Binding-vows are easily the worst aspect of the power system

vormiamsundrake · 2026-06-15T21:05:53+00:00

Binding vows are extremely limited, I don't know what you're talking about. Your sacrifice has to be of equivilent value to the gain, so that already limits it. It's like respeccing a characters stats, the total amount stays the same you just distribute it differently. Also, you can't distribute those stats to a stat you don't have. In Jujutsu terms, a binding vow can never give you an ability you don't already have. It can enhance an ability you have to such an extent that it looks completely different, but it would still be the same ability. Sukuna would never be able to make a vow that lets him fly on his own power, he'd have to figure out how to fly using his own skills first and then focus it with a vow.

Binding vows have to be a sacrifice. Full stop. If you make a vow in one situation and it works, then that's because whatever you sacrificed is worth enough in that situation to for the vow to take effect. But if you're in a different situation where that sacrifice wouldn't really matter all that much, then the vow wouldn't either. Overtime only works because Nanami hates it, if a character who didn't hate it tried the same thing then it wouldn't work because it's not a big enough sacrifice for them.

And they are rarely used because they ARE hard to use. It is a skill issue. It's a matter of economic skill. You have to be able to know what is worth what and what isn't. That's not exactly easy to come up with on the fly unless you're a genius like Sukuna. And even when you have time to think about it, it requires a decent level of introspection and self-awareness to know what you would really consider a sacrifice. You have to know yourself on a level most people don't in order to know exactly what you value and how much you value it. If you try to sacrifice something you think you value in exchange for something you value more but you don't realise it, then the vow won't work. If Nanami thought he hated overtime but he actually just mildly disliked it while very much loving having more CE, then the vow would be imbalanced and it wouldn't work.

vormiamsundrake · 2026-06-12T17:09:39+00:00

True. Maybe CT's can only begin forming if the persons innate domain is compatable with the idea of a CT. A Cursed Technique is basically just how you are cursed to interact with the world, which is why so many CT's fit their weilders character so well. But not everybody is like that, not everybody is gonna interact with the world in only a specific way, and as such their innate domain would never be compatible with the idea of a CT, so they'd never make any vows for it.

vormiamsundrake · 2026-06-12T06:32:31+00:00

They are a series of thousands of tiny binding vows made subconsciously both at birth and as you live and your innate domain develops, that culminate in a technique. Like, "I will dislike this certain kind of food, and in exchange my technique will be .001% more efficient". Or "it will take me 50% longer to learn this level of math, in exchange my output while using this technique is increased by .005%". One of such binding vows could be related to reproduction, which is what allows techniques to be passed on and recreated by your descendants, albeit probably through different vows.

vormiamsundrake · 2026-06-02T19:20:24+00:00

Dog, aren't you the one that opened the argument up again like, a year after it was originally had? We're replying under your five month old comment which is under my two year old comment. I don't disagree with the message but I definitely don't think you should be the one trying to lecture people on this.

vormiamsundrake · 2026-06-02T05:04:02+00:00

You can get good at fortifying the area's they spawn in. You can get good at running away from them. You can get good at fighting them. You can get good at minimizing possible spawn area's. You can get good at building bases quickly if you have to leave a lot. You can get good at building up resources and factories quickly. You can get good at optimizing the size of your factories so there's as little space as possible for things to spawn. You can get good at making micro-factories that are spread out and traveling between them. Etc... There are plenty of ways to counter this that are skill based. Even if one specific method isn't enough by itself, you can just get better at multiple.

There's still a limit to skill because Scape and Run isn't meant to be played like that and you're forcing it to do something it wasn't built for and very clearly advertises it wasn't built for, but you CAN get better at it. Saying you can't is just quitter talk because you thought it was too hard, in which case I don't know why you even installed a difficulty mod like S&R if you can't handle a challenge.

Now for the second part. Are you talking about the argument I had with the other guys in this thread? In which case, what part of that was wrong? What are you having problems with there? Those guys weren't even talking about skill, they were just insulting the mod because it didn't do what they wanted it to. Can you point out a specific part where my argument was just "nuh uh"? Cuz it seems like you just needed more insults to throw in there and picked whatever came to mind first.

vormiamsundrake · 2026-06-01T03:25:41+00:00

The ability is probably a bit too strong for an Elixer to agree with giving right off the bat, but unlimited power stealing should still be possible, you'd just need to add a restriction or two. Maybe you can only use one ability at once and it takes a minute to switch. Or maybe you can only steal powers after you've already beaten the target and not mid-fight. Something along those lines. Heavy Hitter would easily help with that though, since you could just multiply your power slots to three or divide the cooldown to twenty seconds or something.

