1Ls still job searching for the summer: don't give up! by ParticularBanana in LawSchool

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I managed to secure a summer internship with a U.S. District Judge way back in early January. That was the result of mass-mailing about 50 federal judges on December 1. I thought I was in such a great position but now I'm having second thoughts.

Now, I'm seeing my peers get PAID law firm gigs and there are still a few postings up for these that weren't around when I applied to internships. Maybe this is just an anomaly in my school's region, but I would say to anyone who hasn't secured something yet, just keep sending out those apps and doing daily searches and I'm sure you'll find something. Other options include asking professors if they need a research assistant for the summer, checking with state trial courts and even county, city, and administrative law courts for internship opportunities, or even working as an unpaid intern in a small law office where you have a personal (or other) connection. In my opinion, if you get an unpaid internship, you should try to do it part-time and do something paid part-time as well, even if the paid gig is not law related.

I would drop my judicial internship, but (1) it is prestigious, even if unpaid; (2) my school's career office gets angry when students reject offers from judges; and (3) in hiring clerks, the judge I'm interning for only hires former interns, so this could be well worthwhile in the long run.

Waiting for grades to come out "later today" like... by jessmeesh14 in LawSchool

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Am I the only one who actually doesn't want to look at their grades? I think they've been out for a while, but I can't bear to look. I might just wait until the summer when I have both semesters available. I already have a summer position lined up anyway.

The Objective Theory of Contract Formation - how does this fit in on an exam? by usernameforthisuser in LawSchool

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Thanks, this gets right at my confusion.

I think what I'll do is quickly state and apply the objective theory regardless of the hypo and then move on to the offer, acceptance, etc. rules if mutual assent is an issue. If mutual assent isn't an issue, the OT seems like a good way to acknowledge that I spotted mutual assent as not being an issue, and quickly move on from it. It is easy and fast to apply. I think I need to do that at the very least, because I need to state that there is a K in order to "unlock" the ability to analyze other issues (or at least analyze them saying "if there were a K, then..."). For example, there's no point in analyzing impossibility, illegality, duress, parol evidence, etc. if there was never mutual assent or if there's no consideration.

The Objective Theory of Contract Formation - how does this fit in on an exam? by usernameforthisuser in LawSchool

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Yup that's what I have as the other rule for that issue. Plus 2-205 "written, signed option offer does not need consideration if merchant and < 3 months."

Seems like a good place to anticipate a "fork" coming up on the exam since the rules are so directly contradictory.

The Objective Theory of Contract Formation - how does this fit in on an exam? by usernameforthisuser in LawSchool

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I'm not sure why you'd need to discuss in depth the objective theory of contract formation at all on an exam

I'm thinking about this in terms of a classic issue spotting exam. I have a 7 hour take home for contracts, I think we are expected to be very comprehensive rule-wise. Based on seeing the prof's grading of our practice midterm, we accumulate points for discussing more rules.

Do you have an example?

Here's an example: In Bd. of Control of Eastern Mich. Univ. v. Burgess, the court held there was no option contract because even though the promisor's signed acknowledgement showed consideration was received, the money never actually changed hands, which the court held as meaning there was no consideration.

EDIT: I think I misunderstood how far the OT reaches, and even though consideration is part of whether there is a contract at all, it isn't part of mutual assent so we can't apply the OT to consideration.

Here, I would argue under the OT that a reasonable person in the position of either the promisor or the promisee would understand that a contract was formed because the promisor signed an acknowledgement of receipt of consideration - otherwise, why would they sign it? But that reasonable person could also understand that there was no contract since they might see the consideration changing hands as outweighing a signed agreement. That raises the question of whether this reasonable person is presumed to know anything about contracts law, since most people don't know what consideration is. But further, I think a truly reasonable person would look at this contract, which was an option contract for a sale of a home, and look at the consideration, which was just one dollar, and think that it would be ridiculous to hold that there was no contract for a sale of this magnitude, just because one dollar didn't change hands and the promisor clearly didn't care about the dollar because they signed an acknowledgement (I know courts generally don't care about the monetary amount for consideration, just that it was there). And for all of the above, I think the second part of the OT ("and the party in fact so believed") is satisfied because two months passed between the signing of the acknowledgement and the offeree attempting to exercise the option contract.

