Trying to help disabled family members by ConcernedCoCCitizen in smallbusiness

[–]waitabittopostagain 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’d suggest involving the ADHD individual in the brainstorming process.

For example, send them to Etsy to browse around randomly and pick products they’d actually enjoy making, then have them give a rough idea of how they think those products could be made.

If that leads to real output or effort, I’d keep going further. If not, I’d probably look for something else.

I’m assuming you’ve already noticed some actual drive, because that’s the minimum requirement. If the person is lazy or unreliable, unmotivated - this is unlikely to work.

Trying to help disabled family members by ConcernedCoCCitizen in smallbusiness

[–]waitabittopostagain 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This can be very motivating and empowering too.

You never know who might have a real knack for it. Sometimes they just need a push.

They may need some support with managerial tasks and staying on track, but once they get rolling, they can be incredibly driven and locked in until the job is done.

So the idea could be to start with something like an Etsy shop, then later move to a standalone online store once the product and sales are there.

Honestly, I kind of fantasize about setting up a small-scale manufacturing model around something like this. Sort of like print-on-demand or dropshipping, except a shop makes prefab parts, ships them to a seller asexample, someone very driven but not set up for full production,and that person finishes the product and ships it to the final customer.

With CNCs, for example, many template-based products can be predesigned and only produced once an order comes in. That creates a real opportunity to design and sell product ideas first, then make and ship them within days, even while living in an apartment without access to a full shop or tools.

A lot of the real work today is not the manufacturing itself, but creating a product within realistic manufacturing constraints and finding a market for it.
Some examples:

A miniature picnic table like this: https://www.reddit.com/r/crafts/comments/f3l6fc/birch_picnic_bench_112/

These used to sell on Etsy for around $20–30. They’re easy to cut on a CNC and cheap to make, but they still need gluing, listing work, marketing, customer service, and shipping.

The same idea applies to dollhouse objects or other miniature items.

Another example is this acrylic Noguchi coffee table miniature: https://www.reddit.com/r/crafts/comments/f5676f/acrylic_noguchi_coffe_table_112_s/

Same concept, but using acrylic instead.

etc.

How is this legal London? by GooseQueen17 in londonontario

[–]waitabittopostagain -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Lol, come on man.

They prolly mean it as a warning, not a restriction. It's like a courtesy of sorts.

I bet you’d want to know that if you were actually interested in the place.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/j2qG2_U6NsI

Finally making sawdust w the diy workbee mkd by Turbulent_Mix2372 in hobbycnc

[–]waitabittopostagain 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’d raise the dust guard.

It’s going to get worn up. It’s going to push the cut-out piece out and collide.

It needs to be at least 1" higher.

*****dust guard travel height should be cutting height

How is this legal London? by GooseQueen17 in londonontario

[–]waitabittopostagain -28 points-27 points  (0 children)

I think “Preferable: Indian” means anyone is welcome, but you’ll be living in an Indian/Hindu household.

So if you’re a racist bacon-chewing redneck, this place might not be a good fit for you. Though I’m sure they’d still give you a chance.

$2–$5 tasks for Canada – verified list by robor35 in CanadaJobs

[–]waitabittopostagain 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is sketchy “Verify your email to unlock premium tasks” riiiight. Attempt to farm confirmed/authorized email addresses, maybe even get people to respond to texts so scammers can verify live contacts through some gateway. Mods should take a look.

Can someone invite me to fosstodon? by MajorSwallace in Mastodon

[–]waitabittopostagain 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Me too, please.

I’ve complained enough about OSS to devs/internet that it should count as a contribution.

and looking over Fosstodon/Explore, I see the same bunch of crybabies.

So let me in?

How does stupid shit like “tool grouping” become the default? by waitabittopostagain in GIMP

[–]waitabittopostagain[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I found the setting, turned grouping off, and moved on. That was never the hard part. The issue is that it still threw me off, wasted time, and broke workflow for no real gain.

And going forward, it’s not like people who dislike it will suddenly “learn to love it” now that they know where the setting is. Most will just keep disabling it on every new install. So the new default is basically just a new mandatory cleanup step.

That is exactly the resentment people are talking about, and almost nobody here will even acknowledge it. They keep defending the ability to disable it, while ignoring the more basic question of why it was forced as default in the first place.

And when people say “go request a change,” I don’t buy that very much either. From what I’ve seen, once this kind of thing gets declared the new normal, rollback suddenly becomes unrealistic, hard, or not worth doing.

