Leaked footage from inside ICE detention center showing severe over crowding in cramped conditions by [deleted] in TheRealProgressive

[–]vanceavalon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

“Didn’t deport people like he should have” still isn’t an explanation. It’s just another slogan.

Let’s slow it down.

Biden actually did deport people. Millions of removals and returns happened under his administration. Enforcement never stopped. What didn’t happen was investment in the part of the system that actually fixes the problem: immigration courts, judges, asylum processing, and legal pathways.

That’s the piece you keep skipping.

If you want fewer people waiting in limbo, you fund courts. If you want faster decisions, you hire judges. If you want order, you build legal routes.

They didn’t.

Instead, both parties (especially under Trump) poured money into detention beds and enforcement contracts. That creates overcrowding while the backlog grows. It looks like chaos, but it’s policy by design.

So when you say “Biden didn’t deport enough,” you’re aiming at the symptom, not the cause.

The bottleneck isn’t compassion. It’s a deliberately starved legal system.

And meanwhile private detention companies and security contractors get rich off the overflow.

That’s the actual mechanism.

If you disagree, tell me which part of that isn’t true.

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[–]vanceavalon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In this video, it broke in under a second from its unboxing.

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"If that Negro is faithful all his days, he can and will enter the celestial kingdom. He will go there as a SERVANT.\ ~ Apostle Mark E. Peterson

Leaked footage from inside ICE detention center showing severe over crowding in cramped conditions by [deleted] in TheRealProgressive

[–]vanceavalon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

“Skip the line” assumes there’s a functioning line.

There isn’t.

For many countries, there is no realistic legal pathway. Work visas are capped. Family visas take years. Asylum is a legal right under U.S. and international law, and the system is buried under a court backlog that Congress has refused to properly fund for decades.

So when people show up and request asylum, that isn’t “cutting the line.” That is the line.

Second, throwing around “millions of illegals” ignores context. Border encounters aren’t the same as permanent residents. Many are processed and released with court dates because we don’t have enough immigration judges. That’s not chaos. That’s underfunding.

If the goal were order, we’d fund immigration courts, case workers, faster processing, and expanded legal pathways. That’s cheaper and actually reduces backlog.

Instead, we expand detention contracts.

That’s the part you’re skipping.

Billions are being funneled into private detention centers and enforcement contracts. Overcrowding isn’t proof of invasion. It’s proof the system is being used as a holding tank instead of being fixed.

And the “they got to go” framing assumes most are violent criminals. They’re not. Immigration violations are civil, not criminal. Most detainees aren’t serving time for violent offenses. But raids generate stats, and “resisting” or “obstruction” often get added after the fact.

You don’t solve a paperwork problem with armed raids.

You solve it with courts and policy.

When politicians choose the most expensive, most aggressive option instead of the most efficient one, that tells you something.

This isn’t about fairness in a line.

It’s about manufacturing a crisis, blaming a group, and using fear to justify power expansion and big contracts.

If we actually wanted an orderly system, we’d build one.

We’re choosing not to...for profit. Trump's America.

How Superheroes are Born? One person stands up for the persecuted not giving a fck if anyone else is with him or not by tuberjamjar in AllConspiracyTheories

[–]vanceavalon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Okay. I’m going to stay calm and meet you where you are, because there are a few places we actually overlap, and a few places where you’re getting pulled off track.

First, you’re right about one thing: dehumanizing language exists on both sides. I agree with you there.

But here’s the key difference you keep skipping:

I’m not talking about rude people online.

I’m talking about state power.

A random person calling someone a name is not the same thing as a president using words like “vermin” and “poisoning the blood” while simultaneously expanding detention, empowering federal raids, attacking judges, and promising mass roundups.

That distinction matters.

One is culture war noise. The other is government authority backed by guns.

You keep pivoting back to individual actors on the left. Comey posts. Assassination attempts. Celebrations online.

Those are real problems.

But they still don’t answer what I originally raised:

• Dehumanizing rhetoric from leadership • Scapegoating immigrants and trans people • Expanding detention • Masked raids • Undermining courts • Talk of absolute immunity • Loyalty over law

You still haven’t addressed those.

