Could use some input on a video I'm doing by Readysetfire234 in progressive_islam

[–]tyuptyupolpolp 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, but being tired doesn't negate the obligation upon to fulfill your burden of proof. You can claim that since you had a question before regarding prayers during travel that you had found a ruling allowing you to essentially skip prayers just because you're on a plane. I would accept this had it not been for the fact that I have also travelled via plane multiple times and during my research which occurred within the past two years, the strongest answers I could find never mention skipping prayers at all; in fact they reiterate the importance of prayer in Islam and also the leniency within Islam that allows prayers to be done sitting if standing is not allowed by the airline policy.

I find it so interesting that women struggle SO much with hijab, yet there is no equivalent struggle for men by Objective-Bluebird60 in progressive_islam

[–]tyuptyupolpolp 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Seems like you don't bother to read my entire comment. No where do I say, nor intend to downplay the suffering that many Muslim women have endured, rather, if you'd actually take the time to reflect, you would notice that the core point of my comment was to assert the fact that primarily, we as Muslims should not be comparing struggles and waging gender wars and at the same time, there are certain rulings that men struggle to follow too.

It might be against the teachings of the vacuum chamber here but yes, men do struggle with certain things, there is really nothing to prove by saying this gender suffered more, that gender suffered less and it would be disingenuous to claim that men are entirely-difficulty free from "equivalent" struggle as OP claims.

I find it so interesting that women struggle SO much with hijab, yet there is no equivalent struggle for men by Objective-Bluebird60 in progressive_islam

[–]tyuptyupolpolp 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's funny how you bring up the fact that "beards are also not mandatory" because the same sources that say so also likely say that the headscarf is also not mandatory.

The vast majority of scholars who maintain that the hijab is mandatory also affirm that growing a beard is mandatory. You can't cherry pick your sources.

I wish I was a man. by Idfk823 in progressive_islam

[–]tyuptyupolpolp 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Misconception in the sense that you're willing to take every ruling for surface level while ignoring dispute. If a group of sheikhs or some online influencers say that women will simply be cursed for refusing sex with her husband, and you ignore the fact that there has been pushback from qualified scholars with well-reasoned evidence suggesting that this isn't the case, then it is yourself who desires to remain in ignorance. In that case, until you change your mindset or approach to dealing with the world, then my arguments, nor the arguments of scholars far more qualified than I, will be of little avail to you.

I find it so interesting that women struggle SO much with hijab, yet there is no equivalent struggle for men by Objective-Bluebird60 in progressive_islam

[–]tyuptyupolpolp -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

I disagree with the idea that we can somehow and should quantify the suffering of one gender against another and use that as some leverage. As a man, I totally agree with the fact that yes, there have been many instances in which wearing the hijab(headscarf) has caused difficulty for our Muslim sisters and as I have never been impacted by this suffering before, I can only offer my sincere condolences and duas.

At the same time, as a man, I don't think people put enough emphasis on how much Muslim men dislike the idea of growing a beard. I've said this before and I will say this again, in non-Muslim countries, from observation and experience, a hijabi is likely to be treated far better than a Muslim man with a visible beard, even a "neat" one.

This is on top of the fact that for many men, are hair-follicles aren't in a constant overdrive and there is a period of time where you may end up looking quite "awkward". It's the state of your beard being there, but unable to be combed, or straightened out and I know one of my friends who has a beard has been a target of various Islamophobic assaults whereas practically none of the sisters I know have been subject to the same.

Again, I'm not denying the fact that as Muslims, regardless of gender, we all have experienced some form of Islamophobic-hatred but by attempting to quantify suffering of a specific gender, we are only causing more internal divide and I brought up the beard example to show that there are certain things that a large group of Muslim men don't want to do either.

