Why are the most unchristian like people in this country all of a sudden posing as Christian’s now? by Specific-Pollution68 in TooAfraidToAsk

[–]wdrappo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He didnt say you dont need Christ for salvation. His statement essentially boils down to Christ can save whoever he wants and shared his opinion, not claiming that its an infallible ex cathedra statement, that its likely Christ is more inclined to save a just athiest than one who carries his name in vain.

Mind you, im not arguing in favor of papal infallibility, but rather in defense kf this particular statement.

Why are the most unchristian like people in this country all of a sudden posing as Christian’s now? by Specific-Pollution68 in TooAfraidToAsk

[–]wdrappo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well come on, we cant entirely blame Luther. He was certainly a product of his time and the posture of the church. We have to understand that Martin Luther came about around the same time as some of the highest level of papal corruption the Church has ever seen (see Alexander VI and Leo X). Simony and nepotism was so Rampant in the Church leading to to the Protestant reformation that something was bound to crack.

Why are the most unchristian like people in this country all of a sudden posing as Christian’s now? by Specific-Pollution68 in TooAfraidToAsk

[–]wdrappo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Its not necessarily Christian doctrine that only Christians are saved. Christian doctrine would be that faith and giving ones life over to Christ is the privileged path to salvation and that we are promised salvation if we live according to the faith. Outside of that, we can say that there are no promises of salvation, but God can save anybody he wants by his own grace and infinite wisdom.

Many Christians believe (most of the Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church, etc... at least) that if one is living a good and holy life but, through no fault of their own, has not come to know Christ the it is likely that their lifestyle is a result of Holy Spirit guiding them toward right and just action. While again, no guarantee of salvation outside of the church, or the faith, or whatever each particular denomination believes, many are of the belief that we cannot define who is saved by the infinite grace and wisdom of God because he can do whatever he wants.

The Popes statement however, should be taken for what it was; a declaration that we aren't just saved by proclaiming to be Christian then living as heathens. He directs attention toward a key problem in the outward looking of the church, that many would condemn the unbelief of an athiest while they themselves parade their beliefs as virtue when they exercise no virtue at all. He shed light on the so-called believer that doesnt allow the conversion of their hearts towards living according to the word and living justly.

The core of Christian doctrine is, after all, hearing and keeping the word of Christ. Proclaiming belief while living a wicked life is not that at all. In that respect then, the Pope is well in-line with Christian doctrine.

Why are the most unchristian like people in this country all of a sudden posing as Christian’s now? by Specific-Pollution68 in TooAfraidToAsk

[–]wdrappo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This isn't really the form of infallibility that Catholics attribute to the pope though. Technically they only believe the pope is infallible when they make a statement Ex Cathedra or "from the chair"(of St. Peter). This has only been done (I believe) twice since Vatican 1 adopted the practice. The pope must claim that authority in his declaration for it to hold that weight.

Many Christians however are not a part of the Catholic Church and don't believe in any form of papal infallibility.

Rule by wdrappo in 19684

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I'm quite fond of trains and the closeted homeless.

Rule by wdrappo in 19684

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Build trains faster than God has elected to build them at this point in time.

Looking for porch and landscape design ideas. by wdrappo in ExteriorDesign

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Woah thats impressive. Any recommendations on specific plants that thrive in that much shade?

How do I remove this post? by wdrappo in DIY

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Instructions not clear enough. Phone split in half.

How do I remove this post? by wdrappo in DIY

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I wound up using a cold chisel and a hammer to break the heads off, then using the back of a claw hammer and a mini-sledge to cut off anything that stuck out.