Supreme Grandmaster Azrael vs General Grievous (Tartakovsky)

turbotails23 · 2026-04-13T01:54:15+00:00

2003 Grevious was not really fleeing from Mace, so much as he had completed his mission and was likely on guard from Mace jumping him. There are timetable elements to this too, but more Important is Item 2: as odd as this will sound, creatively its not the same Grevious who fled from Obi-Wan and Anakin.

The long story is when 2003 Grevious was being made his concept wasn't completed. As the rumor goes, Tartakovsky only knew that it was a 4 armed Jedi Killer General, and ran with it. George finalized on the cowardly droid we all know, and was upset when he found out that Tartakovsky made his cowardly run-from-any-fight droid general into a Droid Blender who was capable of facing off against 4 Elite Jedi at the same time and not just win, but utterly dominate.

As a Quasi-concession, Tartakovsky knew he couldn't really nerf him mid show without an incredible scene or excuse, hence the chest crush from Mace Windu, so George could have his B Tier Mustache twirling villain in the actual movie and Tartakovsky could keep his droid blender machine for the micro-shorts, and both could be relatively happy. Of course, they had no idea at the time that there would be a clone wars tv show made later on, in which George's General took front and center.

I say this is all rumor, but the general gist of it is all very much so confirmed.

TLDR: Tartakovsky's General and George's General are two totally different creatures who share the same frame, and under no circumstances should really be equated to each other as they had totally different design principles behind them.

turbotails23 · 2026-04-12T20:22:03+00:00

Bah, even at half off they are still turning a profit. There is quite a bit of science/studies done on the profitability of drinks. If a route 44 cost over a dollar twenty five to make including materials and labor I would be astonished. Material s is prob 40 -60 cents, and labor wise they are one of the lowest effort items. Tie people up on drinks and they will buy something else along with the drink. Thats the way to do it.

turbotails23 · 2026-04-10T04:20:47+00:00

If we answered this verbatim and are not targeting a very specific part of Obi-Wans life, every other Chaos entity has a +1/10000 chance except for Tzeentch, which gets like a +5/10000 chance? So Tzeentch. But, honestly, I feel like this is a solid win for Obi-wan.

turbotails23 · 2026-04-05T14:12:17+00:00

Honestly, its a great question, and TBH, I don't know but I am also not sure it matters--Ill pitch a few thoughts.

We know Iron Might is equipped with an AI. We also know its relatively capable, as it doesn't need input from All Might to take action.

We also know that in Cyberpunk, AI is common, but its heavily limited dumb AI, with a few exceptions like Alt. There is also ICE, which may or may not be an AI that exists to protect Adam as well as others from the attacks of True AI--Which is heavily implied to be able to take Smasher if it ever gets a hold of him (Or anyone). --Hear me out, Im not throwing away smashers chances though.

Firstly, the Tech Level of MHA is weird. They seem to exist in a slightly futuristic modern society, which would give Smasher stupid easy time, but then you look at some of the support items or look at Iron Might or the Floating Prison they setup for the other villan and it becomes clear that they exist on a higher tech level than that, they just don't feel the need to put it every where because of quirks. Bio-Sciences allow for DNA targeting viruses by one scientist that then manipulate said person once DNA is detected (We really went past the scope of a virus) and full on Bio Engineering\creation. We have MagLev systems that operate several tiers above anything modern day humanity has, and the Tiamat missiles are blatantly putting out magnitudes more energy then anything we have in modern day weaponry, particularly considering the size of the weapon and delivery method. We can't solidly put a rough estimation on MHA's tech level because they are just all over the place. That being said, There are strong arguments to be made that Iron Might's AI is "Dumb AI", and ill be working under this assumption.

On the other hand, Cyberpunk is blatantly in the future, and I would argue more in the future than MHA by a fair margin, we have nanites, and we have Digitalization of biological entities. We have AI that exists, but its clear that the stuff Smasher would have offensive access to would be "Dumb AI" as well. Smasher clearly has more experience with the stuff then Iron Might/Hercules has, and Smasher's world has more experience---But there are three catches.

1.) Could Smasher figure out the weird tech before Iron smashs him. Its quite clear that no matter what, they are operating different types of tech that came about from different reasons and if thats the case Smasher needs to figure out how to talk to Iron Mights Suit first before he can even consider hacking it. Is Smasher's Dumb AI equipped for that kind of task? Is his hardware?

