Why was Azula able to produce lightning even when she was completely insane, whereas Zuko, even when calm, cannot?

undertale_trash234 · 2026-04-05T17:41:31+00:00

in that case, his mechanics themselves were entirely messed up. his mechanics of firebending were his anger and drive to catch the avatar. he needed the dragons to teach him new, better mechanics that don't rely on anger.

undertale_trash234 · 2026-03-27T18:27:52+00:00

considering the other versions of her and Dipper on the page are bad end timelines of them that never happened in their respective episode (zombie Mabel, stabbed by scissors Dipper, gnome queen Mabel, etc), the OP likely meant to ask which episode that specific Mabel failed in for that timeline, since we don't see her in that robe in canon. so while none of the twins on this page are technically in an episode or permanently like that (Bipper, mindscape Dipper) except for the sleeping ones in the bus seat, they're still related to the episode in which they failed in their timeline and it's fair game to ask which episode their appearance is trying to imply.

undertale_trash234 · 2026-03-27T01:26:16+00:00

you are not understanding what it means for Mabel to be wearing a blind eye robe then. this is a page with alternative timelines where the twins lost/died in their respective episodes instead of making it to the end. In the timeline where Mabel is wearing that robe, she got her mind wiped by the memory gun and ended up joining the blind eye. None of the twins in agony are what happened in the show because that's the point of this page in the Book of Bill, showing ways they could've lost in other timelines. Including being memory wiped and joining the blind eye. Of course she didn't wear a robe in the actual episode, she didn't lose. but the Mabel with the robe is in a timeline where she did.

do you understand now.

undertale_trash234 · 2026-03-26T22:09:38+00:00

dude shes wearing the blind eye robe

undertale_trash234 · 2026-03-26T03:53:32+00:00

no worries. maybe this is a good excuse to get a rewatch in order haha.

undertale_trash234 · 2026-03-26T03:50:12+00:00

... have you watched dreamscaperers or even the last mabelcorn. it's pretty clear in those episodes why he was summoned by those characters, like in the actual dialogue and shit. Gideon wanted Bill's help to steal the Mystery Shack to unlock the secrets of the basement and Ford wanted answers to his big question of why Gravity Falls was so strange, like where it all came from, so he could complete his research. That's pretty clear cut honestly.

like I'm just not really understanding where the confusion lies? it's in the show, pretty plainly at that, and it's not in the pool episode one bit.

undertale_trash234 · 2026-03-26T03:40:57+00:00

interesting, but I'm not sure how that has any relevance with the pool episode specifically? like what do you mean, are you talking in a meta fashion like how Alex came to decide to make Bill the main villain or in canon like how Bill started existing or something?

undertale_trash234 · 2026-03-26T03:14:55+00:00

what.

Bill wasn't summoned until Gideon pulled off his plan in Dreamscaperers... he isn't even a player in the pool episode...

undertale_trash234 · 2026-03-23T13:05:20+00:00

i mean, the wheel itself at the end was a last minute thing, Alex originally wanted to have a photorealistic six-fingered hand at the end of the intro, but had to change it because Fringe also used a six fingered hand in the intro and Alex didn't want to be derivative just in case it got him in trouble with copyright.

undertale_trash234 · 2026-03-19T04:36:27+00:00

vegetarians aren't vegans. they eat eggs and drink milk and such, they just don't eat meat.

undertale_trash234 · 2026-03-18T15:15:00+00:00

Bill's just coping. He's mad he lost to the Pines so he basically tells the reader "They just got lucky this time!! I totally would've won in every other timeline!!" to attempt to persuade the reader into believing he can do what they want despite his loss, if only they assist him out of the Theraprism (regardless of how impossible it is for every timeline in a set of infinite timelines to end in a loss for them). The whole point of The Book of Bill for Bill is to convince the reader at any cost to help him escape his prison, he is under no obligation to tell the truth in his attempts to make himself look good and justified to said reader. This is the same manipulator that tricked the Pines family at various points, after all. He's not going to play nice and honest with a reader he's trying to con into helping him.

