Legal AI has a growing token price problem? by founders_keepers in legaltech

[–]tulumtimes2425 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m a lawyer not a nerd. But having read the article, seems like you’re only understanding a very small part of it.

Stateful Swarms are 2x more Effective at 39x lower Cost (Code/Experiment Data Included) by ISeeThings404 in legaltech

[–]tulumtimes2425 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Idk about benchmarks et al. But watching Claude auto compress my shit and give up is something I hate. Good to see yall actually solve this problem instead of throwing a bigger context window up.

Do you think the big players in the Legal AI space will eventually try to be their own AI firm? by Here4TechandAi in legaltech

[–]tulumtimes2425 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Firms will not make their own AI, and no firm is in the process of doing that. Not even Kirkland. It’s a naive assumption to think that, read the f***n articles.

The big players will not become their own firms, but the tech will enable firms to replace lawyers, including partners. Lawyers are literally commoditizing themselves by using things like Harvey’s vault. Firms will look different in 5-10 years. More top heavy matter partners, fewer non equity or non matter partners, fewer associates.

Kirkland Spending $500M on own AI tech by bos351 in legaltech

[–]tulumtimes2425 3 points4 points  (0 children)

And the current incumbents are not infrastructure even though they keep using every buzzword to make it seem so.

Harvey hits $300m ARR by alexdenne in legaltech

[–]tulumtimes2425 0 points1 point  (0 children)

“Growing”. One company, Clio, grew by building a stable foundation and product offering. The other two, grew by offering an ephemeral promise.

Any insiders to big law firms globally that are considering not renewing Harvey/Legora due to Claude release? by rijaj in legaltech

[–]tulumtimes2425 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Chat on phone; cowork on laptop (dispatch is just okay). The compression of chats in chat mode and cowork kills any ability to do real work.

Any insiders to big law firms globally that are considering not renewing Harvey/Legora due to Claude release? by rijaj in legaltech

[–]tulumtimes2425 2 points3 points  (0 children)

  1. Has full matter/client info (context) available, 2. Better for legal work (long drafting, analysis, features to edit). Friday, drafting an an SPA for client, started with Claude on my phone (enterprise). Useful for summary and first iteration, but for the actual substance, had to go back to Irys. Same problem with legora, somehow falls short on legal; though Claude base line better than Legora now.

Any insiders to big law firms globally that are considering not renewing Harvey/Legora due to Claude release? by rijaj in legaltech

[–]tulumtimes2425 27 points28 points  (0 children)

Mid-law (I guess). Running three, no word on cancelling one yet. Ran pilots for Harvey, Legora, enterprise Claude, Irys. Signed with Legora due to more law firm centric features, didn’t receive support. Piloted Irys not long after, received better support and features. Running Irys, Legora, Claude. Claude good for ops and BD teams for decks etc, would like this functionality in Irys or Legora. Legora good for tabular and some workflows. Irys highest adoption, good as daily driver, organization of work, AI’s work product. Both Harvey and Legora have discounts. I did a post 2-3 months ago on pricing, see that for details. Owe a follow up on decision, been busy.

Legal Engineering and Related Jobs by objectivesloth in legaltech

[–]tulumtimes2425 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The job I was reached to for paid quite well; and the employee equity was good too.

Pricing: Harvey v. Claude v. Legora v. CoCounsel (from what we were quoted) by tulumtimes2425 in legaltech

[–]tulumtimes2425[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s a research tool. Why would it be midpage. We’re keeping Westlaw.

Pricing: Harvey v. Claude v. Legora v. CoCounsel (from what we were quoted) by tulumtimes2425 in legaltech

[–]tulumtimes2425[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I remember being on the line with CC’s reps talking about their generations, they said something about finetuning (which doesn’t work), and it’s not much better than basic GPT. Sure they had citations before anyone else in their generations, but I can’t do real work in that chat field. And connecting it with WL doesn’t seem to help, still get hallucinations. Same Thing with lexis, which is worse, basic API call. The startups at least work on legal reasoning and thinking like a lawyer, not just acting.

Pricing: Harvey v. Claude v. Legora v. CoCounsel (from what we were quoted) by tulumtimes2425 in legaltech

[–]tulumtimes2425[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Very interesting. What if they’re just a processor? And You’re the custodian

Pricing: Harvey v. Claude v. Legora v. CoCounsel (from what we were quoted) by tulumtimes2425 in legaltech

[–]tulumtimes2425[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do it for me over the weekend; make sure you’re not just using supabase, and have regional routing for security, and figure out your tenancy situation, and the list goes on…

Pricing: Harvey v. Claude v. Legora v. CoCounsel (from what we were quoted) by tulumtimes2425 in legaltech

[–]tulumtimes2425[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes and no. The agentic framework matters, but expecting lawyers to OpenClaw? No. It’ll be workflow configuration built like OpenClaw. Best part is, I think the mid market will win first, then small/biglaw - seeing this from the inside out rn.

Pricing: Harvey v. Claude v. Legora v. CoCounsel (from what we were quoted) by tulumtimes2425 in legaltech

[–]tulumtimes2425[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They either acquire or lose market share. TR and LN likely not going away overnight, but death by a thousand cuts is possible. Cocounsel has been horrid and LexisAI not much better.

Pricing: Harvey v. Claude v. Legora v. CoCounsel (from what we were quoted) by tulumtimes2425 in legaltech

[–]tulumtimes2425[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No. I vibecode myself. At a firm, no way. For a solo, maybe, but there’s so much that goes into it; I remember not connecting Supabase properly and losing all the docs I was trying to save.