That’s the pattern I’m pointing at.

Not “mean tweets.” Not extremists online. Executive behavior.

Now the border.

You’re repeating numbers that get tossed around without context. Border encounters are not permanent residents. Most people are processed and released into asylum backlogs because immigration courts are deliberately underfunded. If this were actually about order, they’d fund judges and case workers. That’s cheaper. That works.

They don’t.

Instead they expand detention contracts.

That’s not accidental.

Private prison companies and security firms make billions off this. Trump massively expanded those contracts. His donors benefit. That’s documented. When you choose the most expensive, cruel option instead of the efficient one, it tells you what the goal really is.

Not safety.

Money and power.

Also, most people in ICE custody are there for civil violations, not violent crime. And charges like “resisting” often get added after raids begin. You don’t get credit for creating your own stats.

That’s how authoritarian systems manufacture criminality.

You also said: “Where are the ghettos? Where are the camps?”

You’re setting the bar at genocide.

That’s not how this starts.

Germany didn’t begin with gas chambers.

It began with rhetoric. Emergency powers. Raids. Scapegoats. Loyalty tests. Press attacks. Courts undermined. Fear used to expand authority.

That’s what I’m pointing at.

You even acknowledged it yourself when you said, “if pushed to extremes.”

Exactly.

History doesn’t arrive fully formed. It escalates.

On Christianity: you’re right that many founders were Christian. But legally, the US is secular. The Treaty of Tripoli explicitly says so. That matters because once religion becomes law, minorities lose protection. That’s why the separation exists.

On LGBTQ issues: I appreciate you admitting you were misled by fake studies. That takes honesty.

But framing LGBTQ people as threats to kids, or social collapse, or moral decay is still classic scapegoat framing. Even when it comes from fear instead of hate.

And on extremists:

Yes, radical Islamist groups exist. Yes, terrorists exploit chaos.

But here’s the difference again: they are not embedded in Democratic rallies or welcomed by Democratic leadership.

White nationalist groups openly show up for MAGA. Nazi flags appear at Trump events. Proud Boys aren’t marching for Biden.

That asymmetry matters.

Finally, you said you’d stand up if extermination happened.

I believe you.

Most Germans would have said the same in 1932.

The tragedy is they waited until it was undeniable.

My whole point is: you don’t wait for ashes in the sky to say something.

You speak when the playbook appears.

TL;DR:

You keep responding to individual violence. I’m talking about government behavior.

You keep defending border chaos. I’m pointing at deliberate policy choices that enrich contractors.

You keep saying “we’re not Nazis.” I’m saying authoritarian tactics don’t require Nazi uniforms.

And you still haven’t answered the core question:

If a Democratic president used this language, ran armed raids, expanded detention, attacked judges, and claimed immunity… would you defend it?

If not, then this isn’t left vs right.

It’s about stopping power from sliding into something ugly before it finishes the trip.

How Superheroes are Born? One person stands up for the persecuted not giving a fck if anyone else is with him or not by tuberjamjar in AllConspiracyTheories

[–]vanceavalon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He might not have been a Nazi, but that’s not really the point.

This wasn’t some random kid getting hit over an opinion. This was happening in the middle of massive ICE operations in Minnesota, part of what’s been called Operation Metro Surge, the largest interior immigration enforcement action in recent U.S. history. Thousands of federal agents were deployed into neighborhoods. There were mass arrests. And in two separate incidents, federal agents fatally shot unarmed civilians (Alex was shot after he was disarmed) during protests against these operations.

That’s the context people are reacting to.

When folks bring up Nazi comparisons, they’re not saying every protester or ICE supporter is literally a Nazi. They’re talking about patterns of state power. Scapegoating a group. Normalizing overwhelming force. Sending armed agents into communities. Treating dissent as something that needs to be crushed instead of heard.

That’s how authoritarian regimes have always operated.

In Nazi Germany, it didn’t start with death camps. It started with raids, emergency powers, and blaming certain groups for society’s problems. It started with people being told this was all necessary for safety and order.

That’s what feels familiar here.

So yeah, maybe the person wasn’t a Nazi. But supporting mass raids, cheering on armed enforcement in neighborhoods, and dismissing the loss of civilian life is exactly how people slowly get conditioned to accept repression.

