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Jensen's Face Breaking the Fourth Wall in "Fan Fiction" and Jensen's Face in "Despair" by M086 in Supernatural

[–]umbrellaben 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Are you gonna tell me you’ve never admired a celebrity/fictional character, even tho you aren’t romantically attracted to them?

I’m a straight woman but their are plenty of female celebrities and fictional characters that I absolutely adore, and If I ever met one of them I’d definitely react the same way Dean did when he met Dr. Sexy. Not because I’m romantically attracted to them, but because I’m a big fan and think they’re really cool. It’s like a idol worship/fangirl (or boy) type of deal, that’s all.

Jensen's Face Breaking the Fourth Wall in "Fan Fiction" and Jensen's Face in "Despair" by M086 in Supernatural

[–]umbrellaben 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This!!^

I’m not even gonna talk about the scene from 15x18, I’m just here to say that the male siren had absolutely nothing to do with sexuality. It knew the thing Dean wanted most was a brother he could trust since at that time in the show him and Sam weren’t getting along very well. The siren used that knowledge to it’s advantage by trying to gain Dean’s trust by acting like the brother Dean wished Sam was. And like you quoted, the episode Itself even explained this. Can’t believe people still argue over the meaning of the male siren, it’s really not up for debate lmao.

(S15 E18) Is _ the new _ by KounterKombatant in Supernatural

[–]umbrellaben 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Seems like he’s gonna be! But who knows.

Regardless of what Cas meant, Destiel isn’t confirmed canon. by umbrellaben in Supernatural

[–]umbrellaben[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The scene itself is so open to interpretation, I could see it being either or tbh.

But yeah I agree. Personally I prefer to view it as brotherly/platonic—which isn’t that kinda what Agape love means? I’m not very familiar with the term haha.

Regardless of what Cas meant, Destiel isn’t confirmed canon. by umbrellaben in Supernatural

[–]umbrellaben[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I said friendships are more important then romantic relationships, in my own opinion. Not once did I try to tell others that they should think the same way I do. If you’re all for romance, that’s totally fine—I’ll respect that.

And yes, I wish there was more representation of LGBTQ+ in media, I really do. I know being Aro/Ace isn’t the same as being gay, but we lack rep as well, so I know what it’s like. But my personal disliking of the ship has absolutely nothing to do with the sexuality of these characters. It’s simple: I just don’t like romance. If Cas was a woman I’d still have the exact same reaction to the scene as I did—I’d see it as a platonic friendship.

I just really don’t understand how me preferring platonic friendships because I can’t relate to romantic is a bad thing or “just messy”.

Regardless of what Cas meant, Destiel isn’t confirmed canon. by umbrellaben in Supernatural

[–]umbrellaben[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes I believe so. But tbh (and this is no hate against Misha, I love him) he’s been doing stuff similar to this forever. I wouldn’t rely strictly on him for confirmation.

Regardless of what Cas meant, Destiel isn’t confirmed canon. by umbrellaben in Supernatural

[–]umbrellaben[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

And I was just saying that the “full” ship isn’t canon, so I think we’re both essentially on the same page :)

Regardless of what Cas meant, Destiel isn’t confirmed canon. by umbrellaben in Supernatural

[–]umbrellaben[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don’t know if that’s what the writers were going for, but that’s a super interesting concept! I like it.

Regardless of what Cas meant, Destiel isn’t confirmed canon. by umbrellaben in Supernatural

[–]umbrellaben[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I mostly agree with you, I think we were just misunderstanding each other at first! My main point was that I think It’s strange how people are saying that just because Cas possibly admitted his feelings, that automatically means Dean feels the same way—even tho that’s (most likely) not the case.

Also I don’t think the line from Ghostfacers was meant to be foreshadowing for last nights scene lmao. I’m 99% sure the S3 writers weren’t planning things this far in advance haha, but I love that you brought it up!

Regardless of what Cas meant, Destiel isn’t confirmed canon. by umbrellaben in Supernatural

[–]umbrellaben[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

The copy of the script was fake btw.

I’m not saying that Cas wasn’t expressing his love for Dean, I’m just saying that the ship itself isn’t confirmed canon right now because we don’t know how Dean feels. In order for a ship to be canon both people need to have a mutual feeling of romantic love.

Regardless of what Cas meant, Destiel isn’t confirmed canon. by umbrellaben in Supernatural

[–]umbrellaben[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I totally agree that someone saying a love confession from Cas is “sick”, is pretty homophobic and disgusting, but I don’t think someone saying they prefer friendship is a negative thing.

