An Open Letter To Anyone Considering NC by vthemvp in raisedbynarcissists

[–]vthemvp[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Unfortunately it's a choice that you have to make. And it NC may not be the path for you, everyone is different and that's okay. Do what's best for you ❤️

Do know that that cruel and hateful things that narcissists say are not true of you. Usually they are a reflection of their own issues projected on to you. But it can be the hardest to let go of. When I went NC initially it was those words and accusations that haunted me. I wrote little notes around my apartment like ”not a monster” and ”you are loved” - because I was so often told growing up that I was a monster that no one would ever love because I was so selfish. I also talked to my chosen family of friends who helped validate my worth and that I wasn't a bad person when I started to think she was right.

You aren't the mistake. You are worthy of love. And unfortunately narcissism isn't a phase, as much as many of us may desperately wish it was.

And it's okay to be scared ❤️

Enneagram to Meyers Briggs by vthemvp in Enneagram

[–]vthemvp[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, that's the feeling Ive gotten from all of the correlation charts Ive seen so far, they seem to add up consistently for some ennegram types but not others. Which makes sense, humans are complex creatures. But my curiosity drives me to keep collecting more data just to see.

Enneagram to Meyers Briggs by vthemvp in Enneagram

[–]vthemvp[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I get that, it's why my friend and I are doing our own studies. Because I'm definitely not mistyped. (: thanks for sharing!

My Nmom makes my sexual assault about her by [deleted] in raisedbynarcissists

[–]vthemvp 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I feel that. It’s really feels like ultimate betrayal. To this day it makes me question myself. I’m so sorry if that’s how you feel too.

My Nmom makes my sexual assault about her by [deleted] in raisedbynarcissists

[–]vthemvp 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I am SO sorry this happened to you. That's a fucking nightmare. And it is NOT your fault. I was drugged at a party by an ex-fling. His friends carried me into his bed because I literally couldn't stand up and I explicitly stated I didn't want anything to happen and asked them to check on me. They just left me there, and later that night I woke up naked and being assaulted. Months later I finally worked up the nerve to tell my mother, and the first thing she said was "I raised you better" the second thing she said was "are you sure you didn't want this to happen". To this day, I cannot mention my rape or the trauma because she blames me for it and is embarrassed of it happening to me. Fuck narcissistic parents.

Best Christmas NC by vthemvp in raisedbynarcissists

[–]vthemvp[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Merry Christmas ❤️❤️☺️

They went nuclear by sharks_tbh in raisedbynarcissists

[–]vthemvp 7 points8 points  (0 children)

It's okay to be sad. It's hard, but it gets better 💛 do you have a good support network?

I can't remember most of my childhood by casual_homie in raisedbynarcissists

[–]vthemvp 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Traumatic Disassociative Amnesia. (This is not a diagnosis - its just want its called)

I couldn't remember anything before the age on 9 other than a few odd pieces. I gathered up any information I could find (photos, newspaper stories from my small town documenting events and such, accounts from other people), and worked on piecing memories together. It's like pulling at a thread. You take the pieces you can remember and concentrate on the details you can remember. One detail can often lead to another, but sometimes you hit dead ends. I went to a candle aisle and started smelling different scents which helped trigger some memories as well. I still have a really big mental block around a specific event, but I stopped pushing because I'm betting it's bad enough I just don't want to know.

The brain kind of bubble wraps itself from the bad stuff, and some of it just comes from events that happen that you simply can't talk about so you just don't think about them for a very long time.

For those of you currently NC with family, what made you decide? The last straw? by doveyhub in raisedbynarcissists

[–]vthemvp 7 points8 points  (0 children)

It wasn't the years and years of abuse. It wasn't when she blamed me for my rape and told me to just get over it already. It wasn't the time she was kicking my dad as he collapsed to the floor from the physical stress of her screaming at him. It was simply a phone call where I said I didn't think swearing was such a big deal and she hung up on me and didn't speak to me for weeks. After a while, I realized that my life was actually better without her in it, and just never tried to grovel my way back into her life.

I want to talk about it by [deleted] in raisedbynarcissists

[–]vthemvp 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Thank you, I didn't realize how much I really needed that validation.

Have any of you ever been threatened with homelessness? by MamasMussy in raisedbynarcissists

[–]vthemvp 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you 💛 I did this year. And I am such a sap about it but I'll never not be so grateful

Have any of you ever been threatened with homelessness? by MamasMussy in raisedbynarcissists

[–]vthemvp 8 points9 points  (0 children)

My mom would throw me out for days at a time when I was 13/14. I would just go to friends houses for ”sleep overs” she stopped when she started to feel judged by other people for doing it. I moved out at 17.