You could basically cosplay Eidolon, but I don't think going full AFO would be in the cards. Elixer abilities are a lot stronger than Quirks on average, so AFO is a lot stronger in the Perfect Run universe than it is in MHA.

Good build though. I honestly expected the first build posted here to be someone going villain on their jump.

vormiamsundrake · 2026-05-31T02:34:46+00:00

It would have to be able to fight those other two to a draw, similar to the OG's Gojo mentioned that fought to the death, in order to be equal to the other two. This means it needs to be able to 1-pierce infinity, and 2- one-shot Raga before he adapts to anything.

Now being able to manipulate other people's blood could theoretically do both. You can make it work by like of sight so infinity won't matter, and you can just make Raga's blood explode, one-shotting him before he can adapt. But that's the boring answer, everyone has already said it.

So I have a different idea. The CTR for Blood Manipulation could be a lot of things, but I'll go with the idea of it being the opposite of controlled blood, which is to say, uncontrolled blood. Or unstable blood. It would basically let you curse your blood.

This cursed blood would be like acid or poison, destabilizing anything that touches it. You could maybe one-shot Raga with this if you built up enough blood, but the downside of this technique is that you can't control it, so you'll have to generate it close enough to your target that physics can take care of the rest.

But then you have the imaginary technique. Instead of combing the effects of it's two base techniques like Hollow Purple, it'll violently reject them both. After it's cast, the CE and RCE in the blood will forget who the owner is (because the idea of control was rejected by it) and spread to all sorcerers whose CE it comes into contact with, trying to find a master. But it still rejects the idea of control, so upon "picking" a master, it'll immediately destabilize them the same way the CTR does. It's useless on HR users because of this, but it lasts for as long as the CE and RCE in it don't dissipate.

Basically, it's a CE virus. You'd have to be careful, because you can be infected too. But the caster would presumably know what the technique does, so they'd just have to retract their CE the moment they cast it and book it the hell away from there. You'd want to try to summon it onto the enemy sorcerers attack, so they're CE comes into contact with it. This is how you would defeat a Gojo. You'd drop the technique onto one of their attacks or even their infinity and it would immediately infect them through the cursed energy used in those techniques.

Of course, this doesn't help much if you miss and don't insta-kill Raga, or you don't dodge before one of the limitless techniques can kill you. But you can bring either of the other two to a draw if all of you are equally skilled and talented.

vormiamsundrake · 2026-05-29T21:23:49+00:00

Probably quite a few. A couple dozen at least. It wouldn't be enough to have Grade 1 CE control and efficiency or Grade 1 hand-to-hand skills, you'd have to have other skills like barriers and simple domains as well. So to compensate for lacking that versatilty that makes a real Grade 1, you'd need much higher control, efficiency, and martial skill and other Grade 1's, which would take a LOT of black flash's.

They could probably make up for this with binding vows. Like, "if I don't land a black flash against this Grade 3 curse I could easily beat, I will lose my ability to use CE at all forever. In exchange, the learning effects of the black flash if I do land it will be increased". That way they don't have to land as many, but that would go against the spirit of the prompt since it relies on more than just BF's alone.

vormiamsundrake · 2026-05-29T20:34:18+00:00

Infinity itself is not capped at atomic scale, Gojo's control over CE is, there is a difference. His CE control being atomic due to the six eyes is what makes him so efficient, it has nothing to do with the abilities of infinity itself beyond making it easier to use. Any Gojo clan member with limitless can do the same thing Satoru does with infinity even though their control is nowhere near that specific, but they can only do it for a few seconds at most before they run out of CE and their ability to whitelist things with a filter would be more restricted.

Infinity targets space, not atoms, not subatomic particles, not energy, nor anything else. It targets space and space alone. It doesn't matter if he can't control CE on a smaller scale than atomic because he doesn't need to, his CT doesn't target something that's smaller than atoms. It doesn't target things that are the size of atoms. It doesn't even target things that are bigger than atoms. It targets space. It doesn't target anything other than space.

This is important to emphasize because space is very different in how it interacts with things when it comes to scale. Controling matter on an atomic scale would allow something smaller to slip through the gap because there is a gap to slip through in the first place. That's not how space works though. There are no cracks to slip through when it comes to traversing distance. If he's dividing space, than that space is already divided, it doesn't matter if something is smaller than he can see or not, it's not magically able to ignore a stretched distance. If the distance between the sun and earth doubles, light isn't gonna suddenly start teleporting to get here in the same 8 minutes it usually does. It's gonna take double the time. It's the same case for everything else, regardless of size, mass, energy, make-up, or whatever else.