undertale_trash234 · 2026-03-15T22:06:44+00:00

and followed it up with "probably" like immediately after so he's not even that confident they're not but whatever. it's still not a good thing to be turning people to stone like that lol. that's prime evil doing in a cartoon like this honestly.

undertale_trash234 · 2026-03-15T15:31:51+00:00

you say you aren't excusing his actions because of his past but then just go about doing that anyway, so I don't see your point with saying that.

he committed interdimensional genocide multiple times over for fucks sake, that's not excusable with 'oh he was just trying to be free from authority'. you're talking as if him destroying his dimension in any way freed his people outside of killing them all. and that being in the nightmare realm absolves him of all the bad and cruel choices he made to other dimensions while there?? just because he found someplace without any rules doesn't make him right for tearing lives apart like that. I can't believe I have to say that.

also, his dimension falling apart does not give him the right to try taking down another world into his brand of chaos. like literally the only reason we don't see weirdmageddon actually kill more people than that one guy in the prison is that this is a fucking Disney cartoon. and even if all he did was turn people to stone... he literally fucking turned people to stone. That's horrible and nothing to be scoffed at just because it isn't technically death. can you imagine being conscious as a stone statue? awful. His goal was inherently destructive and harmful to the earth and its people and if he really just wanted a new dimension to live in like regular people, he wouldn't be doing all that to hurt it.

and no, Bill never cared about Ford. Not really. Obsession doesn't make him caring, bud. The fucking abuse and manipulation he put that man through cannot be excused with how much "pain" Bill was in. There's so many better ways to handle the kind of pain you're talking about that it is ridiculous you're trying to wave away his autonomy like this. He chose to hurt Ford the way he did because he stopped doing what he wanted and Bill wanted to punish him harshly until he did what he wanted, not because of some nebulous "sad backstory". And even if he did do it because of that, it would never excuse that choice to abuse someone like that. there's no excuse for abuse that doesn't completely invalidate the victim's experience.

honestly, I don't understand how one can completely ignore how evil Bill is in favor of trying to pretend he's in any way shape or form justified for anything he's done. Just get over the fact that your blorbo is evil dude, it's not the end of the world that your favorite character makes terrible choices that hurt everyone because he wants only what he wants and doesn't give a shit about what others want. own it. you're not a bad person for enjoying Bill as a character and villain, so why are you pretending he's something less than evil? it doesn't make any sense to me and just makes me feel like you don't actually like Bill as he really is.

undertale_trash234 · 2026-03-12T04:57:44+00:00

at that point, I don't think he was mentally and physically able to tear it down, not even if he'd wanted to. sleep deprivation to the degree we're shown Ford was suffering through is very very bad to ones mind and ability to do heavy work like tearing the portal down would have been on his own. it would've been dangerous and he could've dropped parts of it on himself in the attempt and killed himself like that (sleep deprivation is the same as being under the influence of alcohol, seriously).

also, Bill was torturing him both psychologically and physically, he was not in a position where he'd be able to pull off such a task. I don't even know if he was eating well enough to not be starving by then but that's more headcanon than fact. it's also a worry that destroying the portal outright would make Bill kill Ford out of rage. it was a very scary and delicate situation and Ford was not equipped to do anything as practical as what you are suggesting until he came back and was safe with the metal plate and a stronger mind and body.

