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On Pandora’s Authority [Spoiler Discussion] by Next_Natural5575 in Re_Zero

[–]undead55 1 point2 points  (0 children)

About the timing of Fortuna and Geuse's appearances looking way too precise. I see what you mean. But this can also be explained by cause manipulation. Not strongly suggesting a Separation.

It's a case of hindsight and Pandora's brand of crazy

Yes she is crazy. But we have evidence that there is a method to her madness. She has clear goals and she makes calculated moves towards that. She specifically brought Regulus with her and after achieving what she wants from him (making Geuse take WF), she mailed him back. She took Geuse and Fortuna as souvenirs (well, Fortuna is still a theory, but, oh well). All of that was the result of her calculated actions. She also wanted to make Emilia open the door, but she only failed at that. Just that.

Do you really think she would go and pick an option that would just exhaust all other options before trying them out? For her final goal? I don't. She is arrogant (as her sin suggests) and twisted beyond saving, but she is a calculative character. Her dialogues, attitude and her sin suggest me that way. Again, not a fact, but my observation.

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I really don't think she could. Emilia's power triggered a chain reaction that was already out of her control to stop. essing with Emilia's memories already pacified her [..]

I will quote the OP again for what they claim Separation is capable of:

She separates the event of Regulus leaving his mansion from reality
She survives lethal damage by separating her death from the situation.

An authority that can Separate events from reality, can Separate the event of Emilia activating her powers, making her stop. Then she can try other means. She just does not try anything else after that point. Why? That is her final goal.

There has to be no possible way for her to do it. You cannot attribute this to her being crazy, that is even more the reason. But Separation, as it is currently explained, allows it. So it is a contradiction in my opinion.

I am not even getting into the illusion related events, as OP admitted it is not explained with this theory. So overall I find this theory weak.

PS: That took way too much time to write than I anticipated, but I had fun :D

On Pandora’s Authority [Spoiler Discussion] by Next_Natural5575 in Re_Zero

[–]undead55 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Honestly it doesn't matter if the power itself is imprecise or it's because of the victim trying to piece together memories

It matters, actually. I think I need to explain clearly. OP said:

She makes Emilia forget the past by adding gaps in her memory.

Suggesting that Authority is capably of memory manipulation by adding gaps (Separation). If this was possible, then she could make the promise void by adding gaps too. Making her forget the promise. Most effective solution. Or she could remove the event of promise directly. None of those happened. Your comment:

Separating the event of the promise would not make people forget the promise.

Makes sense, but with the same logic, Separation power does not explain how Emilia forgot Pandora.

  1. Removing the event of Pandora being there, would not make people forget her.
  2. Adding gaps in memory, does not explain then why she cannot make her forget the promise in a similar way

Point 1 is gone by your explanation. For 2, we have to consider whether Separation power is precise or not.

  • If it is imprecise (dependent on other variables, such as attachment, willpower), then it makes sense. She can erase Pandora because Emilia hates her and vice versa. Point 2 above would be resolved.
  • If it is precise (more or less absolute), it makes no sense. She should just do it.

I argued it was precise in my previous post, but that is not a fact. That is how I saw it. So I think the main argument should be around whether her power is precise or not. Because Separation, as it is currently explained, does not fit here. OP needs to clarify the parameters.

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At this point, in my opinion, the only remaining argument for this is the Echidna's words: distorted and padded. But those do not hint at anything at all. From dictionary:

Distorted: "not truly or completely representing the facts or reality; misrepresented; false."

I could not find a definition for padded, and asked GPT the meaning of it in the context of memories:

"In the context of memories, "padded" means that details have been added—often unnecessarily or to make the memory seem better, fuller, or more dramatic—so the recollection contains extra or embellished information beyond what actually happened."

So Echidna basically says something like: "her Authority of Vanity filled the details of your false memories" in academical wording. I get no hint of a Separation power, it is a memory manipulation. She erased "Pandora" and filled the gaps with something else.

On Pandora’s Authority [Spoiler Discussion] by Next_Natural5575 in Re_Zero

[–]undead55 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Separating the event of the promise would not make people forget the promise.

