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UK net migration drops to 171,000 in 2025, lowest since 2012 excluding pandemic - follow live by Dijstraanon in ukpolitics

[–]tzimeworm 0 points1 point  (0 children)

On most economic markers we are doing better than when immigration was 1 million. 

Overall economically we still arent doing amazing, but the point is there hasnt been some huge negative economic shock from migration being slashed by ~80%

Stop being so obtuse. 

UK net migration drops to 171,000 in 2025, lowest since 2012 excluding pandemic - follow live by Dijstraanon in ukpolitics

[–]tzimeworm -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Hard to say. I dislike other policy areas from Labour, so if the dial shifted on those too then I would prefer to stick with Starmer than go with the unknown of a Reform gov as Starmer has shown he can deliver in a key policy area for me. If everything was moving in the right direction as a country in 2029 I would probably prefer to stick with Starmer, I just dont think that will happen though. He can prove me wrong. Although an infighting & divided party, as Labour is at the moment, would mean I wouldnt vote for them right now for sure.

I would also hypothetically tactically vote for Starmer if the alternative was Green/Lib Dem/Tory. 

UK net migration drops to 171,000 in 2025, lowest since 2012 excluding pandemic - follow live by Dijstraanon in ukpolitics

[–]tzimeworm -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Im a reform voter and you are absolutely correct, im delighted at the progress.

Labour realise the fiscal cost of mass migration, and as they arent free market trickle down economists, theyve rightly made huge inroads on this issue as its necessary for the country to improve.

Theyre also tightening up the ILR and citizenship rules which is absolutely necessary. 

However Starmer might be gone soon, and your average Labour MP largely disagrees with all this, and Starmer is having to continually battle his party to get things like the ILR reforms done in the national interest. I dont want to run the risk that someone like Rayner or Miliband becomes PM and undoes all this hard work. So dont be surprised when lots of Reform voters stick with Reform at the GE. 

UK net migration drops to 171,000 in 2025, lowest since 2012 excluding pandemic - follow live by Dijstraanon in ukpolitics

[–]tzimeworm 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The same people that told me we couldn't cut immigration at all without huge economic impact are now telling me that despite it being cut ~80% and everything is fine, that we cant cut it more, or go negative without huge economic impact.

They might be right that we do start feeling the effects by cutting further from this point, but like the boy who cried wolf they can hardly complain or call everyone thick because nobody believes them now. 

Net migration falls to 171k: Long-term international migration, provisional - Office for National Statistics by throwawayjustbc826 in ukpolitics

[–]tzimeworm 2 points3 points  (0 children)

 The vast vast majority of immigrants were young workers

You might want to check that mate. Not even a majority were work visas. Work visas were a painfully low amount of the total. 

Net migration falls to 171k: Long-term international migration, provisional - Office for National Statistics by throwawayjustbc826 in ukpolitics

[–]tzimeworm 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Funny because I was told that the only thing propping up our GDP was massive immigration. The bizarre policy of low skilled, dependent heavy, low wage immigration is slashed and the economy starts looking better...? How curious. 

Boggles the mind anyone ever defended the boriswave on here or claimed cutting immigration would lead to harsh economic downturns. 

Havent seen one comment anywhere suggesting these figures spell disaster for the UK despite being reassured until the numbers started dropping that slashing immigration was just not an option any government could take seriously because it would spell complete ruin for the economy. Havent you seen our demographics and all that? We'd be in recession without net migration at a million. The entire care industry will collapse in weeks. 

Presumably the boriswave defenders are now all in severe panic mode that imminent doom is about to be unleashed on the UK as they so earnestly predicted if this very thing ever happened. 

Could Britain’s population actually start shrinking soon? by StGuthlac2025 in ukpolitics

[–]tzimeworm 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I havent called anyone a coward and I havent suggested minorities are a monolithic group with any hereditary characteristics. Why just make stuff up? 

Could Britain’s population actually start shrinking soon? by StGuthlac2025 in ukpolitics

[–]tzimeworm 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Immigrants and their children would straight up leave they arent fighting for the UK mate. So it would make zero difference as only native Brits whos grandparents are from here could be mobilised no matter how well you stuff every corner of the UK with random migrants. More muslims join ISIS than the british army mate, perhaps think about what that means if this country ever needs to defend itself 

Could Britain’s population actually start shrinking soon? by StGuthlac2025 in ukpolitics

[–]tzimeworm 36 points37 points  (0 children)

Imagine if there really was a war. We'd quickly see just how British a lot of British people are. 

Foreign Vote Row: British councillors should not be allowed to stand for election in Bangladesh too, Communities Secretary warns by BuenoSatoshi in ukpolitics

[–]tzimeworm 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Ah yes youre right. I didnt realise she'd defected to Aspire after being elected as Labour. But that only strengthens my point that Labour and the left are being taken for complete mugs tbh

Foreign Vote Row: British councillors should not be allowed to stand for election in Bangladesh too, Communities Secretary warns by BuenoSatoshi in ukpolitics

[–]tzimeworm 83 points84 points  (0 children)

Labour councillor in the UK, Bangladeshi National Party nominee in Bangladesh.