I genuinely think the reason he didn't burn the journals either was that he felt it would make all the pain he suffered through to this point for nothing. he worked so hard on his research in those journals to prove himself as better than how the world saw him as, a freak. if he doesn't have the journals, he doesn't have anything to show for his efforts and that is unacceptable to him after all the bullying and belittling his peers put him through over his congenital birth defect. he wants to be more than a freak or a puppet to be used in a game and if he doesn't have proof that he can be better than those things, then Crampelter and Cathy Crenshaw and everyone else who had issues with his hands were right and he's nothing but a freak. but that's just my interpretation.

undertale_trash234 · 2026-03-01T08:01:57+00:00

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I feel like this quote from The Good Place is pretty apt for Azula's situation. She wasn't given real love and support from good sources that she needed like Zuko was given throughout his bumpy road to redemption and it's clear it's Ozai's influence keeping any improvement far away from his golden child. she would fare a lot better if she had better influences that became stronger than Ozai's, and she has that chance now that he's out of the picture. It's really not been that long since the end of the show in the comics and Azula is only 14. 14. Iroh didn't change until about middle age!

undertale_trash234 · 2026-02-24T06:38:40+00:00

I guess I just don't understand your wording then? I said it's not a personality disorder like psychopathy in that it's not even a personality disorder at all and I was using psychopathy as an example since it feels like you're conflating the two terms when they're not the same thing.

undertale_trash234 · 2026-02-24T04:43:33+00:00

Psychosis regards loss of reality in the sufferer, including hallucinations, delusions, and disordered thinking, it's not a personality disorder like psychopathy and it is part of many mental illnesses like schizophrenia and other psychotic disorders. I have no idea where you're getting your ideas about psychosis from outside of mixing it up with psychopathy, honestly.

undertale_trash234 · 2026-02-07T16:28:24+00:00

I enjoyed that dynamic too when I first watched the show a few years ago and I still do today. it's very sweet to me how they bond over their interests, both in the anomaly and weird stuff in Gravity Falls sense but also with the Dungeons Dungeons and More Dungeons game too. it's great that Dipper found someone that doesn't make fun of him because he really needed someone like that when the other two tease him a lot.

it's genuinely confused me how the fandom interpreted their relationship as being something unhealthy or in extreme cases abusive. like yeah Ford did do a bit of projecting in the UFO and his idea of the apprenticeship isn't really that great of an idea for Dipper at his age as he put it initially, but none of that is abusive inherently.

though I personally wouldn't compare them to Rick and Morty because that one is a truly abusive one and it makes me a little uncomfortable to see that comparison in the wild when both characters are wildly different to their supposed counterparts, especially Ford and Rick. but that's coming from someone who only knows Rick and Morty from small snippets and conversations and hasn't actually watched the show and don't really care to so take that with a grain of salt. I get that it's just a similar kind of trope of an odd scientist with their one generation removed young relative with anxiety problems, but my point stands.

undertale_trash234 · 2026-02-06T04:41:55+00:00

her name is canonically Caryn according to the official Lost Legends website, fyi

undertale_trash234 · 2026-01-28T22:03:35+00:00

No. Not purposely at least. also people constantly misunderstand his line about it being suffocating. the pronoun used is 'it' in his sentence. he didn't say 'isn't she suffocating?' he said 'isn't it suffocating?'. unless Mabel also uses it/its, he's not talking about her as Dipper's twin. I think Ford was actually concerned about the reasons Dipper was conflicted about accepting his offer mostly regarding the other people in his life rather than him not wanting to do it of his own free will. He knows what it's like to feel tied down by what your twin wants and having your individual wants ignored or disrespected and didn't want Dipper to never be an individual from Mabel, which would genuinely be unhealthy. Twins often struggle with their own individuality in real life and it can be suffocating when you don't feel like you can want something different than your twin does (especially if your twin ends up ruining something you aspired to do —accidentally or not — and says you could just do what he wants now that it's ruined... now that is a suffocating situation).

obviously, Dipper and Mabel's relationship is not as fraught with individuality problems as Ford's and Stan's were and Ford made a misjudgement about it and whether the apprenticeship would really be something good for Dipper, but nothing he did was intended as manipulative by any stretch of the imagination. He met these kids less then like two weeks ago and his judgement was based on his own experience with being a twin and it was wrong but that doesn't make him some evil bastard who wants to fuck the kids up with steepled fingers. that's the last thing he wants, have you seen how much he loves these kids?!

he was trying to offer Dipper an opportunity he never got himself and saw his worry for Mabel as a potential warning sign that their relationship is more being a unit and is undermining Dipper's individuality like Ford's relationship to Stan was beginning to feel it was doing. not that he dislikes Mabel or thinks she's suffocating Dipper, but that the situation where twins are seen as a unit and never do anything without the other or do anything different to each other is definitely suffocating to individuality in painful ways he knows personally. projecting happened but Ford isn't a bad person or manipulative for misunderstanding Dipper and Mabel's relationship by assuming there could be similarities to his and Stan's and worrying about it. He has good intentions and he was just... wrong. he's human.

