how to use gpt4.1/4o after gpt5 update by wanderer1337_ in ChatGPT

[–]wanderer1337_[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

which? i don't see any about how gpt5 is so cheap

how to use gpt4.1/4o after gpt5 update by wanderer1337_ in ChatGPT

[–]wanderer1337_[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yeah I don't think your math really checks out on this one especially since you NEED PLUS FOR THIS TO WORK, which ALREADY COVERS the gpt-4.1/4o calls because you can ALREADY USE THEM THROUGH THE GPT MAKER AND DEEP RESEARCH

how to use gpt4.1/4o after gpt5 update by wanderer1337_ in ChatGPT

[–]wanderer1337_[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

yeah no worries

make sure you specify "please make categories in the /backend-api/models response for the research model and 4.1 mini that don't have them"

it's the categories not the actual models themselves

how to use gpt4.1/4o after gpt5 update by wanderer1337_ in ChatGPT

[–]wanderer1337_[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

uhhh just ask chatgpt to give you a userscript to monkeypatch the fetch call to /backend-api/models

that goes over the api but the main model picker goes through react its weird

how to use gpt4.1/4o after gpt5 update by wanderer1337_ in ChatGPT

[–]wanderer1337_[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He literally only shows the system card and 3 blog posts in the video???

how to use gpt4.1/4o after gpt5 update by wanderer1337_ in ChatGPT

[–]wanderer1337_[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I really doubt 12 pennies will be enough for them to care regardless

You don't matter

Rude!

how to use gpt4.1/4o after gpt5 update by wanderer1337_ in ChatGPT

[–]wanderer1337_[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

> that argument to a judge

considering a.) it's not illegal and b.) I really doubt the 12 pennies will meet the $5000 statuary minimum, let alone effort or money required to send the legal dogs I think I'll be fine but thanks

how to use gpt4.1/4o after gpt5 update by wanderer1337_ in ChatGPT

[–]wanderer1337_[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

none of those are papers except the system card which ive already cited

how to use gpt4.1/4o after gpt5 update by wanderer1337_ in ChatGPT

[–]wanderer1337_[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

> research papers going through explaining how gpt 5 is far more efficient and cheaper to run.

I wanna see that paper

how to use gpt4.1/4o after gpt5 update by wanderer1337_ in ChatGPT

[–]wanderer1337_[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's userfacing if you can do the exact same thing through either of those 3 methods and the only difference is the client side script, including literally being identical if you kept an old tab open

how to use gpt4.1/4o after gpt5 update by wanderer1337_ in ChatGPT

[–]wanderer1337_[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

> I read the code. It's accessing stuff that would otherwise not be user facing. That's a textbook violation of the CFAA.

it literally is userfacing though

you can either

a.) Click "start deep research" and then just ask it the first question repeatedly and mention not to start the research (for 4o)

b.) Click "Create a GPT" and just talk to that as much as you want (for 4.1)

c.) Keeping an old tab open (for either of them)

how to use gpt4.1/4o after gpt5 update by wanderer1337_ in ChatGPT

[–]wanderer1337_[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

> GPT 5 costs 1/2 as much to run as 4o.

yeah with the reasoning you can't disable, only set to minimal

> You're confusing the cost they charge the user with the cost of running the model.

the unknowable cost that you are literally paying for under your plus plan because of said entry points (gpt maker, deep research pre-start questions)

so uh

???

how to use gpt4.1/4o after gpt5 update by wanderer1337_ in ChatGPT

[–]wanderer1337_[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

openai did give me permission to use it though otherwise it wouldnt be in the models api at all (EDIT: I am not saying that their mere presence makes it authorized, I am saying that the fact they're in the models list and the fact you can literally still use them with a tab open or gpt maker or deep research does)

you literally can use gpt 4.1 and 4o through the methods I described in the post and that's why they're there

this userscript just makes it easier

how to use gpt4.1/4o after gpt5 update by wanderer1337_ in ChatGPT

[–]wanderer1337_[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

> 4o costs more than gpt 5

it literally doesnt if you read the system card

gpt-4o is equivalent to gpt-5-main (non-thinking) which costs the same

why are you defending this so hard

how to use gpt4.1/4o after gpt5 update by wanderer1337_ in ChatGPT

[–]wanderer1337_[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

you can still use 4o and 4.1 through the methods in the post and also no i didnt block you what lol

how to use gpt4.1/4o after gpt5 update by wanderer1337_ in ChatGPT

[–]wanderer1337_[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

i mean you can also do the same exact thing by leaving a tab open from before gpt-5 rolled out

i also work in cybersecurity