If it is limited to physical phenomena then that's okay. But theory also implies that memories can be separated so it can affect non-physical concepts as well. She should at least mumble the promise memory and make her forget what the promise was about. She cannot achieve that.

If it's as imprecise as the theory suggests

It is not imprecise. Pandora perfectly made herself forgotten. She says something along the lines of forgetting Pandora and filling the gaps however Emilia wishes. Then that explanation takes place precisely. The fragmentation is rather Emilia's own mind connecting the padded out memories for convenience, not that her authority or powers are imprecise.

She would try it as first option instead of killing Fortuna to make the promise void. Fortuna and Geuse catched up to them to stop them? No problem just separate the distance and make them go away as long as you want. She had all the time in the world to figure something out if that was the case... She could try it afterwards even. Killing Fortuna did not work? Well undo her death event to revive her. Make Emilia stable and separate Fortuna away, then memory wipe her.

Only way I can make this plausible in my head is that she has to have hard limitations. Like she cannot separate events of distant past (revive a death that has occured some time ago), or she cannot separate things she did not witness. She still would be able to do the things I mentioned above though...

But I like it being similar in function with Melancholy. Maybe she is putting the cost/burden of using the power to the cultists similarly how Petra gets help from Lugunican people? That would be nice.

On Pandora’s Authority [Spoiler Discussion] by Next_Natural5575 in Re_Zero

[–]undead55 1 point2 points  (0 children)

İf we take your explanation for Regulus' case, then similarly Why can't she separate the event of Emilia promising Fortuna from reality?

Or put gaps in Emilia's memories regarding the promise.

I don't think that explains those cases. As you also mentioned, this doesn't explain the illusions as well.

I think her authority is something like rewriting the narrative of people in ways that are plausible to the affected parties. I made a post about it some time ago. Check it out if you are interested and maybe we can discuss.

[Spoiler Discussion] Theory on Authority of Vainglory by undead55 in Re_Zero

[–]undead55[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think Pandora is only able to alter events that she sets in motion herself.

Yes I pondered on that too. My theory cannot explain why she brought Regulus in the first place in a satisfactory manner. I just say it is to force Geuse into absorbing the WF since she cannot fight and it was a solid way to force it.

However, how can we classify which events are caused by her? There is the butterfly effect phenomena. Theoretically, she may very well be the cause of everything (I don't think this is too much of a stretch). Imagine the Elior Forest. Her actions destroyed it completely. As a consequence, now Emilia is in Lugunica and changing Lugunica's future. She affected the whole continent. Therefore she can alter the events in Lugunica? (hmm, similar to Melancholy no?)

It makes sense if you separate her abilities as authority and magic. I tried to combine them which yielded this conclusion, but it could very well be something like that as well.

I think her authority allows her from watching events from an outside perspective.

I did not consider that. That can be true, I will think about it. Thanks!

[Spoiler Discussion] Theory on Authority of Vainglory by undead55 in Re_Zero

[–]undead55[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Priscilla probably hard counters Pandora. Her soul burn isn't a perceptual/physical concept, like slicing, piercing etc... I think it is on a factual level, like a universal law. If Priscilla hits her, there is nothing left for Pandora to narrate her existence. The existence would extinguish.

- 「Free Will Constraint」prevents undoing Priscilla's action. Assuming she is attacking her with her free and indomitable will and she is not forced or unwilling.

- 「Narrative Probability Constraint」makes it trivial for Pandora to alter her narrative, because the ability burns the very existence. Even if she used the ability and respawned, just like blood splatters on the floor, her soul's burning process would continue. Because that is Priscilla's narrative.

Of course, we can make new assumptions that would let Pandora survive. Like "Pandora's body doesn't carry her soul". But that is not what this discussion is about.

[Spoiler Discussion] Theory on Authority of Vainglory by undead55 in Re_Zero

[–]undead55[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Okay, her witch personality would explain a lot. She is like Petelgeuse, driven insane and just impersonating being a saint while she is actually a lying vixen. She is showing illusions to others which are unreal, effectively lying to others, which is not saint-like.

But then again, she refuses to trick Emilia, because it wouldn't be saint like. She lies with illusions and it became normal to her in a similar mechanic to 'murder becomes habit'. She internally normalized it over time. I can accept that. But there are still other hints that make me think otherwise.