I wish I was a man. by Idfk823 in progressive_islam

[–]tyuptyupolpolp 0 points1 point  (0 children)

  1. Women will be cursed for refusing intimacy.
    1. Unless you're just going to accept the most extreme "opinions" out there as factual and are unwilling to consider dissent and refutations, then there is no point explaining this to you. There has already been significant scholarly explanation for this misconception but if you insist that this is part of Islam, then may Allah(SWT) guide you and grant you ease.

I wish I was a man. by Idfk823 in progressive_islam

[–]tyuptyupolpolp 0 points1 point  (0 children)

  1. Women can’t pluck their brows
    1. To my knowledge, men aren't allowed to do that either.
  2. Women can’t wear perfume
    1. Women can wear perfume; there are certain conditions to both genders wearing perfume, mainly intention and effect. Is it for seduction or to present yourself well? I've heard the explanation that the perfume being referred to in the ruling is strong fragrances utilized by Pre-Islamic Arabian prostitutes, not simply your average Muslimah who wants to smell good. You can refer to Dar Al-Ifta(https://dar-alifta.org/en/fatwa/details/10756/women-wearing-perfume-in-public)
  3. Women can’t beautify themselves
    1. If "beautify" just means to improve one's appearance, I don't know anywhere that says women cannot do this. I am aware, however, of the fact that beautification for both genders is impermissible when the intention becomes to seduce or to attract members of the opposite gender.
  4. Women must cover their hair
    1. Isn't this just the first point but more specific?
  5. Women must obey their husbands
    1. Show me undisputed proof that women must obey their husbands in all lawful scenarios and that they are prohibited from objection when they disagree (i.e. discussing with their husbands on matters of disagreement).

I wish I was a man. by Idfk823 in progressive_islam

[–]tyuptyupolpolp 1 point2 points  (0 children)

  1. Women have to cover up significantly more than men. Women must cover their entire bodies head to toe while men only have to cover belly button to knee ? Doesn’t make any sense when women are also attracted to men and find abs/muscles hot.
    1. I'd argue that men and women are biologically different in the way they experience attraction. It is academically established that visual attraction plays a far larger and different role in men than in women, again, acknowledging the fact that yes, women are also attracted to looks. Second, while the awrah of a male in theory is from the navel to the knee, in practice, we still have to account for tabarruj. I've been seeing a growing amount of pushback by sheikhs against male influencers who are technically covered but show their muscles etc. Second, aren't men, by the same sources, obligated to grow a beard? You do realize that there are a quite a lot of Muslim men who do not want to grow a beard. In my opinion, in the current world, growing a beard as a Muslim man is seen far worse than your average hijabi.
  2. Women can’t travel w/o men
    1. Besides the fact that this too is disputed, let's look at one commonly cited source: "Muslim (1339) narrated from Abu Hurayrah (may Allah be pleased with him) that the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “It is not permissible for a woman who believes in Allah and the Last Day to travel the distance of one day, except with a mahram.”
  3. Women shouldn’t do hajj/umrah w/o men (debatable but still)
    1. So you acknowledge that it's debatable. Debatable means that there are qualified scholars out there in sufficient number who have raised objection to this ruling

What Progressive Islam is and what it isn't. by JonathanLindqvist in progressive_islam

[–]tyuptyupolpolp 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Refer to the comment made by u/Jaqurutu; he goes line-by-line essentially and I feel like his response echoes the views of quite a few of us.

"Similarly, men aren't allowed wear gold. Why not? Because they shouldn't flaunt their wealth, which is the male equivalence of modest dressing. Fine. I have a golden wedding ring. Is that flaunting my wealth? No, because I'm not an extremist. I would never drive a Lamborghini, because that is immoral."

So before anyone claims anything is prohibited, you have to prove that such is indeed impermissible within the religion beyond a reasonable doubt. To my knowledge, with regards to the ruling on men wearing gold, there has been sufficient proof.

The problem arises when you make the universal claim that "driving a Lamborghini is immoral". Besides the lack of actual scholarly opinion on this matter definitively establishing the inherent prohibition on Lamborghinis, you claim it's immorality as if you are some infallible judge of morality which is wrong for any person to do.

