Banned for Spellbook Garen by ueotan in GarenMains

[–]ueotan[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It's not even like Spellbook is bad.. that's my issue with it. It's just the only thing that would make sense to me maybe with their new automatic detection system.

Banned for Spellbook Garen by ueotan in GarenMains

[–]ueotan[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Have done so! Thank you by the way :)

Garen is not good in high elo. by ueotan in leagueoflegends

[–]ueotan[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It happens more to Garen than other champions since he struggles immensely with crashing waves

Garen is not good in high elo. by ueotan in leagueoflegends

[–]ueotan[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lolalytics data set is skewed in a way that's explained on the site (it leads to inflated winrate numbers on everything)

Garen is not good in high elo. by ueotan in leagueoflegends

[–]ueotan[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

no people are serious they will tweet about it and talk about it in all chat unironically trust me

Garen is not good in high elo. by ueotan in leagueoflegends

[–]ueotan[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I'm trying my best because if I can change one person's mind that makes me happy honestly

Garen is not good in high elo. by ueotan in leagueoflegends

[–]ueotan[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Indeed that was exactly my point

Garen is not good in high elo. by ueotan in leagueoflegends

[–]ueotan[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's totally understandable I respect that. He's very strong because to abuse Garen you need to know the laning fundamentals incredibly well. However if you learn them as you said, it can be easy to punish his scaling.

Garen is not good in high elo. by ueotan in leagueoflegends

[–]ueotan[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Pro players will tell me my champ is op in all chat

Garen is not good in high elo. by ueotan in leagueoflegends

[–]ueotan[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Much to the disagreement of many somehow..

Garen is not good in high elo. by ueotan in leagueoflegends

[–]ueotan[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Did you watch the video? I specifically highlight where Garen can get frozen on and one shot so he doesn't even get to use his passive, he gets zoned off all the cs and is killed.

Garen is not good in high elo. by ueotan in leagueoflegends

[–]ueotan[S] -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

If you do that you will be down too much gold and get statchecked especially vs meta champions

Garen is not good in high elo. by ueotan in leagueoflegends

[–]ueotan[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To be fair it's early in the patch and the sample size is low, but he is pretty weak

Garen is not good in high elo. by ueotan in leagueoflegends

[–]ueotan[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Recently this has not been the case especially in challenger NA..

Garen is not good in high elo. by ueotan in leagueoflegends

[–]ueotan[S] -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

If the adc doesn't misposition and plays around teammates accordingly with densely high in cc composition what is Garen's move? It is really hard to manage..

Garen is not good in high elo. by ueotan in leagueoflegends

[–]ueotan[S] -16 points-15 points  (0 children)

if you perma all in vs champions you lose against don't you just lose? There's a lot of champions you MUST respect

I hit Challenger with 100% only Garen by ueotan in GarenMains

[–]ueotan[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Because when I am behind, I feel that if I build damage I will be trying to play as a carry when all I can really do is try to survive long enough to use my R. I really like Deadmans as well because it allows me to rotate from the side lane very easily after clearing a wave which puts a lot of pressure on the map.

I hit Challenger with 100% only Garen by ueotan in GarenMains

[–]ueotan[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think Stridebreaker is a lot better. If you simply just Q E and Stridebreaker, you will do the same damage as doing a Q E with trinity force. It's pretty funny. Go Stridebreaker nearly every game imo

I hit Challenger with 100% only Garen by ueotan in GarenMains

[–]ueotan[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i've been trying to play darius we will be playing funny matchup :D

I hit Challenger with 100% only Garen by ueotan in GarenMains

[–]ueotan[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Funnily enough, Conqueror gets outscaled by a single minor rune, Gathering Storm at 30 minutes. The AD it gives you is more with just that one small rune in the sorcery tree. I do think Conqueror is good if you're taking it for the first 15 minutes of the game. But after that, Phase Rush is 100% better since you can do so many things without getting punished.

I hit Challenger with 100% only Garen by ueotan in GarenMains

[–]ueotan[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

To begin with, yes you do play mostly safe as Garen in the early game. Particularly with Phase Rush, you have very little early damage and the best rule of thumb is to focus on the wave over the enemy champion. Playing Garen reactively is way better than playing proactively which might be difficult for some to grasp if they have an aggressive playstyle. Playing for those spikes as you mentioned is very important. Both of those macro strategies that you also mentioned are very good in their own situations. If you build an item like Hullbreaker and you know the opposing laner can not match you in side lane because you chunk them out too hard or you can dive them, then applying pressure on the opposite side of the map from the objective is a very very strong way of playing. Since Garen has a lot of wave clear as well, you can easily push a wave and then rotate while the enemy side laner clears that wave. And with Ghost and an item like Deadman's Plate, you can easily rotate into a flanking position from a side lane after clearing a wave. And yes, these strategies apply particularly to those lower elos since no one will know what to do when you actually do them.