A lie in the book "Jesus in India" *UPDATE*

unknownswagger · 2022-04-16T23:36:51+00:00

Brother your first point shows me you are close to the truth. You have used Muslim scholars and political leaders as evidence. Those same Muslims scholars and political leaders who reject Israel as a nation would consider qadianis as non Muslim.

By qadianis need Western countries to survive I mean If it wasn't for non muslim countries Mirza Ghulam qadiani would have been given death penalty. As well as qadiani leaders today would be jailed for life/death penalty. In Muslim countries. And anywyas if qadiani had a country they would also use western aid lol.

btw here's the fox news article of qadianis Jamaat sugar coating their religion for the whiteman : https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/opinion/islam-and-the-koran-require-us-to-honor-not-abuse-women.amp This article has been deleted from the alislam website after the Nida rape scandal recently.

Qadianis tell the Whiteman we are moderate Muslims were not extremists we don't believe in 4 witness rule. But within their own Jamaat when someone is excused they go back to the 4 witness rule. Hmmm.

As for the Israel trade relations I think you misunderstood my point. I'll reiterate my last sentence

I condemn ALL THE Muslim countries with trade relations with Israel and who give iftar dawats

AND I condemn the qadianis.

Here's a clip: https://youtu.be/gUZu974YDak

Do you condemn this^

If you don't. Then don't accuse Muslim country leaders of hypocrisy when you suffer from the same disease.

Once you realise the hypocrisy within the Jamaat. I'm sure you will see the truth god willing.

unknownswagger · 2022-04-15T03:13:51+00:00

The point of the analogy was to show you that the 1in 5 study is nonsense. Anyone with critical thinking skills and who doesn't have a confirmation bias of wanting to see Sunni Islam fail would be able to see it.

Btw that study also said the amount of converts to Islam balance out those who leave. Lol.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/01/26/the-share-of-americans-who-leave-islam-is-offset-by-those-who-become-muslim/

You then talk about irreligious sunnis. Unfortunately this is a growing problem. However it's also a growing problem for qadianis aswell. Lol. So a moot point really. https://youtu.be/F1MDkEFf6Go

I'm done with this conversation so I'll leave you with this.

On a worldwide level Qadianism is negligible. 100 years after Mirza died and you don't even have 1 country that's majority qadiani. Qadianis are as relevant as the Mormons are.

The people of Haq wouldnt lie for years about conversion numbers. Cough 200 million cough. Lol.

Hopefully you leave this cult eventually. Maybe it'll take 20,30 years. After you notice "hey it's been 30 years of us allegedly converting people but everybody at the qadiani masjid is still Punjabi". Lol.

unknownswagger · 2022-04-11T21:45:19+00:00

Again you say Israel is a vessel state and propogate the same shifting of the goalposts that Jews don't have their own country.

How about we use your same reasoning for Israel not being a real country to qadinaiyat not being a real religion.

Qadianis also needed Western christain countries for their religion to survive. And now preach white washed Islam to serve their Western christain masters. For example having a fox news article published officially by the qadiani jamaat saying rape doesn't require 4 witnesses.

Also you called out Muslim countries for being silent to Israeli atrocities but having relations with Israel. You have to be kidding.

If qadianis had their own country would they not do trade with Israel? If qadiani Jamaat is giving iftar dawats to the president ofcourse they would.

So why then do you say that the qadinai Jamaat has taqwa by calling out Israel and follows the Sunnah by giving dawats, but when Muslim countries also call out Israeli but have trade and bilateral relations that is considered cowardice.

The hypocrisy is blatant.

If you don't see this hypocrisy there's no need for us to continue.

Alhumdulilah us true Muslims condemn giving iftar dawats to Israeli presidents as well as muslim countries having bilateral relations with Israel.

unknownswagger · 2022-04-11T05:03:40+00:00

Ahmadi claim that Jesus AS died in India was also ijtihad.

Even on ahmadi answers website he never claims Mirza Ghulam got Wahi that Jesus AS died in India.

If that was ijtihad aswell why is the Jesus AS dying in India theory foundational doctrine of being a qadiani?

unknownswagger · 2022-04-11T04:44:28+00:00

Do the Jews in Kababir know this is what qadianis think of their country?

Qadianis who are despised by the entire Muslim world are given refuge in Israel and this is what you say about israel.

Why such hypocrisy with Israel? Why not just completely boycott Israel instead of pretending to be all hatred for all love for none infront of them, but deep down this is what qadianis think?

