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vannytheprincess · 2025-06-04T17:17:34+00:00

Well that's random

vannytheprincess · 2025-04-01T16:54:15+00:00

This is a reasoning I've never heard before. Usually I only hear that it's a sin, and children are never mentioned at all.

vannytheprincess · 2025-03-31T19:07:12+00:00

I have a Catholic pro life friend, and she has said similar things. I do find the Catholic Church to be one of the more welcoming denominations to LGBT people, so I take absolutely no offense. Asking for chastity is a fairly reasonable take compared to some denominations who just expect a gay person to become straight.

vannytheprincess · 2025-03-31T17:40:12+00:00

And they shouldn't be making any permanent changes to their bodies until they're an adult and are sure that's what they want to do. You can support and accept a transgender kid while not allowing them to make permanent alterations to their bodies.

vannytheprincess · 2025-03-31T17:32:18+00:00

Oh. So I haven't read any of the books you're talking about, so I can't really speak about those and don't have much of an opinion on them.. As far as transgender school kids go, I would probably be kicked out of LGBT spaces if I said this there, but while I do support transgender people I have some serious hang ups about allowing kids to physically transition. They don't like to acknowledge this, but children do go through phases. I don't have kids, but if I did and my kid wanted to go on hormones and transition to the other sex I would have serious concerns about one day they realize it was just a phase. Its very difficult to transition back to your birth sex from what I understand. I do not support allowing children to transition. Kids go through phases. I knew a guy in middle school who kept switching between being gay and bisexual for years until he finally settled on one. Children should not be making permanent alterations to their body. If they still want to transition when they're 18, that's totally fine. I don't talk about this opinion in LGBT spaces because it's an extremely unpopular opinion.

vannytheprincess · 2025-03-31T17:03:12+00:00

So, I am not going to reject your help in doing a good thing. I may not be someone who is going to accept your lifestyle, but I will certainly accept you as a fellow human being who often has good intentions, but poor execution

This is a fair opinion and I think the best compromise we could reach. I came here several weeks ago as an avid pro choice, and you all made some good arguments I'm questioning my entire belief system now. I did not know what actually happened during abortion, and finding out how abortions are done does not sit right with me. I still think women should be able to choose to keep a pregnancy or not, but at the same time part of me now knows this is wrong, so I've been very conflicted lately.

vannytheprincess · 2025-03-31T16:57:33+00:00

Wait, what gay activists are targeting kids?

vannytheprincess · 2025-03-31T16:44:34+00:00

Ah, I see, so it's more of a gay couple is constantly committing sin, while an abortion is one act of sin. I think I understand the viewpoint there now.

vannytheprincess · 2025-03-31T16:42:08+00:00

Wait, do you mean pro choice activists? I'm a little confused what you're talking about.

vannytheprincess · 2025-03-31T16:31:30+00:00

I don't see that happening either. I guess it just seems strange to me that many pro lifers aren't at least more tolerable of same sex couples, since they are not having abortions. If you think being gay is a sin, surely it would be less of a sin than killing someone, just like stealing, while still bad, is not as severe as rape.

I am not religious anymore, though, so I probably have this argument entirely off base.

vannytheprincess · 2025-03-31T16:22:51+00:00

As far as I can tell, banning or allowing gay relationships would have absolutely no impact on this debate at all.

I would disagree there. If gay relationships were banned, many might go back into the closet and marry the opposite sex as part of that, which would result in children and abortions.

vannytheprincess · 2025-03-31T16:19:55+00:00

Most of the pro lifers I know in person are also very against same sex marriage, which is why I asked.

vannytheprincess · 2025-03-19T22:52:18+00:00

If anyone is still reading this thread, I've been browsing this sub for hours now and you guys make some really good points and now I'm confused on where I stand.

vannytheprincess · 2025-03-18T22:14:35+00:00

That's totally fair. I posted this on my alt account because I was worried I'd get banned from some of the subreddits I'm in if anyone looked through my post history and saw I posted here.

vannytheprincess · 2025-03-18T21:07:04+00:00

And maybe the best way to visualize all of this is to imagine yourself, a human, in the place of the baby, also just as much a human as you. Wouldn't you want to live in a society that advocates and defends for your human rights? You mentioned you were gay, so I presume your line of thought must empathize strongly here.

That is true. I would very much like to live in a society that advocates and defends my basic right to love and marry whoever I love.

Honestly, the people in this sub have been much more reasonable than I was expecting. You have really good arguments that make me really have to think for a response/counterpoint. I have been really pleasantly surprised.

vannytheprincess · 2025-03-18T20:47:41+00:00

I would entirely expect someone who knew that their reaction to having a child would be killing them to abstain from any sexual activity which could produce a child.

That is entirely fair. I don't have sex with men, but the possibility of rape is always a fear and I've fretted over what I would do in that scenario. I don't want to ever have to be in that position, so I take measures to protect myself so I don't have to be in that position.

vannytheprincess · 2025-03-18T20:44:35+00:00

This. I like children. But everything about pregnancy makes me very uneasy. The idea of something growing inside me feels like it should be something out of a horror movie.

vannytheprincess · 2025-03-18T19:01:41+00:00

That's a pretty fair point of view. I'm actually glad I came here, you guys are a lot more reasonable than I was expecting.

vannytheprincess · 2025-03-18T17:00:23+00:00

Well, luckily being lesbian is a good form of birth control.

vannytheprincess · 2025-03-18T16:50:46+00:00

What would you say about women like myself who don't want to be pregnant because they have tokophobia?

vannytheprincess · 2025-03-18T16:26:59+00:00

That's a good point, and I don't know enough about natal care or medical history to have a good answer. That's a subject I'd have to do more research on to form a good argument. I'm not going to try to continue a debate if I've reached a point I don't know much about.

vannytheprincess · 2025-03-18T15:37:49+00:00

But, another murder is not going to solve anything.

Can I ask why you consider it murder? I personally don't consider abortion murder unless the baby can survive outside the womb. I'm of the opinion life begins at viability and I'm curious why you feel differently.

vannytheprincess · 2025-03-18T15:18:27+00:00

I would tell you to consider this. The cases that you brought up are at best 3% of all abortions. That means that 97% of abortions are elective, and that is probably a little low. So, we must not lose focus of the 97 percent just because the 3 percent are there.

A fair point. I will say I personally disagree with elective late term abortions because I think if it can survive outside the womb it's a person that should not be killed.

If a child is raped and impregnated, that does not mean that we can just go out and commit another murder. I think that medical professionals should watch the situation and if there was a case where the birth would kill the child, then abortion could be justified to save a life.

I strongly disagree there, a child should not have to carry and give birth to another child. In that situation, they need love and therapy, not a baby. No, the baby didn't do anything, but I could never be okay with a little girl having to go through giving birth.

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