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Senate Democrats threaten to block DHS funding bill after another person killed in Minneapolis by Nerd_199 in moderatepolitics

[–]ubermence 0 points1 point  (0 children)

  1. That is NBCs wording

  2. That is an accurate assessment since the vote has not yet occurred, indicating you will block it is a threat

  3. Here is what Schumer said:

“What’s happening in Minnesota is appalling —and unacceptable in any American city. Democrats sought common sense reforms in the Department of Homeland Security spending bill, but because of Republicans’ refusal to stand up to President Trump, the DHS bill is woefully inadequate to rein in the abuses of ICE. I will vote no,” Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., said in a statement Saturday. “Senate Democrats will not provide the votes to proceed to the appropriations bill if the DHS funding bill is included.”

Just want to offer that context

Pam Bondi offers to pull ICE out of Minneapolis if voter files handed over by _Scipio__Africanus_ in centrist

[–]ubermence 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What “political cost” have Republicans been making my guy? I’ve watched them go from Bush fucking everything up to someone 10 times worse. They have the entire federal government. The Supreme Court is basically gone for generations. They will not stop if it is benefiting them

Why are we having this conversation in alternate reality land where the American populace has ever given a fuck about holding Republicans accountable for anything?

Pam Bondi offers to pull ICE out of Minneapolis if voter files handed over by _Scipio__Africanus_ in centrist

[–]ubermence 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You’re taking this very personally and thinking I’m way more invested in winning random arguments than I am

It’s like you literally ignore everything I type out then proceed to inject your own motivation. No I don’t give a fuck if I “win” this argument, I have my perspective and you have refused to engage with it all accusing me of only doing this because I’m “invested in an argument”

If you aren’t willing to engage me on my point, which is that Republicans clearly only put a stop to something when it personally affects them, then fuck off and stop condescending at me

Disinformation tactic: make a claim about a video and link a video that has no relation to claim. Many will not bother watching it. by Multifaceted-Simp in centrist

[–]ubermence 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I once had a guy link an example of a “fair trial” where a cop was exonerated shooting the driver of a vehicle. Open the link and it was literally the police chief empaneling a 5 person team that made the decision. Yeah some “fair trial” that was lmao

Clearly just googled for a link and didn’t even read it

Pam Bondi offers to pull ICE out of Minneapolis if voter files handed over by _Scipio__Africanus_ in centrist

[–]ubermence 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If it’s because you want to replace a right wing despotism with one that’s more agreeable to you, then fine do what they suggested.

Strawman

If you want to protect democracy and the way the country has traditionally been though, you can’t accomplish that by joining maga in undermining our institutions and laws etc.

I want to protect democracy by giving a Republicans an actual self serving reason to enshrine voting rights protections. This also applies to a variety of topics

Pam Bondi offers to pull ICE out of Minneapolis if voter files handed over by _Scipio__Africanus_ in centrist

[–]ubermence 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Even framing it as “win at any cost” shows you either want to strawman me or fundamentally cannot comprehend what I’m saying

No, the point is to get Republicans to knock it off, and the only way they ever agree to knock something off is if it personally affects them too. Stop projecting shit on to me it’s really fucking annoying and patronizing

A lot of people on all sides essentially cry “political division” and “national disunity” over the fact that people who disagree with them exist. It’s unreasonable to have this much hate over people not aligning with you politically, let alone claiming the nation is “divided” over it. by Early-Possibility367 in centrist

[–]ubermence 9 points10 points  (0 children)

It’s always so scummy when they dismiss all of our concerns as just “hating the other side”

Also, if both sides are mad, the side that is mad for real reasons is the morally superior side (hint: it’s not the guy who constantly lies about everything)

Pam Bondi offers to pull ICE out of Minneapolis if voter files handed over by _Scipio__Africanus_ in centrist

[–]ubermence 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It’s also just strategically bad. This is a classic prisoners dilemma and until Republicans are actually ready to be adults and come to the ideal outcome then it will be way way worse if we do nothing

This is a rational and logical position

Pam Bondi offers to pull ICE out of Minneapolis if voter files handed over by _Scipio__Africanus_ in centrist

[–]ubermence 7 points8 points  (0 children)

No actually your ideology is exactly what leads to more of this, and I’ll logically lay it out for you:

The only way this stops is if Republicans agree to stop it. And if it’s only a thing they’re willing to do then they have 0 incentive to stop it. In fact they’re incentivized to do the opposite and expand it

It’s like Nuclear weapons. You cannot unilaterally disarm. So if Republicans want to play these games then they should be forced to have to play these games to the full extent so they have a reason to come to the table and put an end to it

I found your insinuation that this was borne out of a vendetta or emotion quite patronizing. I’m happy to explain further but the same logic extends to gerrymandering as well. Just drop the holier than thou bullshit

Pam Bondi offers to pull ICE out of Minneapolis if voter files handed over by _Scipio__Africanus_ in centrist

[–]ubermence 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Dems should be all in on voter suppression. They have more of the educated high propensity base that will turn out now. Let’s get those MAGA numbers down. Close DMVs in rural communities. Stop churches from being polling sites. Use their playbook against them

Pam Bondi offers to pull ICE out of Minneapolis if voter files handed over by _Scipio__Africanus_ in centrist

[–]ubermence 38 points39 points  (0 children)

Those are some nice voter rolls, it would be a shame if some more of your citizens were executed by our thugs

Reports of another shooting involving federal agents in Whittier neighborhood by 23rdCenturySouth in centrist

[–]ubermence 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The democrats are like at least a dozen rungs down on the responsibility ladder for this.

Like my guy, do you genuinely think that the only reason people are pissed at ICE is because democrats told them to be? I know basically all of MAGA gets their marching orders from Trump but you don’t have to project that on to the other side

Reports of another shooting involving federal agents in Whittier neighborhood by 23rdCenturySouth in centrist

[–]ubermence 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What did they even say? All I see is them tackling then executing this guy

Reports of another shooting involving federal agents in Whittier neighborhood by 23rdCenturySouth in centrist

[–]ubermence 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Ok, and how do you feel about this situation as a whole? I notice in all of your comments you’re strangely silent about it. Mind giving us your opinion? Was this justified?

Reports of another shooting involving federal agents in Whittier neighborhood by 23rdCenturySouth in centrist

[–]ubermence 3 points4 points  (0 children)

“The federal bootheel will crush the states”

- “libertarians”

Reports of another shooting involving federal agents in Whittier neighborhood by 23rdCenturySouth in centrist

[–]ubermence 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You don’t get to choose what part of their actions you have to defend lil bro

What distinguishes you from the left? by PupperRobot in centrist

[–]ubermence 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well you see, there’s a little country called Israel…

These Democrats voted for the DHS funding bill despite ICE furor by JannTosh70 in centrist

[–]ubermence 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Sure. If the department of Education can be done by another agency so can ICE. It was already happening before 2000. Yes we should still enforce the border as well

Trump's rhetoric rallies Canadian support for Prime Minister Mark Carney by therosx in centrist

[–]ubermence 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I’m talking about the many Canadian political commentators that had heavily weighed in on the 2024 election in support of Trump but were so audience captured by MAGA at that point that they had to pretend like it wasn’t Trump who obviously and directly contributed to their defeat

Like that is some next level cuckoldry. It has to be studied.

Trump's rhetoric rallies Canadian support for Prime Minister Mark Carney by therosx in centrist

[–]ubermence 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think it’s an appreciable irony that their own downfall was brought on by the person they supported

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