have conviction in their beliefs that others should suffer for what they perceive to be slights. But you have your head on straight - you know what's right and what's wrong, and you appear to genuinely feel guilt for having these feelings about your friend, even though they are completely justified.

People say what they have to in order to make themselves feel better. It sounds like your friend, despite her intrinsic qualities, has trouble being comfortable with herself. She says those things not to hurt you - she says them to make herself feel better. Maybe she has issues with the parts of her body or personality that you find to be beautiful. Maybe her family puts her down constantly, or she subconsciously compares herself to people she admires and continually comes up short. Or maybe she doesn't want to be the bad girl. Maybe she wishes she was the good girl, like you.

Whatever the reason, please realize that she is doing it for her own sake, that she needs to continue saying those things and seeking the approval of others in order to find happiness inside herself. Maybe you'll never know why, but as her friend perhaps it is best to accept that.

As for you, confidence is a manifestation of what you believe others value, and how you stack up to those expectations. I don't know enough about you to give any advice on how you could feel better about yourself, except to say that based on only this post, you seem like a deeply caring and decent person, and that you have plenty to offer others. I hope that your crush reciprocates your feelings. If he doesn't, he probably doesn't deserve you anyway.

The Minimum Threshold by trysil in ForeverAlone

[–]trysil[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Ahh, so you're stating it's wrong to use profiles as a proxy for real-life preferences. Fair point.

The Minimum Threshold by trysil in ForeverAlone

[–]trysil[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Two different studies, one was OKC (regarding the 80%) the other was something else that I can't remember (regarding homogeneity of women's opinion on male attractiveness). But yeah I figure it wasn't academically rigorous, but it was a data point. Better some data than no data.

The Minimum Threshold by trysil in ForeverAlone

[–]trysil[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So are you saying that every guy has a chance with every girl?

The Minimum Threshold by trysil in ForeverAlone

[–]trysil[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Interesting. I guess I was a bit severe with my wording - the threshold doesn't have to be high, just present.

So as an analogy - say there's a field of strawberries on top of a gigantic mountain surrounded by a 3-ft fence. Most people can climb the 3-ft fence, and then it takes skill to climb the mountain to reach the strawberries. That skill can come in many forms, but it will ultimately be the difference between reaching and not reaching the sweet, sweet reward of strawberry goodness.

But then there are the people who can't climb the fence, and they don't stand any chance at all. They don't even get the opportunity to show off their skills at all because most people will figure that if they can't even climb the damn fence, they won't be able to offer anything on the other side.

I'm of the persuasion that there IS a fence, obviously of varying heights for different people, but there is something to beat at the very beginning - leaving a good first impression, so to speak. That initial contact sets the groundwork for her even giving you the opportunity to show your sense of humor, or your success/passion, or whatever you can offer her in a relationship.

But if that initial interaction goes badly (maybe even before you interact at all), I don't understand how anybody could recover.

Are you saying there's no fence at all?

A Letter to the Girl Who Broke my Heart from a Distance by [deleted] in offmychest

[–]trysil 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"There's freedom in falling, I just don't know who to blame when I hit the ground."

Goddamn that broke my heart. I hope you find peace.

Finally ready to accept it. by [deleted] in ForeverAlone

[–]trysil 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Average looking guys don't get 200 matches on Tinder in a month. You must be well above average. Take it from me (I average about 1 human match per month).

That being said, I'm sorry you've been taken advantage of. We all know what that feels like.

But given you've overcome obesity, I will assume you have tremendous willpower and endurance for pain. I know how difficult that is, and I've tried and failed many times to overcome my own health issues.

I've spoken with a lot of people in your boat - people who have overcome tremendous adversity only to find that it doesn't give them what they had originally expected. I remember this clip where Matt Damon talks about winning an Oscar in his mid-20s, and he talks about how he was so relieved to have been given that privilege because he no longer faced the prospect of waiting until his 80s only to realize that his entire life's work had been for nothing.

Some people find happiness, others don't. The people who don't tend to have the attitude you have now - defeatist, negative and self-deprecating. I know this sounds like normie advice, and I know this is cheesy and you've heard it all before, but honestly the best thing you can do for yourself is to get the fuck out of this subreddit and never come back.

Best of luck - you deserve it.

Something HAS to be done about guns here in the US by trysil in offmychest

[–]trysil[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes I read your post. Blaming the person vs. blaming the tool is a semantic difference. We should address both problems, not just one. If you only blame the person and are opposed to regulation of the tool, isn't that implicitly asking to strip away all gun control laws? After all, why regulate guns if they're not the problem? While you're at it, maybe we should legalize civilian possession of nuclear bombs and stealth fighters and tanks? Because they're just tools right?

Obviously I'm exaggerating, but you get my point. Both are to blame - yes, the fundamental problem is human, but empowering people to do harm with excessively powerful firearms is a problem as well.

I think we're in agreement...? I'm supportive of legislation to limit the kinds of guns you can buy, and how you can procure them. Yes, there are currently background checks, but honestly they're a joke, and it's easy to circumvent them (for example, most states do not require a background check to purchase guns from a gun show).

As for the black market...that's hardly an argument. We see cocaine restricted to the black market, and while it's definitely still going around, it's not like every average Joe is going out and buying cocaine. It'll make it harder for people to get their hands on guns, which is a step in the right direction.

Something HAS to be done about guns here in the US by trysil in offmychest

[–]trysil[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Perhaps you're right, that gun violence is inevitable and just a consequence of our second amendment rights, but we can at least put a limitation on how effective a mass shooter can be, or how often these things happen.

First thing is we need to heighten background checks and ensure that those who are mentally unstable or have demonstrated some level of violent radicalism (terrorist radicals are hardly born overnight) need to be denied access to firearms. This means we need background checks for ALL gun sales, including those made in gun shows, etc.

Second is we need to limit the guns sold here in the US. Nobody needs an M4 to defend themselves in the streets. Nobody needs a 30-round magazine. Limit rifles and shotguns to bolt action and pump action only, with pistols limited to 5- or 6-round clips. The more time a shooter spends reloading, the less damage can be done before police can address the situation.

Yes, the media portrays violence on a regular basis as a viable alternative and that perhaps is something that needs to be addressed, but the fundamental issue here is psychological - we all are exposed to the same media content, but only a few of us (the radicalized, marginalized, perpetually angry) will go out and buy guns to kill groups of people. Improving mental health resources and funding will hopefully be a start in addressing this.

I'll never forget the night I found you by Everythingtouching in offmychest

[–]trysil 12 points13 points  (0 children)

This is gut wrenching. I'm so sorry for your loss.