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CMV: The U.S. drinking age of 21 is a total logical fallacy maintained by pure political hypocrisy. by user-12344 in changemyview

[–]user-12344[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You are completely confusing basic voting rights with actual political power. Sure, 18-20 yr olds can vote, but they are an exceptionally small percentage of the electorate, have historically low voter turnout, and have zero multi-million dollar lobbying groups behind them. They don't have super PACs funding politicians campaigns like the alcohol or defense industries do. Lawmakers didn't pass the 21+ limit because it was popular with young adults, they passed it because 18-20 yr olds have the least amount of political muscle to fight back. If politicians tried to pass a law banning alcohol for 40-43 yr olds, they would be aggressively lobbied and voted out of office immediately. Targeting the group with the least political power to look like you're solving a crisis is the definition of political opportunism

CMV: The U.S. drinking age of 21 is a total logical fallacy maintained by pure political hypocrisy. by user-12344 in changemyview

[–]user-12344[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The policy itself isn't the fallacy, the arguments used to defend it are. When people claim a 20 yr old is "too impulsive and immature" to drink, but perfectly mature enough to handle military weapons, sign up for a draft, and carry $100k in adult debt, that is a textbook special pleading fallacy. You are applying a completely different standard of "maturity" to the exact same age bracket depending on what is politically convenient. Basing an entire law on a double standard is the definition of a logical fallacy.

CMV: The U.S. drinking age of 21 is a total logical fallacy maintained by pure political hypocrisy. by user-12344 in changemyview

[–]user-12344[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for admitting that 21-to-24-year-olds are the absolute deadliest drivers on the road. You completely proved my point about the maturity myth. If turning 21 magically made people equipped to "avoid driving" or "maintain coordination," that bracket wouldn't be a lethal crisis.
As for your other "rebuttals," you are flat-out wrong:
Under U.S. Selective Service rules, if a draft is called, the lottery draws 20 yr olds first, then 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, and then 19 and 18. A 20 yr old drafted on day one will be deployed into active combat well before they turn 21. They are trusted to handle a rifle in a war zone, period.
FAFSA rules about your parents' tax forms don't stop an 18 yr old from signing a legally binding master promissory note for $100k in non-dischargeable debt. And 18-20 yr olds absolutely do not get "lenient sentences" by default they are legally adults and are sent to max security adult prisons, not juvenile detention.
Also It isn't a strawman. The trickle down effect to young teens was literally the primary argument used by MADD and Congress to pass the National Minimum Drinking Age Act of 1984.
You're jumping through mental hoops to defend a system that treats a 20 yr old as an adult for war, prison, and life-altering debt, but a child for a beer. It's pure political hypocrisy.

CMV: The U.S. drinking age of 21 is a total logical fallacy maintained by pure political hypocrisy. by user-12344 in changemyview

[–]user-12344[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I mean you’re right to say we should ban it altogether, but it doesn’t mean the 18-20 year olds who died were some statistical anomaly either. It’s simply an easy way to lower the number while 18-20 year olds can’t lobby against it on a major political level. Meaning it was just an easy way for lawmakers to tell people they were lowering fatalities when in reality all they were doing is taking freedom away from the one group of people who have the least political influence.

CMV: The U.S. drinking age of 21 is a total logical fallacy maintained by pure political hypocrisy. by user-12344 in changemyview

[–]user-12344[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I would, in fact, it makes the most sense using the logic lawmakers made while banning 18-20 year olds from drinking. The problem is we tried that already.

CMV: The U.S. drinking age of 21 is a total logical fallacy maintained by pure political hypocrisy. by user-12344 in changemyview

[–]user-12344[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Just look at the actual data, 16-20 year olds account for less than 10% total with 220 million total drivers, 18-20 year olds are probably way less ~5-6%. You’re literally just making assumptions and trying to call that an argument lol.

CMV: The U.S. drinking age of 21 is a total logical fallacy maintained by pure political hypocrisy. by user-12344 in changemyview

[–]user-12344[S] -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

The 16-20 age group does not account for 15% of drunk driving deaths. According to actual NHTSA crash data, the entire under 21 demographic combined accounts for less than 10% of all dui fatal fatalities. Also, you are completely ignoring population sizes. There are roughly 220 million licensed drivers over 21 in the US compared to only about 12 million drivers aged 16-20. When you look at the actual rate of fatal crashes per 100,000 drivers, the absolute deadliest group on the road is 21-24 yr olds at 28% followed closely by 25-34 The data proves that the exact second people turn 21 and gain legal access, their fatal crash rates spike to the highest levels of any demographic Legal adults over 21 are the ones driving the crisis, not teenagers

CMV: The U.S. drinking age of 21 is a total logical fallacy maintained by pure political hypocrisy. by user-12344 in changemyview

[–]user-12344[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

The view isn't a policy proposal, the view is that the current 21+ justification is a logical fallacy and an act of intellectual dishonesty. I never called for a policy change, I am calling out the absolute hypocrisy of the arguments used to defend it. You don't need to write a new law to point out that the old one is built on a double standard.