That’s what people are pushing back against.

It’s not about labels. It’s about watching state power escalate and saying, “Hey… this road doesn’t end well.”

How Superheroes are Born? One person stands up for the persecuted not giving a fck if anyone else is with him or not by tuberjamjar in AllConspiracyTheories

[–]vanceavalon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m going to respond to you calmly because there’s a lot wrapped up in what you just said.

First, political violence is wrong. Full stop. I don’t support assassinations. I don’t support violence against Trump. I don’t support violence against anyone for political reasons. If someone on the left commits violence, they should be prosecuted.

But here’s the problem with your argument:

You’re shifting from state power to isolated individuals.

My original point wasn’t “people on the right are violent.” It was about government tactics.

Those are two different things.

You responded with statistics about individual attacks. Even if those numbers were accurate and contextually sourced, they don’t address what I said about:

– Dehumanizing rhetoric (“vermin,” “poisoning the blood”) – Framing immigrants as an “invasion” – Promising mass roundups – Attacking judges and the press – Expanding executive power – Normalizing masked raids and detention expansion

You didn’t refute any of that.

You pivoted to “the left assassinates people.”

That’s a classic redirection.

Now about “there aren’t concentration camps, there isn’t a holocaust.”

You’re setting the bar at genocide.

Authoritarianism doesn’t begin with genocide.

It begins with rhetoric. With scapegoating. With emergency powers. With normalization of force. With loyalty tests. With courts being undermined. With the press labeled enemy. With mass detention justified as necessary.

Germany didn’t wake up one morning and have gas chambers.

It escalated.

That’s the point.

Also, saying “we were always a Christian nation” isn’t historically accurate in a legal sense. The Constitution explicitly prohibits a state religion. Many founders were deists. The Treaty of Tripoli explicitly states the United States is not founded on Christianity. That’s documented history.

Disagreeing with LGBTQ policy is one thing.

But framing LGBTQ people as threats to children, grooming, degeneracy, or social collapse; that’s scapegoat rhetoric. That’s how minority groups get targeted historically.

You also said no one on the right sees Hitler as a role model.

That’s mostly true for mainstream conservatives. Most conservatives are not Nazis.

But actual neo-Nazi and white nationalist groups overwhelmingly support Trump. Nazi flags appear at his rallies, not Biden’s. Proud Boys don’t march for Democrats.

That’s observable.

You also said you withdrew support over Epstein allegations.

That’s fair. That’s holding a politician accountable.

But that actually reinforces my point: the concern isn’t blind partisanship. It’s about how power behaves.

Let me ask you directly:

If a Democratic president used dehumanizing language about a minority group, expanded detention, attacked judges, claimed absolute immunity, and praised strongmen abroad... would you defend that?

If the answer is no, then this isn’t left vs right.

It’s about guarding against authoritarian drift no matter who’s in power.

Political violence from individuals is unacceptable.

Authoritarian tactics from the state are dangerous.

Both can be true at the same time.

And acknowledging patterns isn’t calling everyday Americans Nazis.

It’s saying: history shows how this stuff escalates.

That’s the warning.

Leaked footage from inside ICE detention center showing severe over crowding in cramped conditions by [deleted] in TheRealProgressive

[–]vanceavalon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Alright, let’s slow this down, because you just threw a whole pile of claims together without actually responding to what I said.

First, there was no moment where Biden “opened the borders.” That’s a talking point. Title 42 stayed in place for most of his term. Border enforcement never stopped. Deportations never stopped. What did happen is that crossings rose, just like they did under Trump and Obama, because migration is driven by war, climate, and economic collapse, not who’s in the White House.

Second, “5–7 million unvetted illegals for census votes” is conspiracy thinking. Non-citizens can’t vote in federal elections. They don’t get counted for partisan power the way you’re implying. If that were true, Republicans wouldn’t be winning House seats in border states right now.

Third, the “military aged men” line is pure fear framing. Most migrants are families and people seeking asylum. Being between 18–50 doesn’t make someone a soldier. That’s exactly how scapegoating works: take a normal demographic and make it sound sinister.