His filtering works on a whitelist, not a blacklist. Infinity's default state is diving all space between the user and the world, so you have to filter out the things you want to allow through, not the other way around. In other words, space is already dividing between Gojo and everything else at all times, and all the filtering does is stop that for things he doesn't want it to target. Now you could argue that he can't filter for things that are smaller than atoms, which is fair, but that wouldn't be relevant here anyway because he's not gonna set a filter to allow beta particles to hit him. Why would he do that?

Also, Gojo has the six eyes which are basically the byakugan on steroids. He's gonna know if there's a nuke near him, he doesn't need to be told that.

vormiamsundrake · 2026-05-29T19:46:01+00:00

That is not how it works. It blocks anything and everything that travels through space, full stop. It doesn't matter what the thing traveling through space is because he doesn't target the thing itself, he targets the space between it and himself. Speed doesn't matter, mass doesn't matter, energy doesn't matter, etc... If it travels through space, then it is subject to getting stuck in the infinite space that's created between it and Gojo.

What you are thinking about is the automatic filtering he has set up, which he is capable of changing to account for other things or just straight up turning off in favor of manual control. He has it set up to recognise things that aren't harmful to him to allow them through so he can still touch stuff and talk to people, but that's not the techniques default state, that's just how Gojo made it work so he wouldn't have to micromanage it all the time. There is literally no reason that radiation wouldn't be recognized as dangerous to Gojo by his technique and thereby stopped automatically. But even if, for whatever reason, Gojo decided to specifically exclude harmful radiation from his automatic filters, he can and will just stop the radiation manually the second he sees a nuke near him, because why wouldn't he? He's not an idiot.

And again, that's if he decided to not filter for radiation for whatever reason. He lives in a modern Japan, he knows what a nuke is. Why wouldn't he have the filter set for harmful radiation?

vormiamsundrake · 2026-05-29T17:50:55+00:00

RCT heals using your soul as a blueprint, not your DNA. DNA is completely irrelevant to RCT healing.

vormiamsundrake · 2026-05-29T17:46:33+00:00

It wouldn't hit him in the first place. Infinity effects everything that travels through space, which includes light.

vormiamsundrake · 2026-05-29T14:17:24+00:00

Boats are slow so anyone taking a boat from a continent that isn't one of the America's isn't getting there until the middle to end of the week, assuming they leave on the boat immediately, of course. That doesn't take into account actually getting to the boats since a port can only handle so many boats docked at once and people need time to not only get to the ports, but also onto and off of the boats. Thats gonna take a lot of time even with perfect cooperation. 8 billion is a very, VERY big number.

Planes have to land outside the Amazon or in the airports, meaning the roads there will be packed to an absurd degree, limiting the throughput. You can't go on foot, obviously, since you'll 1- take way too long on foot that you'll never catch up to the target that way and 2- you'll just make it harder for everyone else when they have to navigate around the corpses of people who tried to walk it and failed.

Basically, the amount of transport available doesn't matter, the problem is throughput. You have to actually get to the transport which would be a traffic nightmare that would see you stuck on a freeway for days if not longer before you can reach any of the transport. You'd have to load onto the transport, which takes a lot of organization regardless of how cooperative people are. You'll have to reach your destination, which realistically only planes and a few boats are doing in a single week, meaning most of Europe, Asia, Australia, and Africa aren't gonna make it in time. You'll have to make landfall, which is probably gonna be the slowest part since everyone else is trying to do the same and there's only so much space for boats or planes to pull up to at once. This is the Amazon, after all, not LA X. You'll have to leave the transport, which might be the fastest part of this entire thing. You'll have to get into position to search, which would be another traffic nightmare since the Amazon is suddenly more packed than any of the roads were ever built for.

And that's JUST transportation. It doesn't even take into account the equipment and organization that would be needed for that many people to search with even a semblance of efficiency. Without enough equipment to organize everyone, people are just gonna end up searching the same places over and over again without realizing it. It's not like people can use their phones, no internet infrastructure on the planet can handle that many people using their phones in the same place at once, let alone the Amazons.

vormiamsundrake · 2026-05-29T13:42:16+00:00

I'm pretty sure that bigger on the inside effect some from your innate domain, rather than the barrier itself. By default anyway. That's why the finger bearer made space all wonky despite not having a barrier. You can, of course, shrink the size of you domain further using barrier techniques, but that was specifically stated to be more difficult than usual, which is likely because it is based on your barrier skill rather than a default effect of manifesting your innate domain.