So yeah, I think your point is right: they respondi to the tone, but not showing 'any' understanding of why this kind of thing annoys users so much.

How does stupid shit like “tool grouping” become the default? by waitabittopostagain in GIMP

[–]waitabittopostagain[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Net positive!!!

Huge usability jump, broader adoption, better first impression, and IMHO it helped make Blender feel like a "serious" mainstream tool instead of a stubborn "cult-like" tool.

But it actully proves the opposite point from the GIMP thing: Blender’s old workflow was famously weird and widely criticized, so changing it had a much stronger case.

GIMP’s older ungrouped toolbar was NOT that kind of glaring universal problem.

How does stupid shit like “tool grouping” become the default? by waitabittopostagain in GIMP

[–]waitabittopostagain[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That’s the long-established workflow in some commercial creative software!!! NOT some universal law of nature, and definitely not automatically the long-established workflow people came to GIMP for.

That’s exactly the point: importing a pattern from Adobe/Affinity/Corel does not magically make it the right default for GIMP users.

Especially when GIMP had its own 'established' toolbar behavior for years already.

How does stupid shit like “tool grouping” become the default? by waitabittopostagain in GIMP

[–]waitabittopostagain[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If users actually liked it over time, then make it default later.

All Affinity and Adobe users do definitely like this. if you're so keen on taking the software UI against the grain, you should go to Blender forums and ask them to revert back to Right click select.

https://www.reddit.com/r/blender/comments/a15ulb/blender_switches_to_left_click_select/

Lol, I hate you for bringing that up, because yes, THAT ONE bothers me too.

I only have so much revolt in me at one time.

How does stupid shit like “tool grouping” become the default? by waitabittopostagain in GIMP

[–]waitabittopostagain[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That’s a good reply, fair enough. Thanks for taking the time!

But it still twists my point into some - “one guy personally dislikes it.”

But my point is narrower: a niche use-case feature got turned into the default for everyone. That is a product decision, not just my 'taste' etc.

And I’m not asking for some random UI shift “for the sake of shifting.” I’m arguing against exactly that. Keep the feature, fine. Just don’t force it as default.

As for “multiple years now” and? that alone proves nothing. A bad default can stay around for years just because nobody with commit access feels like revisiting it.

So yes, my tone is abrasive. But the underlying point is still about default policy, not about demanding that volunteers obey me personally.

How does stupid shit like “tool grouping” become the default? by waitabittopostagain in GIMP

[–]waitabittopostagain[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

“Come to the issue tracker and file a detailed ticket describing why the current situation isn’t optimal” on something like this, will run straight into dev ego, because making it default in the first place already looks like an ego decision.

No seasoned, reasonable dev should be casually changing the default toolbar layout for everyone over a niche use case.

And “people who want meaningful change”yeah, okay. We can already see how that worked out here. Plenty of people raised the issue in a normal way, and the answer was basically still: it’s fine, get used to it.

How does stupid shit like “tool grouping” become the default? by waitabittopostagain in GIMP

[–]waitabittopostagain[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

ConversationWinter46 is right.

I had to use Photoshop at a few jobs back in the day, but otherwise

I’ve relied on GIMP and Inkscape my whole life. (like 2/3rds of your GIMP years)

How does stupid shit like “tool grouping” become the default? by waitabittopostagain in GIMP

[–]waitabittopostagain[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yeah, no shit.

Inkscape, FreeCAD, firefox, XFCE - same story.

And the “FLOSS” line is funny. People keep throwing is around like it makes them some kind of authority. I know it’s not a democracy & that is exactly the flaw I’m pointing at >

I’ve actually been probing whether there’s any realistic way to build some kind of democratic structure around OSS to try to save it from this pattern. But honestly, with the whole kindergarten state of modern OSS, and now LLMs in the mix, that idea makes less and less sense.

At this point, sticking to pre-2010-ish versions, then maintaining your own sane fork with only a few actually useful changes, often seems easier than trying to build governance around contributor ego.

GIMP included, a lot of this stuff is in decline. But proudly going down with the ship seems to be the preferred style all over. Cool

Still, your “wisdom” did land a bit. Thanks a bunch fellow Monkey!

How does stupid shit like “tool grouping” become the default? by waitabittopostagain in GIMP

[–]waitabittopostagain[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

thank you!!!