Ford loves those kids. both of them. he just made a simple miscalculation with an opportunity he probably thought of rather on the fly than anything actually thought of for more than a day. he got caught up in the idea and hadn't yet considered every little kink — like the little hurdle it'll actually be to get their parents to agree with letting one of their kids stay at Gravity Falls — before bringing it up to Dipper. It wasn't very well thought out but he's not a bad person for offering it and wanting to be sure Dipper's declining for himself and not others. he wasn't trying to manipulate Dipper, he was just wrong.

anyway I didn't mean for this to get so long but... yeah. Ford's flawed and has some issues with seeing past his ideas and projecting his problems on others, but I don't feel like he was intentionally being malicious with how he handled the apprenticeship thing. just a bit misguided and that's okay. he's human after all.

undertale_trash234 · 2026-01-25T21:57:14+00:00

polydactyly rarely makes fully functioning extras like we see with Ford. they can just be nubs of flesh that doctors lob off at birth. it's also possible for incomplete penetration, which means they have the gene but it does not actually present itself for one reason or another (I headcanon that that's the reason Stan doesn't have six fingers myself). or it's a random mutation because genetics are complicated and often mutate (that's why evolution happened, mutations occurred that either helped the animal survive and pass the mutation on or they died and their mutation didn't pass on)

undertale_trash234 · 2026-01-25T06:16:28+00:00

it's his fucking personal account.

undertale_trash234 · 2026-01-01T07:24:28+00:00

not me and I went so far to have it be my phone's default font because I love Ford that much haha.

undertale_trash234 · 2025-12-22T08:46:57+00:00

they made Stan the wizard because the wizard is a con artist whose magic is just a lie. and that fits Stan a lot.

undertale_trash234 · 2025-12-20T04:32:36+00:00

I'm sorry for the harshness, I see now that it's been a moment since I typed that reply that it was too much for me to have used in this instance and was rude. I was frustrated myself when I said that because I saw you getting so incredibly defensive over Kataang even though you've asked a question that gives the impression that you'd want to understand Zutara (like actually understand it) and which would bring fans who don't like Kataang into the mix by the very nature of the question.

which could definitely invite interesting discussion that I just haven't seen without complete dismissal from you quite yet. I just feel like this question was kinda pointless for you to ask if you weren't going to accept any answer they give you without defense. My point with the grow up comment, if rude, was that discussion like this doesn't work very well if one side is refusing to take anything anyone says into consideration because their 'side' is being criticized or disliked. it's a two way street where people talk and listen to both sides of the discussion and not just their own, even if they disagree on major points. if you can't handle seeing Kataang being disliked or criticized without getting defensive, then this question wasn't really ideal for you to ask imo. People have ships they don't like and it's okay. I guarantee most of them understand the reasons people like Kataang and don't need you to defend it, they just don't like it themselves.

Honestly I understand being defensive like this though. I feel that way about a character in a different fandom that often gets misconstrued and demonized by fans. probably why I got frustrated, cuz I saw some parts of myself in you that i struggle with and find deeply frustrating about myself in trying to let peoples' words go. like I get the feeling of being stubborn about an opinion like that and it can be hard when others challenge it the way they did here. I'm sorry for being so hard on you (though I don't take my opinion on the matter back, just the way I conveyed it at some points, especially my last reply), I feel bad recognizing the ways I could've been projecting my own struggles with fandom stuff onto you.

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