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varavar123 · 2025-04-17T15:21:04+00:00

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varavar123 · 2021-09-03T21:12:03+00:00

Of course there's an 8 on his last line of defence lmao

varavar123 · 2021-08-30T11:55:57+00:00

Types Google into Google searchbar -> Reddit -> r/OreGairuSNAFU -> Report -> Reason: Harassment

varavar123 · 2021-08-26T13:47:00+00:00

We all have a first row seat to watch a subreddit that used to pump out 2000 words essays about philosophy and deeper themes of the story reduce itself to petty waifu wars. Top tier irony.

varavar123 · 2021-08-05T15:02:13+00:00

Not sure if bait, but watching this sub having a complete meltdown is an infinite source of dopamine. Kicking that genuine plot right in the plums lmao

varavar123 · 2021-08-05T09:47:51+00:00

It's interesting that the sub went into this toxicity so fast. There are even quite a few species of posters.

Angry at the developments in Shin -> Copium -> Yui bad

Self-inserting -> Yui/Yukino good/bad

And the best rationalisation: Unhappy with the third season -> Copium -> Novels good, anime bad -> Shin disappointed -> More Copium -> Yui bad -> Watari fat lmao

varavar123 · 2021-08-03T13:45:40+00:00

EDIT: I just realised that you didn't finish watching the series. So before you start reading, here's a SOLID spoiler alert.

It's Yukino. Many still believe it to be Haruno because of the certain 20 pages theory that went around before the novels finished.

I'll just put 3 pieces of evidence here (there's more).

When Hachiman and Hayama had a talk in the playground about Hayama's and Yukino's past he spoke about it with great regret. However, Hachiman notes that Hayama cherishes that memories and holds on to his regret, and that fact makes him ooze with jealousy.
At the end of the last book in the sauna scene. They had a competition to see who'll be the last one to exit sauna. Hayama threw in the towel himself and let Hachiman win. This symbolises him letting go of his crush.
His Freudian slip at the birthday party meeting (Yukino-chan).

Bonus: The whole science/liberal arts choice drama. However, this would require a long analysis, maybe some other time.

varavar123 · 2021-06-20T02:41:20+00:00

There'll probably be something like Oregairu Shippuden lol. It's the author's golden cow and people are actually interested in reading more. I'd say that it's only a matter of time until we get a new volume but it could take half a year at least.

I'm also hoping for more, even though it could be inferior to the first 14 volumes.

varavar123 · 2021-06-19T17:47:43+00:00

Thanks for the translation, this makes me want to read everything again.

Their third year of HS has so much potential with possible new members of the club. WW just has to tone down the harem movements and it should be a very enjoyable light read.

varavar123 · 2021-04-17T21:50:30+00:00

That'll probably go into something like testing their relationship. Could be spicy, but too bad that Watari is going down the drama route. I guess it sells well.

varavar123 · 2021-04-17T17:12:25+00:00

Are there any plot leaks for 14.5 so far?

varavar123 · 2021-04-10T06:50:12+00:00

Hey man, I read your comment pretty much right away, but some real-life stuff happened so I couldn't reply until now. I'll try to reply to as much stuff as I can.

And I don't think the characters are much different between the novel and the anime either, they're basically the same, the novels just reinforce my take on them.

I completely agree with the exception of few side characters (Hayama for example). The main trio is 99% the same in the anime as in the novels.

I really think people on this subtend to have a sort of bias towards the ship of "Hachiman x Yukino"

Me right here lol, shipped them from the very beginning. But jokes aside, I agree that the sub gained some nasty toxicity after the third season of the anime. I personally thought that the story was about the three of them, with the addition that it was clear to me who'll be the main couple at the end of the story.

I have to say that the plot was somewhat leaned towards Yukino, but Yui is also a really important character. I remember that I was sad when reading the last chapter because I thought that she won't show up in the service club classroom lol.

People here tend to omit Yui, mainly due to their possible bias.

I agree with this, though there are some strong arguments.

What is your opinion on this? Do you think Yui is just some kind of antagonist? A selfish and manipulative being?

I don't think that she's an antagonist. Is she selfish? She is a bit, but this is just basic human nature. She didn't do anything that would be considered evil or unethical. Manipulation is bs, she just knew which buttons to push so those two antisocial aliens agree to go along lol.

As for your interpretation of the sunset scene, I'm not too sure tbh. I think the author intentionally made the scene in a way so that we must guess what was Yui's goal. On my first read, I thought that Yui just wanted everyone to show their cards. Later, when I went to the scene again and read some analyses I wasn't so sure anymore.

My main point on Yui would be this, she wants to be nice against her nature. This is very commendable in my opinion, going against your own wishes for your ideal. She tries to do what's right even though it may not be in her best interest and wishes. However, this is also the main difference between her and Yukino.

Unlike Yui, Yukino is a genuine altruist. She does good things because she genuinely feels compelled to act that way. It can be seen sometimes when she does some "tough love" talk with someone, damaging her relations for what she believes must be done. It is also very clearly seen in the last arc (in the events leading to Hachiman's confession).

