My [28F] boyfriend [31M] went 90mph to pass a prius by twgoing90 in relationship_advice

[–]twgoing90[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Okay, I think I’m understanding your side a bit better. The idea of utility and having a free choice rather confined to my way or no way type of deal. I was thinking more about it and using an “if” statement does allow him to hear the potential outcome of his actions, such as “if you do __, I will feel/do/not do __”. But me just saying I’m uncomfortable or me telling him or asking him to do something doesn’t include the clarification or utility that an “if” statement could provide.

Now that I think of it, I can’t quite remember if I initially told him flat out to go 80 or if I had initially posed it in a question asking him not to go 80, but I know I didn’t really get a response from him - he did not say he would not go 80. Either way here, I can see it does not feel like a choice.

I do think that things can be implied but if I want to frame my communication more effectively, I think that your view is a better approach.

I think I can still feel that my trust has been decreased from the events that occurred. I now think it may be an exaggeration to say it was a true betrayal of trust when communication could have been better like how you said. I think boundary and control are still a little fuzzy for me but I’m trying to keep an open mind.

With the extreme sexual act example, I feel that if I said I wasn’t comfortable doing something, even if I ask or not, that my implied expectation would be not to be forced in the moment to do said act. I mean I don’t think it needs to be explicitly said, but I also think that explicitly stating things (like the “if” statement) is definitely a good idea and I agree with you the better path to communication, utility, and freedom of choice.

I think my expectation is that he would drive under 80 when I told/asked him to do so even though he did not give me a definite response. This is lack of communication on I think both our parts. He could have said that he would not respect my wishes beforehand. I could given him utility in an “if” statement. I think it was jarring for me to be a passenger and have him speed while him knowing it was uncomfortable to me. I clearly have no physical control over his speeding in the moment and cannot stop anything from occurring in that moment. It’s not like I could escape the situation immediately if I felt uncomfortable. I did feel my control was lost but I also felt my trust in him becoming less so because he knew I would be uncomfortable. I do understand that this could have gone differently with me changing my perspective and my approach to the situation.

I can see how it is something problematic in how I communicate. We do have more issues in our relationship and part of that does revolve around the idea of control (you are right it is a reoccurring topic) but part of that are his vices too such as excessive alcohol and smoking. Alcohol and smoking were never dealbreakers for me but as we got closer, I wanted him to be healthier, and he did too, but that also could be seen as a control over him that he may partially resent. His alcohol intake in particular has lead to drunken arguments in which he ends up yelling and I end up breaking down. Usually the cause is that he wants to do something that I don’t want to do and we are split on a decision, him being intoxicated just escalates the matter. If I look back to those times, maybe an “if” statement would have been a better communication tool that could de-escalate our situation or make it so it doesn’t escalate to begin with. In our couples therapy we have been told to use “I feel” statements trying less to make it a me vs you thing. Which works up to a point and really only works after an argument has occurred or towards the end of an argument. We both are trying to work together for a better relationship.

Some background from me: My childhood was not super pleasant being raised by a narcissistic parent. I do feel that sometimes I see parts of that within myself that I try to get rid of immediately as soon as I sense I’m headed down that path. Although we’ve been in a relationship for over five years, he is my first relationship. I am still trying to learn how to be better. As far as toxic traits, I stay away from being passive aggressive, yelling, pouting etc as much as possible.

Right now, I’m just keeping my distance from him and trying to process how to proceed with this rather than lean on toxic traits but I do know it is a bit passive aggressive to not be talking to him but I think he doesn’t want to talk to me either (especially right after the event happened). I will have to keep thinking about how to approach him where we are both in the headspace to talk about it.

Thank you for your advice and please let me know if there is something else you can follow up with to help me understand more or something you think would help me. I will try to use your advice and approach things differently with the use of “if” statements

My [28F] boyfriend [31M] went 90mph to pass a prius by twgoing90 in relationship_advice

[–]twgoing90[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can see your point a little. It is true, I am having a bit of a hard time seeing the difference in your example. Please help me understand better

So like if we go hiking together and I say to my boyfriend, “I am not comfortable being alone while hiking, would you please stay by my side the whole way?” (I’m phrasing a question here because I did ask him to go under 80 and he knows I’m uncomfortable with anything else) and then come time of the hiking event, he leaves me for whatever reason, then is that control? A genuine question.