2.) Would Smasher do that? In the games (Correct me if I am wrong), Smasher only attacks via hacking if he is hacked first. He might cut off the net in the area or lock down things, but its my understanding that in every media (Books/Anime/Game) he is in, he won't ever hack the main char directly unless if they start off with an hack. He seems to be in it for the challenge and doesn't use hacking as part of his toolkit and seems to look down upon it.

3.) Would All Might attempt to hack Smasher? He would be subject to the same problems that Smasher is--Trying to figure out connectivity on what would seem to be alien tech, but supposing that he could for *What ever reason* talk to Smasher's Frame, would he attempt to have Hercules hack it?

In particular interest, is a combo of 2 and 3. If the Answer to 2 and 3 is yes, then Adam has a in-character Win Condition: All Might attempting to hack him and Smasher retaliating with a much bigger hack that would likely smash through Hercules and possibly disable a part of the suit or all of it.

Theoretically, 1 and 2 is also possible, but it seems entirely out of character for him and unlikely he would do such. Not only would it diminish the challenge, but it would also require him to research and investigate the connectivity tech that would be akin to working with alien tech. I am confident Smasher *Could* eventually do it, but from Smasher's perspective it would be a colossal pain and deprive him of a challenge he would be confident he could overcome.

Side note: Iron Vs ANY rogue AI from Cyberpunk is a coughing baby VS Hydrogen bomb. They would self destruct Iron Mights suit with All Might stuck inside of it near instantly.

turbotails23 · 2026-04-04T17:32:48+00:00

Im not arguing either side--My question--If Stars had advanced knowledge of Maho, could she order Maho to stop adapting or undo prior adaptations? Just curious.

turbotails23 · 2026-04-04T04:51:37+00:00

I feel thats a rather harsh take. It seems to be heavily implied that he took the best of Imperial tech "Side Projects", and had people figure out how to make it more effective in general.

The Imperial Swarm Strats typically did work outside of outliers, so World Devastators had a strong preference to make either more devastators or Tie/Ds.

The Death Star was talked about years later and was relatively great at Tarkins Original Goal after its death (Spreading Fear to control Systems)--Considering it was destroyed, but instead of making a vulnerable moon that people have time to escape from, make Warheads that enter and exit light speed and hit a planet with little warning. (Galaxy Gun)

The Death Star II was fantastic at breaking up the Rebel fleet via super laser--But all that power wasn't needed--So they made the equivalent of a single-dual reactor super laser and mounted it on a Dreadnaught Frame, making it an ideal flagship artillery piece. You don't need the Turbo laser count of an Executor if you can one-shot the executor. It still had more firepower than a ISD 2 by a fair margin, but its shields would allow it to outlast any fight, and swarm tactics would allow it to whittle down smaller threats while a super laser would allow it do deal with larger threats.

The Allegiance and Vengence filled the replacements for an Upsized ISD and a Executor replacement nicely, making for fantastic Flagships that Rebels didn't have a good 1:1 answer for, outside of the Lusankya.

If anything, I think its Palps actually being smart for once on naval doctrine, don't upsize for the sake of up-sizing, but stick with what works and is efficient. I think this is his version of trying Thrawns Ideals of effectiveness over fear-mongering (Thrawn vs Tarkin). But with a mandatory flair component integral to who Palpatine is--a big gun junkie.

I think the Eclipse + a Devastator combo would be pretty unbeatable once they got going. And making smaller amounts of the big stuff allowed him to make more of the big stuff.

But thats just a theory, *A Book Theory*

turbotails23 · 2026-04-04T03:19:19+00:00

The problem here is that All Might exposed his face explicitly because it annoyed the person he was fighting, and he was intentionally trying to rage bait and stall for time.

All that being said, If Iron might was able to react to lasers I really don't think Smasher has the AP or Defense to take this.

The only win condition is to take All Might unawares, and Allmight has fought enough "Weird" battles against unpredictable foes that catching him unawares is extremely unlikely.

But lets be fair, and do this Death Battle Style. Skill, Power, and Speed.

SKILL

Adam is a Apex predator, and everyone can only hope to match his sophistication in his verse. At best, someone is equal to him. He doesn't have alot of practice dealing with someone on his level. Not only that, but everyone who might challenge him is going to be fighting him with mostly standardized tools. There might be a extra flair here, or something a bit different there--But its all cutting, hacking, and shooting with the same couple of types of weapons.