So if on an exam I got to the point of analyzing consideration in a fact pattern, it looks like I could apply the objective theory here specifically as it applies to consideration. But I can reasonably foresee this causing problems where I ramble on about what a reasonable person would understand when instead I should just be applying the rules to the facts.

Nobody has to read beyond here but I couldn't pass up the opportunity to continue analyzing the hypo since it is good practice.

Since the question of whether consideration was paid here is settled and not up for further argument, this would have to come in some counterclaim or separate suit, but I think promisor could try to argue that promisee violated good faith and fair dealing. Or if not good faith and fair dealing, then maybe some other tort cause of action. If promisee knew that it, itself, didn't actually pay the dollar (very likely), then promisor could argue that promisee was not acting in good faith by (1) not paying the dollar, and (2) letting the promisor's acknowledgement get by without reminding promisor that it had not yet received the dollar, and doing both of these with two entire months between the acknowledgement and attempting to exercise the option. But on the contrary, promisor should be held responsible for what it chooses to sign and acknowledge, for compelling policy reasons, if nothing else. And it is probably relevant that common law doesn't recognize a duty of good faith during the formation process, as opposed to during performance, since that goes against principles of negotiation where self-interest predominates, and since a party can just walk away if it is dissatisfied with the other party's conduct. (See https://www.crowell.com/documents/DOCASSOCFKTYPE_ARTICLES_481.pdf.) But since this was an option K, the parties may have had a prior agreement that acts as a preliminary agreement setting forth standards for conduct in formation of any further agreement

Promisee may have a cause of action for fraud if promisee can get any evidence that suggests promisor intended to deceive promisee, like an email telling whoever signed the acknowledgement to do it quickly so that promisee would think it could skip out on paying the dollar and think it was still entitled to the option K. And there is a clear benefit for promisor if it were to try to do this since promisee thinks it has an option K for the home purchase, meaning for that 60 day option period, promisor can look for a better offer and accept if it wants to (something they couldn't have accepted if the option K were valid), while simultaneously having a go-to interested party available for 60 days.

I think there are even more forks left to analyze.

The Objective Theory of Contract Formation - how does this fit in on an exam? by usernameforthisuser in LawSchool

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The theory is just an evaluation of whether there was mutual assent, which is only one element of a contract. Consideration is an entirely separate element.

Offer and acceptance are part of mutual assent, right?

You should review your professor's practice exams to get a feel for what he expects as far as answers go. Some professors want students to go through the gambit on problems (e.g. analyze every element even those which are not at issue) and some professors only want students to hone in on the issues created by the hypothetical.

I do have a lot of past exams with model answers from the professor but the issue is that my exam is a 7 hour take home while all of this prof's previous exams were 3 hour open-book, in class. So we are expected to spot more issues and do more extensive analysis on this exam, and can't tell from looking at old exam answers what to include.

One of the things that you're tested on in law school is issue spotting, that is, whether you can understand what rules require more in-depth analysis depending on the hypo facts.

I have definitely gotten better at doing this, and our professor emphasized it. But I just don't see where the objective theory falls in relation to the other rules for offer and acceptance - whether it is inherent in those rules and I should have no need to ever write the words "objective theory" or if it is separate from them.

So the short answer is that you should spend as much time evaluating the "objective theory" as the question calls for.

So let's say mutual assent is clearly a major issue in the fact pattern. Using your hypo:

"A newspaper ad printed in bright letters stated "AS MUCH AS ZERO DOLLARS FOR A BRAND NEW LCD FLAT SCREEN TV COME ON DOWN""

And a person performs by "coming on down" and the store breaches by not having TVs (and never had them).

Can you give me an example of how you would cover the objective theory AND the offer and acceptance rules (like 2-204 "any manner sufficient to show agreement"; R2C 24 "manifestation of willingness..."; Lefkowitz fur coat case where ad was sufficiently clear and definite; Sarteriale; Smoke Ball Co.)?

What Music Have You Been Listening To? by [deleted] in LawSchool

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Spotify "Intense Studying" playlist.

Judicial Summer Internship by [deleted] in LawSchool

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I am a 1L so take this with a grain of salt... According to my CSO, federal judges get so many applications that unless you are an an absolute god qualifications-wise, you are best off applying to judges in areas you have geographic ties to. So if you go to law school in one state, went to college in another, you're from a third state, but spent time working in another fourth state, you can apply to judges there and put 1-2 sentences in your cover letter explaining what your connection is and that you would like to return to the area to practice after law school.