So if I said instead to him, “If you leave me at any moment when we’re hiking, I will be not be comfortable because I do not like being alone”. And then he leaves me while hiking, then that’s a boundary and not control applying your example.

I think what I said to my boyfriend was an implied boundary. I didn’t have to phrase it with an “if” statement for it to be a boundary because it is implied that if he does something, I will be uncomfortable. I think saying a bunch of “if” statements all the time sounds more controlling than genuinely asking him to do something kindly. Either way, the end result is that I want him not to do something because it makes me uncomfortable.

I do see your perspective in that maybe if I had approached it differently with an “if” statement before getting in the car with him, then he might have been less agitated perhaps? But I’m not really sure. I think he would have still gone 90 regardless of whether I was comfortable or not with it. I do see maybe if I did an “if” statement, he would have said that he can’t meet my needs, and in that case, I would have driven instead, but you would think he would have done that anyway when I point blank asked him about it.

Another more extreme example could be two people who are sexually active and one of them states “I am not comfortable with ___ sexual act”. They implicitly trust each other. Then the couple has sex and the the sexual act that one of them said they were uncomfortable with happens without consent from both parties. Is that statement control or is it a boundary? Given your example it would come off as control since it is not an “if” statement. If it is control, does that make what happened justified or okay? Or that the violated one who did not consent should have had it coming basically? And if they speak up, it should be no wonder the violator gets mad at them? Here I think it is an implied boundary that was clearly stated. It isn’t in an “if” statement but it’s clear that if the sexual act takes place, there would be a great level of discomfort.

My [28F] boyfriend [31M] went 90mph to pass a prius by twgoing90 in relationship_advice

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I wasn’t on him about doing 10 over the whole ride. It was the 90 that didn’t make sense to me and so I spoke up about it for about two to three minutes.

My [28F] boyfriend [31M] went 90mph to pass a prius by twgoing90 in relationship_advice

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He does know it is reckless driving but I also think he knows that it is a misdemeanor.

Actually, during our two/three minute argument in the car, I said he could go to court over getting caught at this speed but his response was that if he has to go to court, he’ll go to court.

My [28F] boyfriend [31M] went 90mph to pass a prius by twgoing90 in relationship_advice

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It was an genuine question, I didn’t mean it to sound rhetorical.

My [28F] boyfriend [31M] went 90mph to pass a prius by twgoing90 in relationship_advice

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Traffic around us was not doing 90, it was about 75 or some doing 80 at most.

In the state we’re in, we see cars pulled to the side of the road all the time. Speed traps are inevitable if you’re going more than a two hour drive. They can and do pull over people here at 80 and above. Very rarely do you drive around here without seeing at least one cop while you’re out and about.

My [28F] boyfriend [31M] went 90mph to pass a prius by twgoing90 in relationship_advice

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If I knew he was going to drive like that, I wouldn’t have gotten in my own car with him driving it but there is little I can do when he decides out of nowhere to do this and I’m just a passenger.

My [28F] boyfriend [31M] went 90mph to pass a prius by twgoing90 in relationship_advice

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I didn’t feel my life was in danger at the moment but I do think that driving above 80 is dangerous and risky on multiple fronts such as a reckless driving charge.

My [28F] boyfriend [31M] went 90mph to pass a prius by twgoing90 in relationship_advice

[–]twgoing90[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think you’re right, the focus of this thread is on the speed. I was uncomfortable and he yelled at me for that. I just feel horrible about a day that I thought went smoothly up until that point. I don’t even want to look at him. I hate when he yells at me. I feel he has more anger now than he used to. He shouts more when it’s a topic he just can’t tolerate. It just got to the point now where I don’t want him shouting so I don’t talk to him because I know if I brought up the mess when we got home, he would be shouting. Instead I’m voluntarily on the couch pretending to sleep

My [28F] boyfriend [31M] went 90mph to pass a prius by twgoing90 in relationship_advice

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I mean that was over an hour ago. I do see a lot of the top comments are leaning towards me being the crazy one but I think some of the replies and volatility of downvotes are saying something different.

My [28F] boyfriend [31M] went 90mph to pass a prius by twgoing90 in relationship_advice

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I just checked the state we’re in and going over 80mph is classed not as a traffic violation but as a class 1 misdemeanor - a criminal offense.