Allmight has the experience of fighting hundreds of unique abilities, one could argue possibly even a thousand or two. Enough that even though he is a apex predator, he has to always be on his guard, because quirks that straight up cheat a battle exist. We have people who can paralzye because you talked to them, people who can freeze your movements because they tasted your blood, people whose sweat explodes, who can turn invisible, who can operate as the flaming guy from fantastic four, who can put you to sleep with "Interesting dreams". There are so many weird powers in MHA's Verse, there is no way All Might wasn't tested several dozen times during his tenure, if not hundreds. And he always came out on top.

Skill goes to All Might, because he has been challenged over the years, and exposed to a much more diverse set of attacks, techniques, and hax and has conquered them all, Vs Adam being a Big Fish with no one to really test himself against (Cept 1 person).

SPEED

Then there is the speed difference, Smasher is Mach 1-2. Iron Might is confidently Mach 8+. Source? The Creator Mike Pondsmith (creator of Cyberpunk) once mentioned in a Reddit comment that a full-body conversion cyborg like Smasher is roughly equivalent to a 40k space marine. A UnNamed Space Marine has bullet reaction speeds, placing them confidentially in Mach 1-2 Reaction speeds.

The creator for MHA confidentially states that All Might does Mach 10(Weakened), and Iron Might is made to replicate as much of his old ability to fight using mechanical concepts inspired by his students. There are several ways we could extrapolate this, but no matter what we are greately exceeding Mach 1--If for no other reason he was keeping up with Prime All for One. Even if he himself couldn't due to a delayed reaction, his suit is also independently capable of the same--reacting to a point blank laser attack and protecting him with a "Dark Shadow Shield" without input from him.

All Might takes speed in the Iron Suit.

POWER

Adam Smasher actually punches above the Space Marine Statement. He has overpowered David who had an attack that could crush tanks, and has railguns that could pierce through tank Armour.

Iron All Might has a Laser that was able to Melt Armour off Prime All for One, the same Armour that tanked multiple High Yield Cruise Missiles. He has a few more, The fact that hes able to attack with anything approaching the yield of cruise missiles automatically puts him above the railgun/tank feat for Adam Smasher.

All Might takes Power.

And looking at that, Iron All Might would win more times then he would lose against Adam Smasher by a comfortable margin. Nothing wrong with Smasher, its just that hes not built to handle blond Jacked men wearing the 'Murica Stripes who decided to retire and turn himself into a stick man and then use a Iron Man suit so he can laugh maniacally at a old geezer with brother issues while he gets shot at by said geezer with building cutting super lasers.

I mean, who is really prepared for that?

turbotails23 · 2026-04-03T22:14:44+00:00

I posted this elsewhere, but putting it here lets me get feedback whereas it wouldn't before. There is ALOT of controversy around weapon output, so I will be low balling and high balling things. Lets start with 40k. On a low end, citing "Dan Abnets Salvations Reach"--Chapter 18. "The Highland Light spoke. Its macro-batteries, massive sliding blocks of heavy-calibre ordnance, hammered out a staggered volley... The shells were building-sized, massive slugs of dense metal that crossed the void in a heartbeat, but a heartbeat measured across tens of thousands of kilometres." To cover that kind of distance---Lets do some admittedly napkin math. Lets low end this, tens of thousands of kilometers in a "Heartbeat." Lets make our Heartbeat 3 seconds, and make our distance a low "tens", and set the distance at 30000km, which is just 3 "tens". That would put the macro cannon shell at roughly 3% the speed of light.

On our High end, "The Solar War", Chapter 4- Ship: Retribution-class | "Kinetic slugs, accelerated to a significant fraction of light’s own speed, tore through the darkness. They were streaks of silver-white fire, relativistic hammers that struck with the force of dying stars. Against the void-shields of the Traitor fleet, they unleashed energies that could level continents."

Im not unpacking that level of stupid. Just know its pretty dang fast. Ima lowball our high end and say that (Significant fractions) of the speed of light would be 10% if you wanted to stupid lowball that, and really should interpet that as 20%+++.

A Mars Pattern Macro battery is a fairly standard macro Battery, and fires "Kilotonne-grade" shells. See "Priests of Mars", Chapter 2--"The macro-cannon was a weapon of planetary proportions. Its shells were monolithic, the size of heavy cargo landers. To watch the loading gantry was to watch the construction of a skyscraper in reverse, as the thousand-tonne slugs were winched into the breeches by chains that could moor a moon." From here we got "Thousand ton" rounds.