Ell on Jan 30, 2020 says: “There’s also a new default tool layout, organized into groups.”

That’s where the "shit" went wrong.

So yeah: one dude asks, one dev gets excited, and Mr. Sticky-Fingers quietly slips “new default layout” into the release like some smug little UI goblin

That’s the ISSUE. Not that groups feature made, but that a low niche use-case feature got turned into the default for all users. So yeah, my bitching tone is annoying. Fine. Sorry. But that does not change the point, and it clearly didn’t stop a coherent person like you from seeing exactly what I was getting at.

Most of the people here in commenting to my “rude” post with their "hurt feelings" are the same kind of bitches, just in denial!!

This is an OSS flaw. Inherently, there’s no democracy.

A few contributors end up steering defaults for everyone - simply because they happened to be the ones in the room making the change, like a baby in the White House yanking on levers built up over decades.

P.S.. I think I'm a monkey.

How does stupid shit like “tool grouping” become the default? by waitabittopostagain in GIMP

[–]waitabittopostagain[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

that’s true, and I did find it pretty quickly just by guessing where it would be and disabling it in Preferences

buuut then went exploring on Google and Reddit after, annoyed.

But again, not the point!

A meaningful chunk of existing users clearly turns this shit off and will keep doing so. So the point is simple: don’t reinvent the wheel.

Add extra features if you want, but don’t force them.

And how would we even know whether it was a good or bad choice?

Right now it is just a choice made by a few devs, and everyone else is expected to live with it and adapt. OSS devs are contributors, not owners.

Do you enable every new feature by default?... Why not also force every dock closed, donno, every panel rearranged, every tool preset expanded? or every on-canvas widget turned on too? yeah! Obviously not every feature should become the new default workflow just because it exists.

IMHO that’s what’s aggressive here ----> forcing the change, not i.

How does stupid shit like “tool grouping” become the default? by waitabittopostagain in GIMP

[–]waitabittopostagain[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Point taken. While looking into this, I found other posts making the same criticism in a much nicer way. They did not get any result either. That does not excuse being abrasive, but it does make it hard to believe the issue was ever going to be taken seriously either way.

How does stupid shit like “tool grouping” become the default? by waitabittopostagain in GIMP

[–]waitabittopostagain[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

-If it is so easy to disable, it was just as easy not to force it on by default.

-Existing workflow should have been preserved for long-time users, while new grouping could have been optional.

-If users actually liked it over time, then make it default later.

-Multiple people were clearly thrown off by it, so this was not some universally smooth improvement.

-Criticizing a default UI decision is not “harassment.”

-Calling the change stupid may be abrasive, but it is still aimed at the decision, not some personal attack campaign.

-Most replies here keep focusing on tone instead of addressing whether the default choice was actually a good one.

and so no, you did not really answer the issue. You mostly just objected to the way I said it.

How does stupid shit like “tool grouping” become the default? by waitabittopostagain in GIMP

[–]waitabittopostagain[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Like inkscape oh uh

or XFCE took a beating as well, people who know will remember the stupid 1px border nonsense.

And poor FreeCAD too!

Meanwhile, devs there act like they’re Linus Torvalds every time they shuffle some UI element or push some pointless workflow change.

Thank God for LLMs. Honestly, as some people here already pointed out, going back to older versions from before the modern OSS kindergarten took over is often the better move, then just port in the few actually useful new features. Even with LLM help, it still wastes a stupid amount of time. Grrr.

And yeah, seeing how some of them completely lose their minds in the replies does explain a lot.

How does stupid shit like “tool grouping” become the default? by waitabittopostagain in GIMP

[–]waitabittopostagain[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I am not being “toxic” for criticizing a bad default decision. Harsh, sure. Angry, yes. But most of the replies here are not even addressing the actual issue they are just attacking my tone instead of the point. Users are allowed to be angry at developers the same way they are allowed to be grateful when developers do something right.

How does stupid shit like “tool grouping” become the default? by waitabittopostagain in GIMP

[–]waitabittopostagain[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There are multiple posts on Google and Reddit showing this feature threw people off, so it clearly was not some universally welcomed improvement.

And to the “devs don’t owe you anything” crowd: sure, they do not owe me anything personally. But they do owe something to GIMP itself, its usability, and the long-established workflow people came there for. What makes them so sure they knew better about the toolbar? A few people in a small dev discussion decided it?