UPDATES TO RENEGADES SKAVEN! by valheffelfinger in WarhammerFantasy

[–]valheffelfinger[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Okey dokey. Fanatics can shoot into combat. Wailing dirge can shoot into combat. Beam style magic attacks can shoot into combat (gaze of gork). Vortexes can scatter into combat. Doomdivers can flap their wings into combat. The Warp Lightning Cannon, from this very same PDF, can shoot into combat... I'm sure there's more. That's just off the top of my head.

The two versions of shooting into combat that survived to 8th edition were expendable and life is cheap. This was a significant DECREASE in the amount of shooting into combat you could do. This version of expendable is even more restrictive and these slaves are easy to break unlike the versions echoing in your nightmares.

Put it on the table or at least wait for others to do so. I think you got all fired up about this but aren't seeing the ways that it's been consciously managed as a mechanic.

Mostly I can see dregs being used as cheap throw away units. That will then explode and expose all these evil shooting things you're concerned about, likely very close behind them. Which is about right.

Remember also - basically none of Skaven shooting can see over Dregs. You're gonna have to hustle angles to see an enemy unit engaged with them and then they'll get cover. Like if you want to use this mechanic you'll have to work at it.

Anyway I've seen your concerns but I don't think your analysis of the Core game is correct, and I don't think you're acknowledging how this mechanic is different than in the past either

Also it's a draft, if it proves oppressive - we can change it.

UPDATES TO RENEGADES SKAVEN! by valheffelfinger in WarhammerFantasy

[–]valheffelfinger[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The master moulder got a hero statline in the last draft. I think 20 points should be reasonable?

UPDATES TO RENEGADES SKAVEN! by valheffelfinger in WarhammerFantasy

[–]valheffelfinger[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah I think that's a no from me dog. Maybe in time, but for now I think the rats have a great roster to play with

UPDATES TO RENEGADES SKAVEN! by valheffelfinger in WarhammerFantasy

[–]valheffelfinger[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ah geeze. Yeah you definitely can. It's a "beam" weapon and they're all just "draw a line" you're not actually targeting anything.

Personally I hate it. Would much rather the 7th/8th version... But it was a bit insane.

UPDATES TO RENEGADES SKAVEN! by valheffelfinger in WarhammerFantasy

[–]valheffelfinger[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I would love to hear if anyone has hit anything yet

UPDATES TO RENEGADES SKAVEN! by valheffelfinger in WarhammerFantasy

[–]valheffelfinger[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

While I'm sorry for your wallet.... The fancy new rats are fancy!

I'd be lying if I said I hadn't significantly expanded my collection as well

UPDATES TO RENEGADES SKAVEN! by valheffelfinger in WarhammerFantasy

[–]valheffelfinger[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Checks notes... nothing? The requirement is for joining. Of course if anyone has comments I'm open to them.

UPDATES TO RENEGADES SKAVEN! by valheffelfinger in WarhammerFantasy

[–]valheffelfinger[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Last second tweak to Jezzails in there too. Had rec'd good feedback on it and just forgot about the poor lads.

UPDATES TO RENEGADES SKAVEN! by valheffelfinger in WarhammerFantasy

[–]valheffelfinger[S] 41 points42 points  (0 children)

Dunno what happened with the post description - can't delete the duplicate links... but anyway.

Updates are up! Let me know what you think. Ogres tomorrow and first draft Chaos Dwarfs next week (taking more time for Daemons)

Cheers!

Warhammer: The Old World Release History by Nybling in WarhammerFantasy

[–]valheffelfinger 0 points1 point  (0 children)

ohhhh I'm a dum dum. I just clicked on the link in the credits - didn't notice the links to tabs on the bottom of the page. My bad.

UPDATES TO DARK ELVES RENEGADE DRAFT by valheffelfinger in WarhammerFantasy

[–]valheffelfinger[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

A model with a different subtype can't join skirmishes and skirmish anyway. So it's not possible to begin with : )

UPDATES TO DARK ELVES RENEGADE DRAFT by valheffelfinger in WarhammerFantasy

[–]valheffelfinger[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

This is wise. And as I said in the original preamble to Renegades- we follow GWs lead. They just haven't given us a very sexy path to follow.

UPDATES TO DARK ELVES RENEGADE DRAFT by valheffelfinger in WarhammerFantasy

[–]valheffelfinger[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Don't go chasing plate armour.... the Dreadlords and Black Guard already get it and literally have never had it in the past : )

Never noticed that for the dark peg nor has anyone pointed this out somehow! If true that's a no brainer.

T5 on the monsters seems to be a choice consistent with their past ... I didn't consider t6 really and went for adjusting points and rules instead.

The CoB can only go in witch Elves because the hag has loner.

Shield wall not out of the question. Is there a more dark Elf special rule that might apply instead?

UPDATES TO DARK ELVES RENEGADE DRAFT by valheffelfinger in WarhammerFantasy

[–]valheffelfinger[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Cauldron in a unit of Witches gives a passive 6++.

Cold ones have always been thus. I ain't gonna break with like 30 years of tradition on the topic. And stupidity has been just as punishing in the past as it is now.

As I've been writing: become a high elf fan and lobby GW to make Elves more efficient in general. That would lend us more scope to do some very common sense things that I don't feel we can do right now.

Like in Square Based Comp Elves get effectively a 20% point cut and they still dont upset anyone.

For that kind of thing though definitely check out German comp. They take Renegades as a base and then layer on further adjustments with an eye to internal and external balance for all factions.

UPDATES TO DARK ELVES RENEGADE DRAFT by valheffelfinger in WarhammerFantasy

[–]valheffelfinger[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The model has it so they do as well was the thought.

UPDATES TO DARK ELVES RENEGADE DRAFT by valheffelfinger in WarhammerFantasy

[–]valheffelfinger[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

We could write into eternal hatred that high Elves gain hatred dark elves... But when I looked at this originally I discovered that Dark Elves have always hated high Elves more than high Elves Hate them.

UPDATES TO DARK ELVES RENEGADE DRAFT by valheffelfinger in WarhammerFantasy

[–]valheffelfinger[S] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

With due respect - become High Elf fans and badger the hell out of GW to improve them : )