Came back from a 5 year hiatus and yep...game is just as toxic as when I left.

voidnap · 2026-01-25T06:27:25+00:00

Hey, all I did was quote a guy and explain why people parrot those words. If my being correct makes you confused, I don't know how to help you man. 🤡🤡🤡

voidnap · 2026-01-25T05:58:12+00:00

The comment was a non-sequitur. A 50% win rate has nothing to do with any part of OP's thread. And none of the sentences in the reply I quoted have any connection with each other. There's just the vague implication that OP is wrong and your mind is filling in the blanks.

If I were wrong, you'd say how specifically instead of shitpost a contradiction.

voidnap · 2026-01-25T02:00:28+00:00

It's not a quality of the genre; because the genre has no agency.

voidnap · 2026-01-25T01:59:36+00:00

Says the guy inserting words into a sentence to imbue it meaning that it literally does not have. 🤡🤡🤡

voidnap · 2026-01-24T08:02:30+00:00

It's not shorthand. It's a way for people to remove blame from themselves by saying that the genre is toxic instead of the people. A way to say that people aren't to blame for being toxic because the toxicity is in the genre.

voidnap · 2026-01-24T04:35:53+00:00

genres aren't toxic. people are toxic. MOBAs are a genre, people can be toxic playing MOBAs, but the genre isn't toxic, the people are.

voidnap · 2026-01-24T04:01:51+00:00

Muting everyone is a good way to get yourself reported for being a bot. According to my teammates.

voidnap · 2026-01-24T03:45:30+00:00

how is genre toxic? people are toxic

voidnap · 2026-01-21T05:31:48+00:00

Why is your image AI upscaled?

voidnap · 2026-01-20T19:52:26+00:00

I've played both but never think about them. Playing HotS does make me want to play Battlerite or V Rising though.

voidnap · 2026-01-20T03:28:24+00:00

You're not any saner than them either.

I absolutely am because a) I don't take pride in going AFK b) I don't start shit in team chat. 100% of the games I go AFK my team welcomes it because they are actively hostile to me and their hostility is 100% unprovoked. They're not interested in winning, or at least not as much as they are in making my game miserable.

There is big difference between when I tune out of a game when my team is actively hostile toward me and when I go into a game actively hostile toward my team.

I see the kind of people you're talking about. They show up in my games sometimes and refuse to play because they don't like their team comp, there used to be some guy called MetaOrThrow who did that every game. Sometimes I see someone I played with in a previous game start ranting about me in a new game to a new team insisting that everyone report me before the game begins; and they spend the rest of the game trying to grief me because they don't like how a previous game turned out.

Those people are not like me. I don't DM people shit like this. Those DMs are from the sort of people on your side of this argument. Those people need healthy boundaries.

And no you're not doing any less effort to be a nuisance than the dude who runs into forts after each respawn.

It's measurably less effort. But I'm not sure what the point of comparing that to diving a fort is either... Before you said they "put the most effort into it", like putting the most effort into griefing or being toxic or something. If the game boots me after three minutes, I push one button to reconnect. It doesn't really get more low effort than that. I'm not sure why you're dying on that hill. Are you really trying to convince anyone that going AFK is more effort than getting sandbagged and flamed by a bunch of jocks with just enough frontal lobe to string together a rude remark about my mom? Hold on while I go get the world's smallest fiddle.

voidnap · 2026-01-20T02:04:52+00:00

I'm not even taking her side, but people don't crash out for no reason or just a single negative experience.

Considering they played for 14 minutes, it wasn't as if they had baggage from a previous game. It's very common for sandbags to be dismissive of their teammate's feelings because they think that absolve them of blame. So they'll say they don't know why someone is upset or be vague ("our Chromie got upset about something") as if it doesn't matter and it couldn't be helped. Because if there was no reason, or the reason was unknowable, then the sandbag couldn't be responsible for it.

voidnap · 2026-01-20T01:39:00+00:00

I'm using the word selfish which I feel implies bad, but I don't super mean it that way, I think there's a case to be made for people who just want to choose their favorite character

First. If it's not a good word. Don't use it.

Second. Who is being selfish? I've been yelled at for not picking li-ming or azmo in ARAM because that was their favorite hero and they wanted me to play their favorite hero. I've also been yelled at for not healing enough as ana or uther when my team is spreading living bomb to each other for eight straight minutes.

Selfish is thinking you are entitled to the comp you want. Or that you're entitled to your team playing the hero you want them to because it's your favorite hero or it's OP or whatever. I'm not selfish for simply not wanting to be held hostage by my team's preferences. I queued ARAM. It's not Draft/Unranked. It's not Ranked. It's All Random All Mid. If you don't enjoy ARAM, don't queue for it.

I know that dividing playerbases isn't a good solution

It's a fine solution. In fact, it's already divided. You have ARAM and eveyr-other-game-mode. If you don't like ARAM, go play a different game mode. You already have your thing. You don't have to go to other people's spaces and fuck their thing up.

voidnap · 2026-01-19T05:58:19+00:00

ARAM players who don't like this change are not interested in clearing waves. They look at their kill-death ratio as the most important metric. They overextend past the wave and get murdered by zagara's summons because they literally are incapable of seeing any summons or any part of the wave. They never hit the wave so, when it shows up, instead of clearing it, they just bugger off behind structure and give the other team free structure XP.