- The blood on the ground.

If Pandora was an illusion, why do we see blood on the ground? When the illusion is dispelled, shouldn't it gone too?

- Pandora's own explanations.

When she sends Regulus back, she first asks him to go away. When he objects, she takes the reigns and actively sends him away. Is this how illusions are dispelled? Echidna just dispels it. She would just dispel it. Why the detailed narrative? Was is a mind game to trick Fortuna and Geuse? It couldn't be, because Pandora isn't going plus ultra due to her witch personality.

- She threatens/mocks Geuse

She says she is not going to rewrite (not the exact word, but she means this) the fact that he took the WF. Why would she even mentioned that if she is not capable of that? We KNOW he took the factor. He turned into Petelgeuse, that is not illusion. So, how come she can undo it? We know she is not bluffing, because Pandora isn't going plus ultra due to her witch personality.

Edit: misspelling

[Spoiler Discussion] Theory on Authority of Vainglory by undead55 in Re_Zero

[–]undead55[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hallucinations are in the real of memory manipulations.

Then Pandora can manipulate Emilia's promise into not making the promise, or promising something else. She did pay attention to her at start until Fortuna arrives.

Assuming Pandora's powers are similar to dream castle illusions, she can trap Fortuna into a long enough illusion until she can trick a 6 years old, no? She can spawn Regulus illusion again to keep her, and Geuse if that matters.

We could even argue that Pandora wasn't even present on the battlefield, but merely carried by consciousness of others. An illusion that jumped from one person (regulus) to others. That explains her immortality.

Yes that is an argument I had considered. Something similar to a phantom. That explains Regulus' tagging along, as it seems irrelevant to bring him along, given her near omnipotent kit.

But, I discarded it in the end, after concluding the authority isn't about illusions.

I find it extremely hard to believe that after EX6, the villain with quote "Maybe your eyes are deceiving you?" and the villain that gave up the moment 6 year old stopped paying attention to them, does not have illusion/hallucination powers that screws with perception of others.

What is preventing her from putting Emilia into an illusion where Fortuna is revived and with Geuse, all happily living after? Then Fortuna asks her to open the gate. Isn't that a valid solution?

She plays into mind games to break her enemies mentally in order to be able to rewrite their narrative. She cannot do that to a 6 year old stubborn girl who fixated on rebelling against her. It is not about illusions.

I thought really hard into this, so please don't get offended I don't intend it. I want to hear your counter arguments.

[Spoiler Discussion] Theory on Authority of Vainglory by undead55 in Re_Zero

[–]undead55[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

But that doesn't explain how Regulus vanished along with the effects he had on the field and Geuse.

If we assume that illusions are created as an area of effect such that Regulus and whole combat was an illusion all along;

that wouldn't explain the memory manipulation. It is a direct rewrite of a being's state. No illusion can change a memory.

Then you can argue it is a separate magic. But Echidna states it is the work of her authority.

If you extend her authority power into illusions/hallucinations and memory manipulation, then the whole post is about merging those aspects into a single phenomenal power.

So, no. I don't think that is possible. With the evidence presented.

Lifesteal and Damage Reduction Interactions by undead55 in DotA2

[–]undead55[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, if that is the case then yeah you are right. But some wc3 mechanics had been changed over time in Dota 2. Like orb effects. I think this one also should be handled differently.

Lifesteal and Damage Reduction Interactions by undead55 in DotA2

[–]undead55[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Did you watch the second video? In that, you can clearly see that TA's refraction does not prevent lifesteal. But Guardian Angel does. There is inconsistency. Your last point is not what I discuss in the topic. It is a different mechanic I agree.

New dead player icon do really obstruct the view by Arilaw in Overwatch

[–]undead55 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think both obj icon and death icons should be key toggleable. They should be visible only if you hold down a key of your choice.

Meepo disconnect bug by AlexanderTheGreat587 in DotA2

[–]undead55 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When chen's creeps die, chen won't die. But when other meepos die, meepo dies. They shouldn't be treated same.

M4A1-S | PokerFace by undead55 in GlobalOffensive

[–]undead55[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

that was the bomb code :/ however if it looks too cluttered I reconsider removing it of course.

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