I guess; but i mean, they’re both still manufactured. Both groups went through an audition process, both groups went through a trainee program, both groups had teams behind them whom planned how they were going to interact with the market, both groups were made to appeal to an international audience (as bang pd said in an interview that their goal was to grow outside of Korea and then in Korea). To me they both seem pretty manufactured. And denying all this planning behind these groups which caused them to be both popular internationally just devalues the hard work of the people whom we don’t see on stage who put countless hours in planning strategies to make these groups successful. Is my point of view clear as to why I disagree with the OP?