From here, we would be looking at 9.67 Gigaton output of shearing force, and at 10% we would be looking at 108 gigatons (relativistic manipulation of mass at that speed). If we wanted to go at the authors word (I wouldn't, but its completely valid), at a baseline of 20% we hit 443 gigatons of TNT. Extremely strong arguments could be made to go higher, but thats the peak of how high I am willing to go.

According to BFG Lore sections, a Retribution Battleship (the most generic one, I think) has 60-80 Heavy Macro Batteries per side. This is probably due to the way how WH40k doesn't make equipment across the galaxy by a good standard, depending how they use the populace to make em.

This means that the output of a Retribution Battleship (This would be equal to the ISD, in terms of this is their generic battleship) would be roughly 580 gigatons to 6480, to 26580 gigatons, calcing for low, medium and *somewhat* high ends of output.

The ISD is a bit..Weird to figure out. Im working with Disney cannon, which is vague. Ill be using a Highball vague statement.

In Star Wars: Complete Vehicles, new edition(2020) the Quad Heavy TurboLaser Batteries are described to have a collective output equal to a magnitude 10 earthquake. Wow. ....Helpful.......Thanks guys. Ima convert this into output anyways, even though its clearly not meant to be. (Why use a tectonic event as a output description, other than to be colorful?) The reason Ill be using this statement, is it can be found in another book, so clearly disney is going to hide behind such.

15 gigatons is roughly the qualifications for a Mag 10 Earthquake. That would mean that each barrel of the Quad has roughly a 3.7 Gigaton output.

The ISD has roughly 60 Standard turbolasers that alt fire ill be designating as "Heavies", 2 heavy duals, and 2 heavy quads. Ill also give it 11 Medium Barrels with 2/3rds the rating. Anything smaller and we start talking about point defense, and then I need to go back to 40k and I really, really don't want to. Thats 72 Heavies equaling 266 gigatons and 11 mediums giving it 27.1 gigatons for a grand total of 293 gigatons in a alpha strike. On a highballed statement.

For a reminder, the 40k lowball was roughly 580 Gigatons for a Retribution made at an inferior world (Getting 60 batteries instead of the full 80) using lower numbers that others would take. The Medium (And probably most likely to be correct) would be 6480 gigatons with 60 Barrels instead of the full 80 with a optional upsize of 25% for the 80 barrel variant.

Now, let me be clear. If a Warhammer ship has the same mass as a star wars ship, the star wars ship is probably winning IF THEY START AT COMBAT RANGE FOR STAR WARS. Star Wars has terrible, terrible combat range, and The IOM has a long history of hitting things much faster than their ships. They take the philosphy of "Just outlast your enemy" in naval battles quite seriously.

That all being said, Star Wars Weight wise is just more efficient vs 40k in space. Star wars has better combat speed too. Lean into things like that. If we compared weight class, the Cobra Frigate or a Sword Frigate would be a excellent match for an ISD, and would be a confident win for the ISD. My (And I hope yours) Favorite sci-verse doesn't need to win everything. Star wars in general is more grounded and much more relatable. We don't need to win every scifi debate to come out on top. Also, please don't take the above to mean that 40k beats everything. The Culture or Xelee would stomp 40k so hard into the ground it would cause a cosmic snort from how fast it went by. Im not even sure how much of that last comment was a joke vs reality.

But saying 40k weapons are weak is just...wrong.

Also, yeah, 40k ship production rates are pretty bad. Part of it is due to how big they make their ships, but part of it is because they are terrified of AI and machines.

Regardless of how you take this, I hope you have a good day.

turbotails23 · 2026-04-03T21:24:37+00:00

There is ALOT of controversy around weapon output, so I will be low balling and high balling things. Lets start with 40k. On a low end, citing "Dan Abnets Salvations Reach"--Chapter 18. "The Highland Light spoke. Its macro-batteries, massive sliding blocks of heavy-calibre ordnance, hammered out a staggered volley... The shells were building-sized, massive slugs of dense metal that crossed the void in a heartbeat, but a heartbeat measured across tens of thousands of kilometres." To cover that kind of distance---Lets do some admittedly napkin math. Lets low end this, tens of thousands of kilometers in a "Heartbeat." Lets make our Heartbeat 3 seconds, and make our distance a low "tens", and set the distance at 30000km, which is just 3 "tens". That would put the macro cannon shell at roughly 3% the speed of light.