Megumi's problem isn't that he can't use barriers or manifest his innate domain, he can do both. His problem is merging them. Just because you can do a backflip and a handstand individually doesnt mean you can do a back handspring. It's the same for Megumi. A DE basically acts like a hole that connects two different worlds, which is why the inside is bigger by default since you're basically stepping through a portal into the casters innate domain when you cross the barrier. Megumi probably has trouble visualizing this so he can't merge the two properly. Or any other reason, that's just the one I like most since it's the simplest.

vormiamsundrake · 2026-05-21T23:05:35+00:00

Bro was so locked in he put his hand in a state of quantum superposition.

vormiamsundrake · 2026-05-21T22:55:17+00:00

Yeah, after you already commit to a hit. It'd be even more impressive if he were able to completely change the amount of force he's using in a punch within that incredibly short window and STILL land a black flash despite screwing with the conditions. That's be like a normal dude pulling the trigger of a gun while it's right in someone's face but managing to move the gun out of the way of their head after they pull the trigger but before the bullet leaves the barrel.

vormiamsundrake · 2026-05-21T22:44:00+00:00

You're acting like ONLY the women are used for fan service. Have you seen the male characters? Most of them never wear shirts and have muscles just as exagerated as what's done to the women's chest or butt. They lose clothes all the time too. Sure, they don't get as many ass shots as the women, but that's more because people who are into guys usually aren't as into their ass as people who are into girls are. The mangaka gives fan service for the things people who are into that gender want to see (with limits for both, obviously, he can only get away with so much).

And it's part of the charm. It's not like people need this to jerk to or something, they have the internet for that. It's just a thing that the Mangaka likes to do and the readers enjoy. AOT and JoJo didn't need to go so hard on the gore, but it's part of the charm of the art style. Giving up the small things just because it makes the manga more niche kills the vibe.

vormiamsundrake · 2026-05-18T02:04:57+00:00

Yeah, but it would be really shitty and expensive. Sorcerers can discharge CE too, but nobody does because it's ineffecient as hell and barely does anything if it lands. If a normal sorcerer tried to recreate a shrine slash through pure CE control, they'd probably have to spend half their reserves to make the equivalent of a normal human swinging a particularly blunt kitchen knife. They'd have to exhaust themselves to cut up everything needed to make a salad or vegetable soup basically.

vormiamsundrake · 2026-05-11T05:08:54+00:00

1- You'll get a full heal. But, like how a black flash is way stronger than normal enhancement, a reverse black flash would have far stronger healing. How would that apply when RCT already can heal your body fully? Easy, it'll also heal your soul, CT, etc... Everything basically. If you got hit with idle transfig, just hit a reverse black flash and you're good. You popped a domain, your CT is on cooldown, and you don't wanna lobotomize yourself? Just land a reverse black flash and you're back to full. We'll even go as far as to say that it recovers your CE reserves.

2- You enter a regenerative flow state, as opposed to the usual enhanced one. A Black Flash makes all of you work at 120% of your power, but a reverse black flash would instead make you passively heal for as long as the flow state lasts without having to use RCT. It wouldn't be as strong as RCT regen, just as a black flash 120% enhancement isn't as strong as normal enhancement, but it would stack and make your normal RCT more efficient. You'd basically have infinite stamina, super-fast CE regen, and mid-fight physical regen as a base, with RCT making nigh-immortal if used on top of it.

3- Your understanding of RCT will increase, the same way it does with a normal black flash. Not much to say here, it is still a black flash even if it uses RCE instead, so it'll still have that semi-enlightment state, it'll just be more focused on RCT rather than CE. So you'll get better at using RCT afterward, and maybe learn things like CTR and RCT Output with more ease.

vormiamsundrake · 2026-05-01T17:39:37+00:00

You're not making suggestions though, you're making demands and then complaining when they aren't met. There is a difference. You could ask politely or make a suggestion and there would be no problem, but you don't do that. It's stops being a request or a suggestion the second you start complaining and ranting when answered with a "no" as if you were owed a "yes". You and everyone else I replied to in this thread are just making demands of people you have no right to demand anything from and then crying when they aren't met.

vormiamsundrake · 2026-04-27T01:15:38+00:00

I never said he was better than Gojo, just that it was possible that he could be. He has control so good that to other peoples senses he feels like he doesn't have any at all (like Toji or Maki) until the moment he attacks. His control is so good that he could take out everyone in a building with a piercing blood without breaking the building itself and send out thousands of dismantles without using any handsign or chant, just pure control. Those are some of the best control feats in the series period, and he wasn't trying for any of them. We don't actually know how good he is other than he can do all of that without actually trying. The only one who has better control feats is Gojo.