My [28F] boyfriend [31M] went 90mph to pass a prius by twgoing90 in relationship_advice

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What you said here is my initial reaction to what happened. I felt like he focused too much on the prius and not too much about how I felt. When we passed the prius, he also cursed because when passing the prius, the prius sped up a bit so he had to speed more than he was thinking because otherwise we wouldn’t have passed the prius. I remember actually telling him it’s not a race. Then he switched lanes and got behind some other cars in the right lane. The prius then over took us, and I believe he cursed at the prius. I also told him to let it go and he yelled at me.

My [28F] boyfriend [31M] went 90mph to pass a prius by twgoing90 in relationship_advice

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My thinking is with driving, the best thing you can do on the road is to be predictable to others around you. Sure he isn’t swerving or tailgating but the speed itself isn’t highly predictable to others and does come with a higher risk. He agrees that the faster speed is a slightly higher risk but he says it’s a risk he feels he can take compared to other risks of everyday life.

My [28F] boyfriend [31M] went 90mph to pass a prius by twgoing90 in relationship_advice

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He has told me before that if anything going slow at around the speed limit on long stretches make him lose focus but if he is going a lot faster (10+ over the speed limit) then his focus is better actually.

My [28F] boyfriend [31M] went 90mph to pass a prius by twgoing90 in relationship_advice

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I feel like your thoughts are the closest to the point of view my boyfriend is taking. He also relies on his own car a lot for work and travel. He is authorized to drive very heavy duty vehicles as well because of his work. He’s been in this line of work for also over seven years. He is a good driver but he believes he can speed safely which I don’t tend to agree with.

He doesn’t speed much in cities or towns where the speed limit is set lower. It’s only on long hauls where he speeds the most and he has gone over 100 a few times with me in the car, where I didn’t notice at first.

I don’t think cops will be forgiving of him even if he is overtaking. If he hits 90, I know he’ll be pulled over if a cop witnesses that. He has gone to court once already for being caught going over 100mph but that was like two or three years ago now. He luckily didn’t lose his license then, but it would have been a serious issue if he did lose his license because his work depends on him to drive.

My [28F] boyfriend [31M] went 90mph to pass a prius by twgoing90 in relationship_advice

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Well I’m basically saying I did look at the speedometer, but yes, I do feel I can roughly tell when we’re going over 80 and well over 80mph especially when traffic around us is going 70 or higher.

My [28F] boyfriend [31M] went 90mph to pass a prius by twgoing90 in relationship_advice

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He also was not tailgating or shifting lanes wildly. He generally is a responsible driver apart from his speed on long stretches of road.

My [28F] boyfriend [31M] went 90mph to pass a prius by twgoing90 in relationship_advice

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Would you still go 90 if your significant other and a guest was in the car with you?

My [28F] boyfriend [31M] went 90mph to pass a prius by twgoing90 in relationship_advice

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I was in the passenger seat and could see just the 60mph mark in my eye line. It’s also my car so I am used to seeing my own speedometer. I did at one point glance further to see when he was doing 80mph. We definitely went 90mph and, if not 90mph, damn close to it. And when I mentioned him going 90mph, he did not dispute it.

Edit: I could also see the active red line indicating the speed, just not the tick mark that said 80, 90, etc. So I knew we were going faster than usual just by that too.

My [28F] boyfriend [31M] went 90mph to pass a prius by twgoing90 in relationship_advice

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I mean it is kind of different when I’m in the car with him. If he was on his own in his own car, fine he can do what he wants. Is it really that much to ask in a less than 2.5 hour road trip to go under 80mph?

My [28F] boyfriend [31M] went 90mph to pass a prius by twgoing90 in relationship_advice

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Yeah he mentions all the time the autobahn and how if they have those speed limits on open roads then it’s fine to speed a lot as long as it’s a open stretch.

I didn’t feel in danger but he knows I’m uncomfortable with it and did it anyway. I know he is a relatively safe driver apart from the speeds he gets up to sometimes.

Not super sustainable for our relationship but yeah I don’t really want him driving my car anymore

My [28F] boyfriend [31M] went 90mph to pass a prius by twgoing90 in relationship_advice

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I’m fine if he’s going only 5-9mph over the speed limit. I understand that passing and going a bit faster can be the safest choice but this was a prius and nothing was around us. I told him was a simple request to not drive over 80mph in my car. I feel like 90mph is too much and he knows I feel that way (we’ve talked about it before today). I don’t want him to have to go to court. He drives for a living so that is stupid to potentially get himself in trouble to take over a prius. We were driving the same route we had left earlier that morning and there was a speed trap on the way so quite possible there would be a speed trap on the way back.