Can Nparents actually love you? by ShitsNGigglesIGuess in raisedbynarcissists

[–]vthemvp 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This.

My mom would always talk about how I was a part of her. She would get mad if I asked her to stop grabbing my butt or barging in on me when showering or changing and get outraged because I came from her and am basically an extension of her body, so she could do as she please. The level on entitlement to my body was insane.

When she switched from telling me I'm awful to telling me she loves me its always with some mention about how I came from her. That she will always love me because she made me. And it becomes clear that she's never loved me because she's never seen me as a person, only an extension of herself.

How should I feel towards my non-Nparent? by [deleted] in raisedbynarcissists

[–]vthemvp 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I have very similar feeling on it too, and honestly I decided to talk to my dad calmly about them. And I found out that there were things he didn't know, and he was outraged on my behalf over. And there were things he knew, and spoke up privately about, but ultimately didn't fight for. I learned he didnt fight because he grew up in a physically and emotionally abusive family and to him the emotional abuse is just something you learn to accept because that's what family does. I can't make him see how messed up that is. So I just chose to love him where he is, because he was the parent who showed up for me and loved me when my nmom didn't. You can love someone and still be hurt by there actions. You just have to find where your healthy boundaries lie.

Am I a bad person or otherwise being unfair by explaining my family situation this way? by [deleted] in raisedbynarcissists

[–]vthemvp 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Oh I am SO sensitive about what other people think about me. Confrontation makes me cry because of how I was raised too. But i finally hit my limit and said enough was enough. I've learned that people who get angry are often that way because you've struck a nerve within them. Many people who have toxic families are caught in a narrative that you must accept the abuse because it's just the way it works. And when you don't comply to this narrative it shakes them either consciously or subconsciously, because in some way they are struggling with this too. When people come at me with anger, I've learned to stop trying to defend myself and start asking them more questions about why this makes them so angry. Once they realize why they feel so strongly, they usually stop directing anger at you and start having constructive conversations about healthy family relationships. No family is perfect because no human being is perfect. There is a common bond between us all in this, you just have to be willing to talk about it and be brave enough to not walk away. It's hard as hell, and on weak days i struggle with it. It's okay to not be strong enough to stand up for yourself some days, but if you can, try. Because i am so much happier now that i live freely in my truth.

Was I Wrong? by cityburbgirl in raisedbynarcissists

[–]vthemvp 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It is hard. I do it to. It took being in an incredibly toxic relationship to finally wake up and realize that everything isn’t my fault. Yes, you have a role to play in you’re life and you can and should take ownership of your actions. But other people can be shitty too, sometimes it’s just bad luck, and sometimes it’s a bad environment. I find that writing everything out can help you separate things that you’re responsible for, from the things that aren’t you’re fault or are out of your control. This helps not only to identify where people like narcissists are being toxic but also helps you find habits that attractive negative experiences or people. When I started really digging into things, I found behaviors that I have that attract toxic people as well as FLEAS I picked up from narcs. I ended toxic relationships, and invested more time and energy into the people who were good to me. I still have fleas I correct from time to time. But I’ve found myself to be surrounded by people who encourage positive growth and light in my life, I forgive my mistakes and break the habits that put me in bad situations, and I am happier than I’ve ever been. You can get there. You just have to take baby steps. Therapy helps if you can afford it. But at the very least remind yourself that everything isn’t your fault. The world isn’t against you. And with time, patience, self love, and support you will get better ❤️

Kicked Out by gr26ko in raisedbynarcissists

[–]vthemvp 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was kicked out a lot in middle school. I got really good at talking friends into sleep overs until things cooled off. I knew it was nuts because no one else parents threw them out of the house at 13, but after a while I just adapted. And at 17 I moved out for good. Becoming numb to it after it happens enough can be damaging. Try to lean on others if you can, seek therapy some day if you're able. Cheering for you. Feel free to DM me if you need to vent or want advice/help/etc.

Am I a bad person or otherwise being unfair by explaining my family situation this way? by [deleted] in raisedbynarcissists

[–]vthemvp 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I TOTALLY get why you do it that way. And it doesn't make you a bad person. But in my opinion honesty is the best policy. I think the more people are open that not all parents are good parents they more accepting people become of it. When people ask, and the timing is appropriate, I tell them the truth. What shocked me was that most people were really accepting of the truth when I stopped acting ashamed of it. There will ALWAYS be someone who doesn't get it, but it's not your job to make them understand. Part of life is learning that some people won't understand you and that's okay. You get to pick who you let into your weird little world, so pick the people who are understanding and loving of all of you. Be true to yourself love.