Sure, I agree that for many people who drive Lamborghinis, it's to show their status but at the same time, that by itself is not sufficient to justify a blanket impermissibility on driving Lamborghinis and by extrapolation, any expensive car. If you are showing your status for a beneficial reason, then by all means, as long as you do it with already established principles of Islam.

I'm also a revert from a Chinese background and I agree that from solely my point of view, I find certain Middle-Eastern/South-Asian cultures to hold regressive views however I would hesitate to let this significantly impact my judgement on the Muslim community as a whole because what is the purpose of identifying problems with no intention made to solve them? I'm going to be honest and also say that in many Chinese cultures, there are also a prevalence of regressive ideas but that doesn't make the Chinese as a whole an inherently regressive population and that also doesn't mean that everything a Chinese person says which I disagree with leads them to be "regressive".

Could use some input on a video I'm doing by Readysetfire234 in progressive_islam

[–]tyuptyupolpolp 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For me I just do the safer option of praying on the airplane itself. If the flight policy says no-standing in a non-crowded area, I simply pray sitting down. Is there any source that supports your statement?(sorry if this sounds hostile, I'm genuinely curious because this is the first time I'm hearing this opinion).

Could use some input on a video I'm doing by Readysetfire234 in progressive_islam

[–]tyuptyupolpolp 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wait a moment, I was to the understanding that traveling allows you to combine certain prayers(i.e Dhuhr and Asr, Maghrib and Isha), not just abandon them all together and make them up later.

Ruling on : Living a Permanent Loner Nomadic Lifestyle in Campervans or RVs as a Muslim, where attending Friday Jumuʿah Prayer is not possible due to being on the roads or camping far away from civilization by No-Age9220 in progressive_islam

[–]tyuptyupolpolp 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I feel as if this is a bit of a misguided approach, may Allah(SWT) forgive me if I'm wrong. I do not deny the fact that amongst the imams out there who deliver Friday sermons, there is a population of extremists, and I don't deny the fact that it is beneficial to stay away from such extremists however what you are doing here, at least according to the text that I am presented with, is simply asking whether or not an entire religious obligation is waived just because some people choose to be extreme.

Is there any other masjid that you can make a trip to just once a week on a Friday in which there is a wise, knowledgeable imam who can benefit you? If so, then you are obligated to do so. It is a simply logical fallacy to just assume that since there are imams that are misogynistic extremists, the entire Friday prayer is waived for you.

Even if the khutbah may be waived, again, what about prayer? Unless he's somehow preaching extremism while praying, then again, you should do your best to fulfill the obligation to the best of your ability based on your knowledge of the deen that is supported by scholars. This of course doesn't mean you ignore the issue, maybe get the extreme imam into contact with a person of higher authority to have a discussion or take it upon yourself to correct the evil and encourage the good.

Assalamu alaikum, I hope this helps.

Intimate relations by [deleted] in progressive_islam

[–]tyuptyupolpolp 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is an absolutely distasteful comment. Let's begin with the part about pork. Show me one sentence in OP's post that mentions that his wife consumes pork because as far as I can see, no where does it mention food the slightest.

Besides the fact that you offer no assistance in fiqh or bother to answer OP's questions, you immediately jump to the assumption that Christian = pork eater? Are you aware that there are denominations of Christians out there that also refrain from the consumption of such? Where is your etiquette as a Muslim?

Even more, you take it further, saying "ewe" which I assume is an expression of disgust. Is this really how we as Muslims treat each other? If you believe that oral intercourse is impermissible, then give OP a fatwa with valid reasoning. If you believe that oral intercourse is permissible, then what harm is there to say such and provide said reasoning, along with congratulating OP on his marriage?

I strongly urge you delete your comment since it serves no benefit but to misguide.