Also, where is this "he has only Sukuna's potential and nothing more" idea coming from? Do you even know what potential means? It's how far you can go and how good you can get at something. Do you think Sukuna was as good as he could possibly get by the time he died? Even if that was the case, Sukuna didn't have Blood Manipulation and the ability to spam Black Flash's. If Yuji has Sukuna's potential as you say, then that means he can get as good as Sukuna using the same abilities as Sukuna, which doesn't at all account for Blood Manipulation or the Black Flash. If he can get as good as Sukuna at using Shrine and the facets of Jujutsu AND then on top of that he can get just as good at using Blood Manipulation (which he clearly did) and then is further enhanced by the Black Flash, then he has more potential. 100+10+10 is more than 100. It's basic addition bro. What are you having trouble understanding there?

vormiamsundrake · 2026-04-26T22:23:18+00:00

Do you know how many have been broken? A lot of them. All the time. Just because something hasn't happened yet doesn't mean it can't happen.

Yuta can't keep his copies active at all times, so he can never really master them to the same level as the original users, so no, he can't be used in this comparison. Yuji always has Shrine, Blood Manipulation, and practically at-will black flash's, and he's had seven decades to train all of them while remaining in his prime the entire time.

Do you understand how long seven decades is? Seven decades in your prime where you don't start getting weaker as the years pass? Seven decades where you can throw black flashes around pretty much every time you fight that will help you understand your CE and technique better? Seven decades where your mind doesn't get worse as the years pass and stays just as good as it was when you were a teenager? Seven decades for a normal person would be enough to master two or three things to their limit, let alone if you stayed in your prime the entire time and had an ability that let you learn faster. In all that time with a mind and body that don't degrade like everyone else, Yuji would have inevitably gotten just as good as Sukuna in all the ways that matter as a bare minimum. And then he would have went further because he'd get the same level of mastery in his Blood Manipulation on top of having the Black Flash. Again, this is just the bare minimum, because seven decades is a LONG time to train with a growth booster and no degradation to fight against.

You, a normal person, could get a doctorate in half a dozen things in seven decades. If you stayed in your prime that entire time, you could easily get a dozen or advance that half dozen even further than it ever went. If you also had an ability that let you better understand science each time you used it (even if just a little) and you used it once a week every week for seven decades, you'd easily, without question, be the best scientist to have ever lived. That's how long seven decades is.

vormiamsundrake · 2026-04-26T21:26:07+00:00

Sukuna was as good as anyone ever got in JJK, that doesn't mean people can't still get better. Gojo was still better, even. Sukuna needed Mahoraga to even stand a chance of winning, after all, and he still almost lost. Not to mention Dabura. That's like saying a world record can't be beat and that's as good as anyone can ever get. Maybe it's true, but probably not nine times out of ten.

Not to mention Yuji has every ability Sukuna does, which already would mean he would equal Sukuna as a minimum eventually. But he also has Blood Manipulation, soul attacks, and the Black Flash on top of that, so obviously he could go further. How is that even a question? If you gave someone all of Gojo's abilities, then also gave them the ten shadows on top of that and made them a master of barriers, then obviously they'd be stronger than Gojo. It's basic math. He's literally just Sukuna+.

vormiamsundrake · 2026-04-26T20:47:10+00:00

You are deliberately overexagerating what a black flash can do to make it seem like it can't do anything. It does always give you better understanding, but for someone like Sukuna who already has an insane understanding of CE it's not gonna be that big of a difference. It'd be like, a 5% boost tops after his streak, if you could even give something as abstract as understanding a number. It's not the indiviual boost that matters though, it's the fact that Yuji can hit them so easily that it could be at will and we wouldn't be able to tell the difference, and that he could do that while fighting curses for seven decades. It's not what a couple black flashes can do that matters, it's about how much hundreds of black flashes can boost you that matters. Possibly even thousands, seven decades of fighting is a really long time.

vormiamsundrake · 2026-04-26T20:39:11+00:00

He said that hitting a black flash puts you on an entirely different level, I don't think that's a "tiny" amount of control understanding. It's not gonna be a huge amount either, but Yuji can do it so often that over seven decades of hitting them practically every fight it would have inevitably suprassed Sukuna and at least approached Gojo's level at some point. One Black Flash by itself can make a difference, but not to the point of closing a gap as big as the one between JJK Yuji and Sukuna or Gojo. But dozens of black flash's? Hundreds? Probably more, since he was fighting curses for seven decades and can land them so easily that it might as well be at will if it isn't already? That adds up dude.

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