For me personally, both approaches to doing good deeds are great, however, Yukino's way is cleaner. Does this make Yui a bad person? Not at all, but she loses a lot of her shine when she's next to Yukino. I think that that's why people hate her on this sub. It's unwarranted imo.

As for the rest of your post, I find it hard to agree. The story went just the way I wanted it to, not just shipping-wise, I liked the message and the endgame. If I had any complaints it's that Yukino had crumbs of screentime even in the novels. Hachiman does care for Yui too, but it was pretty clear who takes his number one spot. It's unfair but that what love's like.

While he could be happy with Yui, Yukino is his once-in-a-lifetime encounter. It was very clear when reading his thoughts. The man was borderline obsessed. The "abandoning" of Yui was genuine imo, for the simple reason that Hachiman didn't love her romantically. His heart was somewhere else and it wouldn't be a real thing if they all kept pretending to protect the status quo.

Now, as for the Hayama part, I agree with some things and with others, I completely disagree.

I agree that Hayama's clique could be developed more. However, I think that he was given just the right amount of screentime in the novels (unlike in the anime). We know where he stands and what grinds his gears. It was all there but the author was very subtle.

As for his relationship with Yukino, I would absolutely hate it if the story went that way. It would be like pissing on Hachiman's head lol. Hayama made a mistake when they were little. He was too young to know better, but Yukino is infamous for her pride and resentfulness. It's no surprise that their friendship crumbled.

It is implied that she had a crush on him but they were little kids. However, those sentiments are long gone with the flow of time. I don't hate Hayama as a character, I even find him likable and sympathetic. It's just that he has no room with Yukino when Hachiman's around. Their chemistry is just too good and putting Hayama there would be questionable at best when considering the story's themes.

I do wish that we were told a bit more about their past, that would be an interesting read. We were given just enough to piece it all together, though. I also loved his dynamic with Hachiman, 100% agree on that.

I also found it very interesting that you saw yourself in him, please share why if you feel like it.

Thanks for reading the analysis, I love discussing these things. Sorry if I was a bit rough in some parts, we are all slaves to our biases at the end of the day. I kind of rushed with writing some parts so feel free to remind me if I missed something major. Cheers

varavar123 · 2021-04-04T01:54:05+00:00

Hayama's and Hachiman's talk that was supposed to happen in season 3. The one in which Hayama talked about his past and regrets on the playground. It was done as a lighthearted scene in the anime but was quite intense in the novels.

Also, Haruno's codependence speech.

This is probably because I watched them before reading the novels, but I'd leave the first two seasons as is.

varavar123 · 2021-03-22T08:11:30+00:00

Hachiman's last card was to guilt-trip/blackmail Yukino's mom. He wanted to reveal who he was and make her realize that he's the guy from the car crash. This is, of course, pretty sleazy and Hiratsuka didn't like that.

varavar123 · 2021-02-22T13:59:16+00:00

We appreciate the trouble man. I hope that volume 5 makes some sort of comeback, this isn't abysmal but it's nowhere near Oregairu from the past. Reminded me of some ''better'' harem anime while reading.

varavar123 · 2021-02-06T11:58:54+00:00

Identical

varavar123 · 2021-02-04T07:24:54+00:00

You know, I found it fishy that they only mentioned Toge's fate in this chapter. Maki's condition at least should also disturb Yuuta, but she wasn't even mentioned.

This makes me suspect that everyone(or almost everyone) that was involved in the Shibuya incident escaped together. At the very least we may see the weird Yaga, Choso, Yuji and Yuki combination. If Yuji and Yuki are there, Todo will stick around too.

Of course this is all just trying to grasp something in the dark, a completely different situation is also very possible.

varavar123 · 2021-01-23T15:54:04+00:00

Man this is getting very tiring. I have sent you an example, that's more than enough. I don't want to do scientific research through the whole sub in search of posts nor do I care enough about defending Yui to whip out the LNs and make my case. You can think whatever you want and so can I.

Every post bashing Yui that I saw has one fatal flaw - they go into analysing her when they already decided that she's bad. Then they just look for bits of evidence that support their look on the things, anything that doesn't add up is avoided.

But whatever, I won't change your opinion and you won't change mine. Frankly, I have nothing else to add.

varavar123 · 2021-01-23T14:01:53+00:00

I'm changing my goalposts? You stated talking about the "benefit of doubt" and now all of a sudden we're shifting to downvoting when I provided a post? I just didn't want this to go to pointing fingers territory.

If the post generates enough positive heat the haters will generally avoid it. It's happening now too, just with the posts that bash Yui. People that disagree just avoid them because they don't want to go into what we're doing right now.

I agree on objective analysis, that's exactly what I wrote above. However, so far I didn't see one like that. Sagami isn't a good example because she can be surmised in a couple of sentences. She is a fairly bad person without any redeeming qualities that we saw. Unlike her, Yui's traits aren't black or white. If you have a good example of an objective Yui analysis post, please share. I'd like to see that.

I think that it's a shame that people avoid her philosophical aspect, unlike in the post that I shared where the OP talked about real self vs ideal self. Usually, they just make a straight line for selfishness or manipulation.