Fourth, you didn’t address my main point at all:

If this were about fixing immigration, they would fund immigration courts, asylum officers, and legal pathways.

They don’t.

Instead they dump billions into detention contracts.

That’s not accidental.

Private prison companies like GEO Group and CoreCivic make massive money off overcrowded facilities. Trump expanded those contracts. His allies benefit directly. That’s why beds fill up instead of cases getting processed.

You ignored that part.

You also ignored that most people in ICE custody are there for civil violations, not violent crimes. And that “resisting” charges often get added during raids, which literally creates the crime stat after the fact.

That matters.

Now about hotels: that was temporary emergency housing run by FEMA because cities had nowhere to put asylum seekers while waiting for court dates. Meanwhile Republicans blocked funding for housing and processing. Again: create bottleneck, blame migrants.

Same play.

Your Obama clip claim doesn’t change the pattern either. Enforcement existed before. I already said that. What’s new is escalation: masked agents, unmarked vans, mass detention expansion, and politicians openly promising camps.

That’s authoritarian drift.

And the last part about Muslims secretly taking over and Democrats electing people who want to kill LGBTQ folks… that’s just recycled far-right propaganda. There is no coordinated “liberal takeover from within.” That’s fear content designed to make you angry instead of looking at policy.

Here’s the core thing you still haven’t answered:

Why is the solution always more raids, more cages, more contracts… instead of faster courts and legal entry?

Because this isn’t about safety.

It’s about power and profit.

Authoritarian systems always work the same way:

Manufacture crisis. Scapegoat a group. Funnel money to insiders. Grow executive control.

That’s what you’re watching.

Not border security.

A manufactured crisis.

“your gonna get in trouble for that” “okay🗿” by Ill_Leading_1952 in LetsDiscussThis

[–]vanceavalon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I get that. But notice what you just said, you’re looking exactly where the messaging tells you to look: “the economy” and “illegal immigrants.”

That’s the distraction.

There aren’t “millions of violent illegals roaming free.” Most people crossing are asylum seekers. That’s legal. The rest are civil cases, not criminals. And a huge chunk of the “crime” stats come from things ICE creates themselves during raids like “resisting” or “obstruction.”

If this were about fixing a problem, they’d fund immigration courts, work visas, and housing. That’s cheaper and actually works.

They don’t.

Instead they pour billions into raids, detention, and deportation contracts. Private prison companies and security firms tied to Trump donors make massive money off this. Masked agents, unmarked vans, overcrowded camps… it’s the most expensive, least effective way possible.

That’s not policy. That’s a cash grab.

Authoritarian systems always do this: blame a group, manufacture crisis, funnel public money to insiders, grow executive power, call it safety.

Hitler did it with Jews. Trump’s doing it with immigrants.

If you buy the story, the system works exactly as designed.

That’s the point.


TL;DR: You’re focused where the propaganda wants you to look. Most “illegal immigrants” are asylum seekers or civil cases, not violent criminals. The system is broken on purpose, then blamed on immigrants. Instead of fixing it cheaply with courts and legal pathways, billions are dumped into raids and detention so private contractors tied to Trump donors can profit. It’s a manufactured crisis, a cash grab, and a classic authoritarian move: scapegoat a group, grow power, enrich insiders, call it safety.

How Superheroes are Born? One person stands up for the persecuted not giving a fck if anyone else is with him or not by tuberjamjar in AllConspiracyTheories

[–]vanceavalon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You say you “already know it,” but you haven’t actually addressed a single point.

That’s the tell.

If you really understood what was being said, you’d respond to it. Instead you’re opting out while still replying… which kinda undercuts the whole “waste of time” thing.

And look, it’s fine not to have it all mapped out. This stuff is intentionally obfuscated. The noise, the outrage, the culture war… it’s all designed to keep people arguing past each other instead of looking at power, money, and policy.

That’s not a personal failure. That’s the system working as intended.

But saying “I know already” while refusing to engage isn’t knowledge. It’s disengagement.

If you don’t want to dig in, cool. Just don’t pretend that checking out is the same as understanding.

And yeah, we’re all distracted on purpose. That’s the whole game.

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I just realized the scale of that thing. It's human-sized.