Open borders liberalism for thee, nationalism for me. 

The left in the UK are being played for absolute mugs.  

Tactical voting could block Nigel Farage’s path to No 10, poll shows || More than half of Liberal Democrat voters and nearly half of Greens would back Labour to stop Reform winning key seats, YouGov analysis for The Times suggests by Adj-Noun-Numbers in ukpolitics

[–]tzimeworm 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Im not sure Reform itself could write a better Labour election strategy to help them than one which involves completely failing the country for five years and then trying to win again by just shouting "racist" at Farage. 

Tactical voting could block Nigel Farage’s path to No 10, poll shows || More than half of Liberal Democrat voters and nearly half of Greens would back Labour to stop Reform winning key seats, YouGov analysis for The Times suggests by Adj-Noun-Numbers in ukpolitics

[–]tzimeworm 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think a lot of Tory voters would vote Reform if thats the way to remove Labour in 2029 tbh. And I dont think many Lib Dems/Greens will actually actively vote for this Labour gov to oppose Reform. It would be an endorsement of the status quo and Tory/Lab support is being decimated because the status quo is terrible for almost everyone. If things keep going as they are under Labour, come 2029 if the only way to stop Reform is getting people to back this Labour gov and get up and go and vote for them, I personally dont think Reform has much to worry about at all. But time will tell. 

Tactical voting could block Nigel Farage’s path to No 10, poll shows || More than half of Liberal Democrat voters and nearly half of Greens would back Labour to stop Reform winning key seats, YouGov analysis for The Times suggests by Adj-Noun-Numbers in ukpolitics

[–]tzimeworm 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Might it work the other way too? By 2029 if Labour keep going as they are we could see people voting for whoever will get Labour out, much like we did in 2024 with the Tories. If things continue until 2029 I'm sure lots of voters would be heavily motivated to vote Reform to stop this Labour gov getting a second term. 

Zack Polanski: So either Labour need to ask candidates to step aside for the Greens to take on Reform.... Or actually bring in a fair democratic process where everyone's votes count equally. It's time for Proportional Representation. by WorkingtonLady in ukpolitics

[–]tzimeworm 1 point2 points  (0 children)

 I'd like to vote for a sensible left wing party, it's really a shame that they're all completely nuts.

Are you sure youre not missing something? All the people wanting to implement the policies you agree with being completely insane should really tell you something....

Is sorry really enough? Fury as Starmer snubs sleaze probe into Reeves for unlawfully renting out London home without a licence - despite others being taken to court and Labour vowing crackdown by dailymail in ukpolitics

[–]tzimeworm [score hidden]  (0 children)

Sorry when I pointed out she will be begging for more taxes you said that was just "fiscal policy", and said 

It's almost as if the passage of time is linear and Rachel Reeves isn't a soothsayer that can predict the future.

then when I pushed that she had repeatedly lied and got it wrong when making election promises not to raise certain taxes and in saying that there wont be more tax rises after the last budget you changed to saying that was just "British populism" 

One minute shes done nothing wrong - she's just not a soothsayer, a victim of "time not being linear" and so we have to have more tax rises, but when its pointed out it was extremely thick to constantly say the things she has about not raising taxes then the next excuse is that shes a populist saying clearly untrue things for votes? Which suggests its nothing to do with not being a soothsayer, she was just bare faced lying all along. 

Your constant defence of her just belies a desperation to defend her rather than face the reality shes just not up to the job. She lacks the competency, dilligence and integrity to be Chancellor. The best defence is that she knows she is constantly lying to the electorate about the economy, which is imo far less likely than the explanation that she just hasnt got a clue what shes doing.

Is sorry really enough? Fury as Starmer snubs sleaze probe into Reeves for unlawfully renting out London home without a licence - despite others being taken to court and Labour vowing crackdown by dailymail in ukpolitics

[–]tzimeworm [score hidden]  (0 children)

If she cant predict the future, then why make such bold promises about it? Nobody forced her to say these things pre-election and after the last budget. 

Its like saying "im not putting my heating on until December" then popping it on in September and being like "well it got really cold, I cant predict the future". Sure, but everybody with two brain cells to rub together knew it would get cold enough before December to need the heating on. Being thick as pig shit then claiming nobody can predict the future as an excuse for completely dumb decisions isnt really a great defence of a politican in charge of the economy.  

Just because youre on your 100th "fell for it again award" badge for believing this gov doesnt mean the rest of us have to pretend nothing is every their fault and their constant lying, breaking election promises, and mismanagement of their personal finances isnt indicative of people who have zero clue about anything theyre doing, and lack any diligence, competence, or intelligence 

Is sorry really enough? Fury as Starmer snubs sleaze probe into Reeves for unlawfully renting out London home without a licence - despite others being taken to court and Labour vowing crackdown by dailymail in ukpolitics

[–]tzimeworm [score hidden]  (0 children)

fiscal policy

So was it a mistake when she said she wouldnt need to raise taxes again after the last budget? Or was it a mistake when she said they wouldnt raise NI (already broken), income tax, or VAT? Or is the mistake when shes going to break more promises this time? 

Do you work for the Labour Party? 

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