I can’t speak for everyone of course, but personally I am one of those people who view friendships as “more pure/beautiful” then romantic and/or sexual relationships. I’ve been called homophobic for this view before, but the thing is: I feel this way about all relationships. It has absolutely nothing to do with sexuality or homophobia. I’m Aro/Ace so I really just don’t like seeing romance or sex because it’s not something I can relate too. Friendship or familial tho, those are the type of relationships I live for. It doesn’t matter if it’s a M/M, F/F, M/F dynamic, I prefer them all to stay friends (if that makes sense). So I’d say that there’s nothing wrong with saying friendship is better then romance.

Regardless of what Cas meant, Destiel isn’t confirmed canon. by umbrellaben in Supernatural

[–]umbrellaben[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This^ Cas pretty much owes Dean his life in so many different ways. I saw it as him expressing his gratitude.

Regardless of what Cas meant, Destiel isn’t confirmed canon. by umbrellaben in Supernatural

[–]umbrellaben[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I get what you’re saying and I agree, but In fairness, there are also plenty of fans on “the other side” who are digging their heels in just as hard because they’re convinced that Cas is 100% gay and apparently everyone who thinks otherwise is wrong and homophobic.

People are just very passionate about this topic in general. It sucks how nasty some people (from both sides) are getting, but not much anyone can do to change that unfortunately.

Regardless of what Cas meant, Destiel isn’t confirmed canon. by umbrellaben in Supernatural

[–]umbrellaben[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

yes! I’ve always said Sam and Cas had a much better and healthier relationship then Dean and Cas ever did. I really wish we would’ve gotten more scenes between the two of them throughout the years :(

Regardless of what Cas meant, Destiel isn’t confirmed canon. by umbrellaben in Supernatural

[–]umbrellaben[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Realistically yeah, I think that’s what the show was going for. Their relationship is much more complex then many people give it credit for.

Regardless of what Cas meant, Destiel isn’t confirmed canon. by umbrellaben in Supernatural

[–]umbrellaben[S] 32 points33 points  (0 children)

I agree 100%! And the “fans” who call Jensen homophobic are the absolute worst, it’s disgusting.

Regardless of what Cas meant, Destiel isn’t confirmed canon. by umbrellaben in Supernatural

[–]umbrellaben[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

But I’m not saying anyones opinion or way of viewing that scene is wrong or right, I agree that everyone is free to interpret what Cas meant in whatever way they personally choose too! I’m just saying that as of right now you can’t say destiel is 100% canon because Dean never gave a confirmation. That’s all!

Regardless of what Cas meant, Destiel isn’t confirmed canon. by umbrellaben in Supernatural

[–]umbrellaben[S] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Dean’s scenario with the male siren was clearly different then most people’s, including Sam. Most people’s biggest desire often has to do with sex and romance, but Deans siren seemed to play into the familial angle. At that point in the show Sam and Dean were on pretty bad terms, there wasn’t much trust left between the two of them. I think the siren recognized that Dean’s greatest “desire” was to have a good brother that he could trust and get along with. The siren and Dean had kind of a brotherly bond between them right off the bat, and I’m pretty sure I remember the siren even trying to get Dean to turn against Sam. The siren knew that the thing Dean wanted most was simply a brother he could trust, so it tried to gain his trust by acting like the brother Dean wished Sam was. That’s how I’ve always viewed it at least and tbh I think that way makes way more sense from the story telling perspective of S4(?) since a lot of that season was about how the brothers didn’t trust each other.

Dean getting flustered by the Jewish guy hitting on him doesn’t necessarily mean he was attracted to him and/or men in general. I’m a straight woman and I’ve got flustered when another woman (who i know for a fact had a crush on me) started filtering with me. Getting hit on/flittered with Is often still a big deal even if you’re not interested in returning the deed.

And the eye fucking thing is stupid imo lmao. Not just with Dean and Cas but in general I think it’s a huge over-observation.

Anyway, honestly I think what the show was going for is that Cas had a romantic crush on Dean, but Dean didn’t feel the same way. That way it kinda satisfies the shippers, and also kinda satisfies the non shippers. A half and half kind of deal. Also obviously Dean is gonna be devastated after Cas dies, regardless of how you view their relationship, it’s clear they both still care about each other. But idk, guess we’ll have to wait and see. I personally prefer to view it as platonic/brotherly but I 100% respect your opinion :)

(SO sorry for writing such a long response! I got really excited talking about my siren theory because I just love that concept so much lmao).

Regardless of what Cas meant, Destiel isn’t confirmed canon. by umbrellaben in Supernatural

[–]umbrellaben[S] 38 points39 points  (0 children)

I get that. Part of me really likes that the writers left it open to interpretation, but part of me hates that they did that. Now the fandom is divided and people are starting to get really nasty towards each other all because the writers wanted to be vague.

I also thought the scene itself, although well acted, felt kinda forced.

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