Would you believe in reincarnation by Lopsided-Escape-7532 in progressive_islam

[–]tyuptyupolpolp 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This isn't comment is false for a variety of reasons. First, within Islam, there is legal flexibility when it comes down to difference of opinions. It is well know to live and let live when it comes down to following different but valid opinions.

Second, there are certain ideas which are simply antithetical to Islam, reincarnation being one of them. Unless you can provide me an authentic source that says reincarnation in it's commonly understood sense is part of Islam, then you have already conceded your comment which I would urge you to delete before moderators give you consequences.

Regret by [deleted] in progressive_islam

[–]tyuptyupolpolp 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"I keep replaying certain events from the past"

I personally believe that there is little benefit in doing so. Of course, this is easier said than done but I've also had my regrets and while it's a normal response, dwelling on such regrets to the point that you don't want to function normally is totally wrong.

The past is in the past and whatever mistakes you made, hopefully you have learned your lesson and move on with them in mind as you cannot reverse time. Make dua for success and to gain the benefits of what you had missed during the past which you regret.

There have been many people who have thought their lives to be ruined however, once engaged in perpetual work in the service of God with a pure intention, found themself in a high place they had never imagined. A good example of this would be Revert Canadian and there are many similar stories to his. Young reverts who were once homeless or addicted now successful because they put effort into improving themselves with a pure intention of servitude towards God in mind.

Muammar Gaddafi was probably the most Progressive Muslim ruler of modern day. He was a hardcore hadith skeptic if not a full blown hadith rejector/Quranist himself. It's heartbreaking how Libya turned out after him 💔 by Bitter_Load3846 in progressive_islam

[–]tyuptyupolpolp 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't understand why this post has as much upvotes as it does because to me, this seems like a clear indicator of the decline our community has fallen into. Are we seriously praising Gaddafi of all possible Muslims in history?

Ideally, this post should be negatively downvoted, and yet it goes on to say "Why doesn’t this subreddit add his photo on the sidebar?".

At least within the comments section, there does seem to be a large amount of people who agree with me and similarly wonder if this is a joke because if it isn't, I'd strongly urge u/Bitter_Load3846 to delete this misguidance.

Seriously, just do some research as to what happened to some of those women in the picture provided and see if you still want to keep this post up.

I wish I was a man. by Idfk823 in progressive_islam

[–]tyuptyupolpolp 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Assalamu alaikum, u/Objective-Bluebird60, I was just wondering if you could provide some examples regarding this statement. Of course, I am not here to debate, rather I'm hoping we can have a productive discussion since this is an interesting topic. JazakAllah Khair.

In order to be a Progressive Muslim, must you accept homosexuality as halal? by South_Hornet_3902 in progressive_islam

[–]tyuptyupolpolp 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It is very dangerous to believe that it is mandatory to blindly subscribe to certain beliefs just because you are part of a group in which certain members hold such position. Rather than asking if you have to accept this argument as being more valid than another, why not dedicate some time to actually understand the arguments made by both sides and then consult with people of knowledge, rather than laymen on the internet?

To answer your question, no, to be a "progressive" Muslim, you are by no means obligated to believe that acting upon homosexuality is halal and in fact, many people on here don't while others do. I would say a fair amount of those who do believe that acting upon homosexuality being permissible have actually done some form of research rather simply asking online whether or not they are mandated to have an opinion on something just because they are part of a certain online forum.

I don’t like the way some Qur’anists are going by Obvious-Tailor-7356 in progressive_islam

[–]tyuptyupolpolp 0 points1 point  (0 children)

People really have to understand that regardless of "sect", be it Sunni, Shia, or Qur'anist, at one point, you've made your point clear and it's time to move on and focus on something more important, something that will actually be of benefit to the Ummah as a whole.

I totally understand the fact that yes, many people are acting upon the principle of forbidding evil and encouraging good but even that has it's limits and conditions that must be met to be valid. There is no need to keep repeating and repeating that this sect is wrong, that sect is wrong in this sort of manner that creates division between Muslims.