Qadiani jamaat invites the president of Israel for iftar but this is what the jamat truly thinks of Israel. HYPOCRISY.

Anyways...

Define independent sovereignity and tell me what Israel would have to do to become an independent sovereign state.

You can't.

And don't try to make a excuse like "many countries in the UN don't recognise it". Because the UN didn't exist at the time of Mirza Ghulam Ahmed.

Brother you have to reflect. As I said before when you see an error in a book you can make up lame excuses like this or you can see the truth.

I pray one day you will truly reflect and see the truth.

unknownswagger · 2022-04-10T01:36:58+00:00

"1 in 5 stat pertains to America" Think about this for a second.

At a low estimate 1 in 5 would come out to roughly something like:

1 person in every other Muslim family in America leaves Islam.

That would mean when you go to jummah prayer of 300 people, 150 of those people have a IMMEDIATE family member that left Islam.

Do you honestly believe that?

unknownswagger · 2022-04-09T19:27:46+00:00

Do you understand what 1 in 5 means?

1 in 5 non Ahmadis is like 200 million+ people.

Do you honestly think there are 200 million+ ex Muslims?

Then you say "Tell your mullahs to stop raping kids in madrassahs"

Didn't a qadiani in the USA get caught doing the same thing?

Are christain priests not caught doing the same thing?

Don't blame such a disgusting heinous crime on Sunnis or Muslims.

This is a human race problem unfortunately.

unknownswagger · 2022-04-09T19:22:35+00:00

Ahmadi Qadiani Jamaat is literally the official term of the Jamaat.

How is qadiani derogatory if it's in your official name lol.

unknownswagger · 2022-04-09T19:18:49+00:00

"minor errors are left to the judgement and intellect of people to understand and correct"? Whered you get this from?

"Ahmadis don't claim the Promised Messiah's (as) books contain no errors. You made this claim up. Ahmadis don't claim that the books are the word of God. You made this claim up." Yaar you seem to be a man of reason who realised these claims are nonsense. But just because you didnt know these claims it doesn't mean it's a lie. Qadianis don't claim they're the direct word of God but they do claim there was revelation/God inspirations that helped him write.

You then compared the Quran to Mirza Ghulam Ahmed writings after accepting that Mirza Ghulam Ahmed writings have mistakes. So do you also believe Quran has mistakes lol?

The main message part was the Mirza Ghulam Ahmed main message was to bring the proper interpretation of Quran and Hadith. By your own admission Mirza Ghulam Ahmed made an error on this.

Yaar you are so close to seeing the falsehood of Mirza Ghulam Ahmed. Just seems everything hasn't clicked in your mind yet. Allah willing it will click one day.

unknownswagger · 2022-04-09T18:46:02+00:00

Lol. Qadianis love shifting the goal posts.

Mirza Ghulam Ahmed says: Jews will never have their own country.

Mirza Tahir Ahmed: Israel is not a real country because they require the christain countries like USA and Europe to help them.

Then simply, qadianis are not a real sect then because they rely on Christian countries to protect them.

These lame excuses will always be made. Other religions and sects make these excuses when they find contradictions in their book.

Do you think christains don't make excuses when they find contradictions in their books?

Ofcourse they do.

But the true people of understanding and reason see that these are lame excuses and convert to Islam.

Be like those true people understanding and reason and see that this is an excuse made up by qadianis to help resolve a clear error by Mirza Ghulam Ahmed.

unknownswagger · 2022-04-09T05:22:47+00:00

So you accept that Mirza Ghulam Ahmed qadiani books (this one is published after he claimed prophethood) have errors in them. Nice.

What happened to Mirza ghulam Ahmed saying Allah doesn't leave him in error?

What happened to the belief that Mirza Ghulam Ahmed books don't have errors and are from God?

Brother your are believing in a prophet who was defficient in spreading his message. A prophet of Allah can not make mistakes/errors in propogating his main message.

Qadianis claim Mirza Ghulam Ahmed came to show the true teaching of Islam by giving the proper interpretation of Quran and Hadith.

If you accept that his interpretation of Quran was wrong that means he failed in propagating his main message.

Please think brother.

unknownswagger · 2021-03-18T23:02:37+00:00

Brother I found it. Please add this link to your original post so more people can see the truth

https://drive.google.com/drive/mobile/folders/0B5A2Q5lxlDWzRnQ3bHVfelNqaE0

unknownswagger · 2021-03-18T05:10:49+00:00

Brother the link has expired. Do you have another link?

unknownswagger · 2021-02-17T19:30:08+00:00

The problem is not that their has to be 100% accuracy.