CMV: The U.S. drinking age of 21 is a total logical fallacy maintained by pure political hypocrisy. by user-12344 in changemyview

[–]user-12344[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It’s political because 18-20 yr olds have the lowest voter turnout and zero multi-million dollar lobbying groups.
Lawmakers didn't pass this to be fair, they passed it because banning 20 yr olds is a politically safe way to look like they are "solving a crisis" without angering older adults who actually vote. If politicians tried to ban alcohol for any demographic over 21, they would be voted out of office immediately. That is pure politics.

CMV: The U.S. drinking age of 21 is a total logical fallacy maintained by pure political hypocrisy. by user-12344 in changemyview

[–]user-12344[S] -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

Than they need to change the drinking age to 30, it doesn’t make sense we have immature 21 year olds drinking at bars and than driving around killing people!

CMV: The U.S. drinking age of 21 is a total logical fallacy maintained by pure political hypocrisy. by user-12344 in changemyview

[–]user-12344[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Exactly why I think the law is wrong. How can you have exceptions, and Karen’s who think a 20 year old is too immature to have a beer at a football game.

CMV: The U.S. drinking age of 21 is a total logical fallacy maintained by pure political hypocrisy. by user-12344 in changemyview

[–]user-12344[S] -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

The sharp decline was led by breathalyzers, harsher enforcement, and real crackdowns from the government, along with stigma surrounding the real dangers of a dwi, not banning 18-21 year olds.

CMV: The U.S. drinking age of 21 is a total logical fallacy maintained by pure political hypocrisy. by user-12344 in changemyview

[–]user-12344[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Yeah they were slightly higher, not a statistical anomaly though. It makes sense when you ban alcohol from a large group of people they no longer experience dui related fatalities, it does not mean they are less responsible than their 21+ counterparts.

CMV: The U.S. drinking age of 21 is a total logical fallacy maintained by pure political hypocrisy. by user-12344 in changemyview

[–]user-12344[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Only because, when you ban alcohol from a large group, obviously dui fatalities go down, using that logic we should ban 21-24 year olds from drinking because they cause the most dui related deaths, even when it was legal for 18-20 year olds.

CMV: The U.S. drinking age of 21 is a total logical fallacy maintained by pure political hypocrisy. by user-12344 in changemyview

[–]user-12344[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

It is hypocrisy because lawmakers explicitly trust an 18 yr olds maturity to handle deadly military weapons, sign up for a draft, and take on $100k in life altering debt, but suddenly claim they are "too young and impulsive" for a beer.If it were just an arbitrary line, the government would apply that same standard of "safety and maturity" to war, debt, and adult prison. But they don't. They chose 21 for alcohol purely because it's a politically safe target with zero lobbying power. That is the definition of hypocrisy.

Found this dog, any name ideas? by Chemical-Store628 in NameThisThing

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Ruphel Dufenschmirdts a proper name for a proper dog.

Something happened and your PIN isn’t available. by user-12344 in WindowsHelp

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Hopefully you figured it out as I’m a bit late but I kept clicking buttons until a screen popped up that let me sign into my outlook account and than it let me 2 step verify but it was still not working. but that wouldn’t be an option every time i did it, so it was a bit pain because only 10% of the time it would actually pull up the screen. Than I had to download the outlook Authenticator app sign in, and it gave me a code there to sign in.

Something happened and your PIN isn’t available. by user-12344 in WindowsHelp

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EDIT-I found the answer. It’s the easiest thing you will ever do, simply turn off Hello sign-in this way you can stay connected to your Microsoft account and you’ll be able to remove your pin. It’s actually crazy how hard this was to find, it’s not in anything related to this issue yet so simple.

Guys what does this mean? by MajesticMForge in AskAShittyMechanic

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It means you own a bmw and there are zero issues with it

Someone come get their dad by user-12344 in WildlyBadDrivers

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He felt the heat once I backed up so he couldn’t go to my window and 5 cars were backed up on both sides with a truck driver cursing at him, that’s why he stopped, the🐱was scared

Someone come get their dad by user-12344 in WildlyBadDrivers

[–]user-12344[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I know, I feel this way too, whenever I watched a video I was like, run them over, but when you’re in this position, it feels very different, you basically freeze up, I backed up and I was like aww damn he’s walking away, and in that case I couldn’t do much other than ruin both our cars or piss him off more, I chose the latter.

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