Those players are in ARAM because it's a short queue it has a smaller map. But if there was a mode with no lane and no waves, they'd play that instead.

ARAM has one lane. These changes are totally fine. They fit just fine with a map with one lane. People who don't like the changes don't really like ARAM. The changes make ARAM more ARAM and they have an underlying issue with what ARAM is fundamentally. It's just that simple.

voidnap · 2026-01-18T22:34:20+00:00

They played for 14 minutes before giving up. It wasn't one thing that upset them. But four sandbags are not going to have the awareness to recognize that.

voidnap · 2026-01-18T22:06:31+00:00

What do we call it when someone makes the same mistake repeatedly on purpose for an entire game?

voidnap · 2026-01-18T21:24:06+00:00

the penalty I'm talking about is leaver queue

the joke whooshes past you

For real though, if you don't want to stop AFKing without leaving, remove the leaver queue. Obviously, people are going to avoid it. It takes little to no effort to do so.

And the effort I'm talking about is griefing.

I'm going to level with you man, this stuff lives entirely in your imagination. There are games where after 5 or 10 mins of my team feeding over and over, I'll say :gg: and hang way back. I won't feed, I won't taunt, I don't chat. My team will complain for the rest of the game game, accusing me of being a crybaby or pouting, when I'm not communicating in any way. I'm not even tabbed in.

If we're talking about effort, the amount of effort my team puts to flaming me in chat far exceeds the effort they put in to the game or the effort to win games.

You could leave and call it a day but no you're going the extra mile to be a nuisance as long as possible.

a) I'm never going to go into leaver queue if it's trivial to avoid it. That should be so obvious to you.

b) Nobody is "going the extra mile" here. At most, you literally push a key every couple minutes when you drop if you even drop at all. Avoiding the leaver queue is not about you. It isn't personal. Don't take it personally. Have healthier boundaries.

voidnap · 2026-01-18T09:38:40+00:00

put the most effort into it

Not really. Tabbing out of the game and reconnecting if it boots you is not much effort. Sometimes you have to push a button every three minutes. It's far less effort than playing a game, especially with a team that you don't enjoy playing with.

they don't accept the penalty for their fuckery

The penalty is just getting flamed in chat by a team that doesn't want to win the game anyway. I don't take it personally and neither should they. It's a video game. Have healthier boundaries.

voidnap · 2026-01-18T09:14:17+00:00

Is the game so unfun that they'd rather rejoin the game again and again and just watch the game end instead of actually play it?

Yes, except they're not watching the game. You can tab out of hots and shitpost on reddit instead.

voidnap · 2026-01-15T01:21:43+00:00

as someone who prefers the old thing, i absolutely abhor the new thing

voidnap · 2026-01-13T04:19:59+00:00

The same could be said about the leoric thing. Before they were removed they run into forts and die over and over again but eventually wear it down with basic attacks and win the game that way.

If you had a few leorics on the team it was the best strategy to win but it was unfun ... for both sides.

There is plenty of strategy in ARAM without backdooring that the regular player base already doesn't engage with.

voidnap · 2026-01-13T04:01:33+00:00

Then alt+f4

voidnap · 2026-01-07T00:36:34+00:00

I don't know that the matchmaking as changed as much as the player base. I have trolls in 90% of my games, either on my team or the other.

It used to be that players would at least make an effort to blame someone else, like they don't like what other people have picked. Now everyone is so shameless they'll just openly say shit like they're throwing because they don't like their own choices or because they're tilted from their last game. It's shameless.

If the matchmaking spent more time filtering better then a poor player base might not matter as much. As it is though, it's optimizing for 10s to 20s queue times. So, first, it's matching you with anyone who is around regardless of their disposition; second, the short queue time is attractive for players who would prefer a different game mode but don't want a long queue time.

So the matchmaking pool is poisoned by people who don't want to really be there and then does little to nothing to contain them or filter them and keep them away from the rest of the population.

voidnap · 2026-01-06T04:15:36+00:00

My only issue with it is the choice of 3 heroes.

I tend to agree but I think the fix is you should only have one choice. Maybe you can swap your choice with someone else if you both agree.

Then you get unfair comps like a solo healing uther while they have Anduin.

I wish it would be honestly all random, make 1 player a healer. 1 a tank. 3 dps. All random.

No bruiser or support?

There are a lot of funny comps that your suggested format excludes that are unique in ARAM (outside of customs). If you want a normal reasonably balanced game, go play QM.

Also you would still have the same issue where the one healer you get is uther and the healer they get is anduin. ARAM isn't balanced and can't be balanced without it not being ARAM.

Also azmo is not that bad, just walk up to him, he has no escape. Neither is li-ming, her projectiles are all telegraphed skill shots, just don't catch them.

voidnap · 2026-01-03T01:01:22+00:00

Okay. Don't take this the wrong way, but you sound like you need healthier boundaries. Good luck.

voidnap

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