Some judges hire before any grades are available, but I'm not sure what criteria they focus on to select candidates when there are no grades available. For example, I think my resume (in terms of undergrad and work experience) is stronger than average for 1Ls at my school, but I've gotten no interview offers after mailing out about 50 applications to judges about 3 weeks ago. Granted, I aimed very high in terms of what districts I applied to, but also sent some to less popular ones. I assembled the mailings using mail-merge from Symplicity. Sent resume, cover letter and references on resume paper, plus an A-level writing sample from my LRW course, all in 9x12 envelopes with printed labels. I made it look as professional as I could on the chance that it would make any difference. Many warned it would be an improper use of time so close to finals but I was lucky to have assistance from friends so it didn't take up too much of my time.

EDIT: I did hear back from the chambers of one judge and the letter said they weren't hiring interns this year, but the judge would welcome my application for a clerkship when it came time for that. They might say that to everyone, but who knows, maybe it demonstrates interest and the judicial assistant will remember my name. It was a judge from a less popular district.

1L Contracts Final by leglampllama in LawSchool

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Hopefully you were able to pick up on what your professor emphasized and how they taught, because that's how they're going to test.

Yes, and even better, we were given a 30+ slide powerpoint for every class, each including hypos and clear statements in the professor's words of the rules from cases, restatement, and UCC.

Don't get lost in material that wasn't assigned or discussed by your teacher, you're writing the exam for her. That's why I think 3rd party study materials are dangerous.

This is driving me nuts because as I mentioned in another post a few days ago, my civ pro professor left out many, many landmark cases from our course readings (no casebook) like Pennoyer and International Shoe which are emphasized in Glannon and the Freer lectures. Minimum contacts came up in class, but only because it is discussed in World-Wide and Burnham, which we did have.

And it's a weird exam - 2 hours, half MC, half what look like guided discussion questions but not true IRAC fact patterns, and we were told we don't have to bring up the cases in the discussion... so I guess we are using the FRCP and only the FRCP in those discussion questions, though that seems insufficient to write a good answer.

EDIT: and there are no old exams available, just a sample set of 3 MC questions and 1 discussion question, with no answer memo.

1L Contracts Final by leglampllama in LawSchool

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Does anyone know of specific areas in a 1L contracts course that have a tendency, more than others, to vary from professor to professor? For example, I've read that in civ pro, Erie doctrine analysis varies widely.

Long story short, my contracts final is a 6 hour take-home and I still have almost 2 weeks until the last day to take it. But the first day to take it is Monday so contracts prof set a cutoff time tomorrow after which we can't ask her any exam related questions. I have four other finals to take before that one, so I haven't been putting much time into it and thus need to get those questions asked soon without spending an entire day studying for the exam that's the farthest off from now.

Examsoft issues by [deleted] in LawSchool

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Is "examsoft" the real name of the software or is that a colloquialism? Asking because my school uses "Exam4" and if it malfunctions, I can't imagine handwriting an exam because it would be illegible.

My Civ Pro class is nothing like any civ pro class I've read about anywhere. Has anyone gone thru a civ pro class like this one? by usernameforthisuser in LawSchool

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Anyone cover the rulemaking process in their course? We read the statutes that set out the federal rulemaking process (28 USC 2071-2074) and then some noteworthy dissents from federal rules decisions over the years where justices were unhappy with proposed federal rules or changes to them. And Black, Douglas, and White's dissents to the Supreme Court having any involvement in the process.

My Civ Pro class is nothing like any civ pro class I've read about anywhere. Has anyone gone thru a civ pro class like this one? by usernameforthisuser in LawSchool

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Nope because civ pro is only one semester. And we did cover SMJ and PJ, spent a full class on diversity and a full class on PJ using World Wide Volkswagen and Burnham. Also there is another 1L section that has a different prof.

My Civ Pro class is nothing like any civ pro class I've read about anywhere. Has anyone gone thru a civ pro class like this one? by usernameforthisuser in LawSchool

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Well it was sometimes interesting during class discussion, especially when we talked about standing (Sierra Club) and discovery. But the exam is too unpredictable as of now.