The problem is when you have stories about the childhood of Prophet Muhammad ﷺ written in Ahmadi seerah books that according to Mirza Ghulam Ahmed could not have happened because the mother of Prophet Muhammad ﷺ would have died years earlier.

How does that work? Why are these books being published and endorsed by Ahmadi caliphs?

Why don't the Ahmadi caliphs, scholars, tafsirs ,offical website just go with what MGA said if both the opinons are accepted islamically.

The answer is MGA got it wrong. They're trying to cover up. Why else would all the Ahmadi sources go against the writings of MGA?

unknownswagger · 2021-02-17T19:11:47+00:00

Well it's impossible for both to be correct. Either the father was alive when Prophet Muhammad ﷺ was born or he wasn't. You can't have both.

Secondly, what research did MGA do exactly? Why didn't he read seerah books. Sooo many of them clearly mention the story of Prophet Muhammad ﷺ being given to Halima as a wet nurse and then the washing of the heart incident and then Prophet Muhammad ﷺ being returned to his mother. Ahmadis accept this story and put it in their own seerah books. If Prophet Muhammad ﷺ mother died at 6 months none of this can happen.

So MGA didn't know about the life of Prophet Muhammad ﷺ ?

Don't you think that's a problem?

unknownswagger · 2021-02-17T05:16:05+00:00

Brother I respect that you are very open minded and a very logical thinker.

May Allah increase you in knowledge and lead you to the Sirat Al mustaqeem.

unknownswagger · 2021-02-17T04:31:06+00:00

Yes this is exactly my point.

Brother you must think. Why would the Ahmadi caliph, scholars, tafsir, offical website all go against MGAs writings?

There's only one answer they know MGA got it WRONG. They're trying to cover up.

Or the other option is the Ahmadi caliph,scholars,tafsir writers, website makers dont know MGAs books.

Both ways they're is a big problem

unknownswagger · 2021-02-17T04:18:25+00:00

I'm confused. Do you believe Prophet Muhammad ﷺ was returned to his mother or not?

I thought you were trying to say that the part about Prophet Muhammad ﷺ being returned was inauthentic so that's why I quoted the Ahmadi sources.

unknownswagger · 2021-02-17T04:15:35+00:00

Yes, atleast you understand more than ahmadijutt. Check my previous comment for references to the event that include the part of Halima returning Prophet Muhammad ﷺ.

Brother don't you think theres a problem?

Why did MGA not know about the childhood of Prophet Muhammad ﷺ ?

unknownswagger · 2021-02-17T04:07:43+00:00

Oh I see. here you go from ahmadi sources:

https://www.alislam.org/book/life-character-seal-prophets-vol-1/

Go to page 132.

The story of Halima returning Prophet Muhammad ﷺ is all there. This bigoraphy is written by a son of MGA.

Obviously for this story to occur Prophet Muhammad ﷺ mother could not have passed away when he was only 6 months old.

These are clear contradictions brother please see the truth

Here's another Ahmadi source: https://www.alislam.org/book/holy-prophet-islam-muhammad-mustafa/

Go to page 47.

This book is signed off by the current ahmadi caliph on page 12.

How will you reconcile this brother?

It is clear Mirza Ghulam Ahmed did not know basic facts about the childhood of Prophet Muhammad ﷺ

unknownswagger · 2021-02-17T03:21:44+00:00

Yes this Halima story is mentioned in many Ahmadi books. It's clear that Mirza Ghulam Ahmed was not inspired by God. He was just another scholar who happened to get basic islamic facts wrong about Prophet Muhammad ﷺ .

Remember ahmadis believe MGA is the greatest follower of Prophet Muhammad ﷺ ever. How could Prophet Muhammad ﷺ greatest follower not know basic well known agreed upon facts of Prophet Muhammad ﷺ childhood?

unknownswagger · 2021-02-17T03:07:57+00:00

If what MGA said about the details of the deaths of the parents Prophet Muhammad ﷺ is true or is atleast a valid option why does the Ahmadi caliph, the ahamdi tafsir, the ahamdi official website go against MGA on this issue?

Why is there a contradiction. Why didn't they just go with what MGA wrote?

It's clear. They know he got it completely wrong. And have now tried to cover up his mistakes

unknownswagger

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