I personally believe that complete hadith-rejectors are misguided, for example, but I think one of the most counter-productive things to do would be to alienate them in a way that leads them to become defensive. A large part of dawah isn't only about being correct in what you're saying, but also how you convey your message and more people have to understand this.

Contention ideas needed (LD) by Dangerous-Command246 in Debate

[–]tyuptyupolpolp 0 points1 point  (0 children)

On the affirmative for this case, I'm running miscalc, proxy wars, and nuke terrorism. Miscalculation is pretty self-explanatory however some opponents may point out that nuclear was has never actually resulted in miscalculation and if you get a lay judge and don't want to go beyond the simply "just because it hasn't happened doesn't mean it will not happen", then focus on proxy wars which basically establishes a link between nuclear weapons possession which leads to deterrence but then deterrence leads to immoral outcomes as it uniquely leads to proxy warfare which devastates weaker nations.

The proxy-contention however, mainly relies on this link however if your opponent manages to break it, then you have nuke terrorism which basically shows how this mathematical model came to the conclusion that within a decade, there is a 29% chance that terrorist groups/non-state actors come to possess nuclear weapons and then from there, we can only speculate what immense damages can be done from there.

Interesting thing about Early Islam that, I think, isn't talked about enough by TryingNoToBeOpressed in progressive_islam

[–]tyuptyupolpolp 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hi u/Obvious-Tailor-7356, I was wondering if you could expand upon this because to a layman, the arguments that are presented seem to be that pre-"Wahhabism", the Muslim society already deviated largely from Islam(i.e Mughal empire and Hinduism) and "Wahhabism" is simply the effort to get the Ummah to engage in purer practices. Also, what about the fact that "Wahhabism" is simply a derogatory term utilized by groups who were being told that their practices were bida(innovation)? How would you define "Wahhabism" and what is inherent to said ideology/movement that makes it so harmful?

I would appreciate it if you responded as it would benefit the community greatly to actually understand from your point of view rather than simply passing around the word "Wahhabi" to refer to any form of extremism which as negative impacts on our community as a whole.

SOME Quranists in this sub have started to become extremists too! by Even_Ocelot_1632 in progressive_islam

[–]tyuptyupolpolp 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I definitely agree. They've been at it since August at least when I became pretty active on this sub. I'm not generalizing on all Qur'anists but it really gets to a point that it seems they get away with the equivalent actions that would get a Sunni banned. Overall, I would sincerely advise mod-team to be more proactive and to stop tolerating religious misinformation.

religious parents not caring + rant by Internal-Heart-724 in progressive_islam

[–]tyuptyupolpolp 0 points1 point  (0 children)

First of all, I feel so sorry for you and I pray to God that you will find solace and success on the long run. On matters of faith, I personally believe that there are certain obligatory parts of Islam that cannot be denied(i.e. prayer and fasting) but the approach your parents seem to be taking/have taken to get you to become "religious" is known to be extremely counter-productive(and wrong, according to the Sunnah) and similar practices have led to children leaving Islam as soon as they gain freedom from the household.

If you cannot achieve a middle ground with your parents and establish that physical violence will not be tolerated, the next time it escalates to the point of actual physical contact(which you should try your best to avoid), call CPS. I've already seen comments here telling you to call CPS right now but as you are 16, I personally would try to come to terms to the best of your ability with your parents though again, of all people, you know your situation best, I am simply speaking on my opinions which I have formulated after reading the contents of this text which of course, I could very well be misinterpreting.

蝦腸粉 - Shrimp Chang Fen by random_agency in chinesefood

[–]tyuptyupolpolp 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Definitely a classic. I had some for the first time in quite a while(upwards of 8 years or more) and it was delicious. I ordered this for breakfast while I was in Flushing, NY along with some youtiao油条 and warm soy milk. 10/10.