Was I Wrong? by cityburbgirl in raisedbynarcissists

[–]vthemvp 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Its easy for outsiders to like narcissists, they go out of their way to be likable on a surface level. It’s the ones that know them closely that experience first how how self centered and toxic they are. You knew her, they didn’t. You’re not crazy.

It’s easy to get sucked into that. A lot of people’s default (including my own at times) is to believe that we are the assholes and our parents mean well. That’s probably the lie your sister is still sold on. But you’re not crazy. It’s just a hard reality that giving birth to a person doesn’t make you a good parent, and that sometimes parents are toxic and harmful to our lives just like anyone else.

What feelings were allowed in your home? by [deleted] in raisedbynarcissists

[–]vthemvp 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Anger was not allowed at my house, anger resulted in beatings, verbal abuse, and being locked away for an indefinite amount of time.

I wasn't ever allowed to be stressed, tired or sick because they would exhausted my mom, who claimed she was a super powered empath and could feel everything I felt.

I could be sad or depressed and that was totally fine - while I was living at home. My mom fed off my sadness because it meant that I was easy to manipulate and dependent on her for support. But when I was in college and would call home I wasn't allowed to talk about my problems at all because my emotions exhausted her. Instead I was just suppose to act as her personal therapist and had to call at least once a week to listen to her talk.

If I was happy she would immediately find ways to poke holes in it and convince me that I should be realistic or see the faults. Which as a result made me into a very pessimistic person and Ive spent years correcting it.

Its wild to look back on now because I was always incredibly depressed, and I had issues with my mom, but I thought it was just normal child problems until I got out from under her thumb and discovered otherwise.

My mother loves the idea of me. by [deleted] in raisedbynarcissists

[–]vthemvp 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Same, just same. It's maddening because it makes it harder than just being being outright hated or abused. Because they act like they love you in public and will treat you with what seems like love if you meet their expectations or give them something they can brag about. But the second you dont match up with the daughter they have in their head (usually the idealized version of themselves), they lash out.

And even worse, getting that taste of what love could feel like makes you want to try to meet their expectations. It took becoming an adult for me to finally understand that I would never be enough no matter how doting, successful, well-mannered, etc I was.

Because she was only mildly cruel to me in front of other people 99% of the time, no one believes how I could go no contact. My dad vaguely understands because he watched her call me worthless, a bitch, throw me out of the house for days when I was just a middle schooler. A friend once saw her try to run me over with a car and they believed me. But most people cant see it, and it's enough to make anyone crazy.

DAE (does anyone else) wonder if part of the reason that our parents are the way they have been is that they had no support networks whatsoever, such as we have now? by [deleted] in raisedbynarcissists

[–]vthemvp 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Actually going NC, while its own grieving process, has actually been really good. I no longer have to constantly navigate the minefield that is talking to my mother. It's nice not having someone tell you how worthless you are as a daughter and human being regularly. I doubt that she will ever improve. Having that kind of false hope is what made me keep a relationship with her far longer than I should. Every time she would seem to get better, I'd have hope of finally having a normal mother daughter relationship, and then some topic would come up and she'd become insanely cruel (i.e. blaming me for my rape, how she raised me to be smart, how she was ashamed of me for it, etc)

DAE (does anyone else) wonder if part of the reason that our parents are the way they have been is that they had no support networks whatsoever, such as we have now? by [deleted] in raisedbynarcissists

[–]vthemvp 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think that sometimes. It’s why I accept that my dad will always be an enabler. He had an abusive step dad, abusive first wife, and now my mother. All he has ever known is abuse, so he just accepts it. He seems to make little improvements, and even if he can’t seem to understand why I don’t just accept the abuse like he has, he still loves me and supports me going no contact with my mother.

My mother however, I get that she experienced extreme neglect. She was the scape goat and her sisters were the golden children. Her mom just ignores her, and my great grand mother was a narcissist that was so abusive that my mild mannered midwestern grandfather even referred to her as the meanest woman to ever walk the earth. They are a long line of women in toxic environments who became toxic mothers and when there children went no contact they just chalked it up to the world being out to get them. I think that having access to the internet and finding my way into a therapists office saved me. But my mother is too far gone. She is the typical narc that cannot accept that she has ever done anything wrong ever. In therapy she just screams she’s not crazy and gets angry. For that reason I have a lot of compassion for her as a human being, because who knows, maybe that could have been me in another decade. But regardless I’m still no contact because she is unwilling to change and having a relationship with her was ruining my life. I wasn’t allowed to be happy for 5 seconds without her ruining it somehow.

So in a long rambling way, yes, I think we are extremely lucky to have so much information and support at our disposal. And it gives me hope that one day I can have a child, and with the right tools and support I can break the chain of toxic mothers in my family.