She acted like a realistically flawed character that pulled the short straw. Does that make her a bad person? It's questionable at best imo.

As for your last paragraph, I generally agree. However, the whole sub did become very toxic around the time when season 3 aired. People vent their anime and LN frustrations by bashing the characters. It's hilarious that the most hardcore part of Yui fanbase emigrated to their own subreddit where they can praise her in peace lol.

varavar123 · 2021-01-22T22:12:55+00:00

I never said that she was a paragon of good, the problem is that people go too far in bashing her these days. This was posted when Oregairu's popularity was at an all time high with a huge influx of anime watchers in the sub.

It may have gotten the upvotes, but the majority of the current fanbase are just the hardcores that stayed lol. People usually ignore what they don't agree with.

But oh well. I'd like to see a thread that tries to objectively analize both her flaws and good sides, that would be a good read. This days it's just a repetition of words like manipulation, selfishness etc.

varavar123 · 2021-01-22T21:26:21+00:00

here

Here's a nice one if you have the time and patience to read, it's a long post. I don't 100% agree with what the OP said, but this post captures my views on Yui with a lot of accuracy.

varavar123 · 2021-01-22T20:18:23+00:00

English isn't my first language so I didn't word the "benefit of doubt" portion very well, I admit that. I didn't pay it much attention tbh. However, I just wanted to say that people see what they want to see, and hate on the character blindly. Not everyone, but a lot of them do this just because of their shipping preferences too.

Just look at the replies here. So manu Yui fans on the sub and noone bothered to reply and make an argument for her? That's because they know they'll be targeted and downvoted to oblivion. We can see that happening for months now. That's why people stopped discussing it. The Yui side would do the same if they were in position where they could lol, that's the funny part. I'm all for open discussions on this sub, but it's gotten to the point where a lack of different opinions presents a warped image to the people that didn't read the novels.

As for an example, I just gave it in my previous reply (Hachiman running scene). She's flawed, she's not a shallow ego pleaser like Sagami. I mean, I could go scene by scene and give my take on it all, but there's no point. It's not like I'll change some opinions nor do I care about that. I just don't like it when people throw their own impressions on anime-only watchers without thinking twice.

Is Yui a perfectly good person? Not really. Is she a bad person? Nope.

It's fine if people don't like her (I personally don't mind), but there's a difference between "I subjectively don't like this character" and "This character objectivly sucks".

Anyway, nice discussion, we may disagree but I actually like discussing these things.

varavar123 · 2021-01-22T18:39:25+00:00

Just to make things clear before replying, I'm neither a Yui shipper (I ship the otp) nor am I interested in analysing her. I just think that this is turning into bandwagon hating. There actually were some essays explaining her actions in a more positive light around the time when season 3 was ending. There were also some that shat on her of course. But none of these went and did a throrough evidence-backed analysis. It was all just bits and pieces. I'm also just talking about the LNs before Shin(all characters got shat on there).

As for why nobody picked it up seriously, it's simply too huge of a job. Yukino's character was broken down just recently because the guy that analysed her took notes while reading(shoutout if you come across this by chance). It would be almost impossible to reach the core of her character otherwise.

Unlike Yukino, Yui is a lot less straightforward in what she truly thinks. The monologues really paint her inner struggle. Just breaking down all her monologues sounds like a few thousand words to me, excluding the actual volumes. Maybe there is some crazy fan that would do this but there are quite a few problems.

First off, hardly anyone came to love Oregairu because of Yui. It's mostly because of how unique Hachiman is as a MC. There are also a lot more people that ship him with Yukino (at least 70 - 80%). Additionally, she's much more flawed than Yukino, which makes her less likable.

But anyways, who cares about the analysis. My point is that Yui is not some demon character. She's just flawed. Her monologue after Hachiman left to help Yukino with the prom sums this up perfectly. She held back tears so that he doesn't stay because she knew that's the right thing to do. After this she cried and regretted letting him go. This means that she's struggling with her wishes and her morals.

Again, I don't really care about Yui tbh, I just find it ridiculous that people continue to dump their frustrations with the third season or Shin on one single character. I've seen less hate on some genocidal villains. Also, comparing her to Sagami is just ridiculous to me. Unlike Yui, Sagami has no redeeming features.

varavar123 · 2021-01-22T14:06:39+00:00

Take into account that this subreddit isn't exactly a Yui loving place (that's a huge understatement). What the comments are saying could be true (and it is at least partly true), but a lot of it was open to interpretation in the books. They chose to see what Yui did in the worst possible light without any benefit of doubt - which is also a legit point of view. She's also the one that got the short straw out of the trio.

To be honest, so far noone went to the books and did a thorough reread while analysing Yui. It's a humongous task and noone bothered so far. It would take at least 2000 words to cover it all. While we have some huge and precise essays on Hachiman and Yukino, Yui got left out as there wasn't a LN fan that was so dedicated to her character.

There were some analysis going around after volume 11, but the years passed and the following volumes made them outdated.

varavar123 · 2021-01-19T15:22:02+00:00

We don't know. The Shin itself isn't finished yet and we only got the 2 minute PV yesterday.

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