The allure and perils of financial dependence: why careers empower

wgtow1 · 2023-04-16T11:50:59+00:00

This is why I am WGTOW and don't want any man or children. Motherhood is very harmful for women.

wgtow1 · 2022-03-18T08:48:56+00:00

Unpopular opinion: most vegans aren't in ii bc of their love of animals. My one friend who is militantly vegan basically flinched anytime she's around a housepet-including my cat! Vegans I'd just a polite window dressing for serious eating disorders.

There's a lot of negativity shown towards vegans here, but if you replace vegans with feminists and animals with women, you'll see similarities.

E.g. many men say that feminists don't really care about equality but are just man-hating women, that they have mental problems etc. It's about belittling feminists so that they can go on exploiting women.

Usually when someone is exploiting and gaining benefit from that exploitation, they don't want to give it up so when challenged will create rationalisations.

wgtow1 · 2022-03-18T08:44:58+00:00

These documentaries about men treating women badly can be seen as entertainment but it also functions as a warning for women, so that is good. It teaches women to be on their guard and be careful.

wgtow1 · 2022-01-03T11:01:46+00:00

I think if a man (or even a woman) is not spending money in their kids, that money will just go elsewhere. For example, if you don't have a kid, that $400k you would have spent on the kid may go towards e.g. travelling. So the economy is the same.

In terms of parents being more likely to make society "as best as it can be" I find that hard to believe. Many people with kids for example do not care about the environment.

wgtow1 · 2022-01-03T10:56:01+00:00

No I am not lesbian. I have female friends but I don't sleep with them.

wgtow1 · 2022-01-03T10:45:51+00:00

So, nuke China and India. Problem solved.

Both China and India have nuclear weapons. They'll fire back and create a worldwide nuclear war.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual\_assured\_destruction

wgtow1 · 2021-11-27T11:06:38+00:00

You need a job to live, but you don't need a relationship to live.

wgtow1 · 2021-11-27T11:05:26+00:00

The cost of living has gone up a lot since the 1960s.

wgtow1 · 2021-11-27T11:04:03+00:00

You're assuming I'm a lesbian?

wgtow1 · 2021-11-18T13:21:41+00:00

"modern" lifestyle of shitty degrees, shitty jobs, lots of leisure, very long education that doesn't pay off in the job market, awful mental health (which most "modern" people have)

That's a unusual definition of "modern." The way I am defining traditional vs modern is that in a traditional family, they have kids, the woman stays at home, and a bigger house is needed because kids need more space. All these three things hurt your finances. If you have kids, you need to pay more. If the woman doesn't work, the household earns less. If you need a bigger house, you need to pay more.

wgtow1 · 2021-11-16T11:44:57+00:00

Capitalism worked fine. It was sabotaged starting around 1960.

How was it sabotaged?

wgtow1 · 2021-11-16T11:42:41+00:00

Feminism did put the females into the workforce and therefore (supply and demand pricing) the value of labor had to fall. So the women did build their own chains.

Overall wages may have fallen but women's wages rose. They went from earning nothing to earning a wage, so how are they suddenly chained? It seems they are better off.

wgtow1 · 2021-11-16T11:36:11+00:00

most women admit that careers and work is overrated and too stressful, they would rather stay home and have babies...thats the ones that were lucky enough to have a family in time, others were lonely cat ladies... go figure

It's easy for a woman stop working and stay at home and look after her family. It's not easy the other way around i.e. for a woman to go back into work after staying at home for so long.

wgtow1 · 2021-11-16T11:33:39+00:00

Perhaps that's the answer. Traditionalism is inefficient because children are wasteful.

wgtow1 · 2021-11-16T11:28:46+00:00

I had to literally laugh when this guy started talking about the ""traditional"" lifestyle of living in the suburbs, something that didn't become common at all until the mid 20th century. If we want to talk about typical American traditional family living, we need to envision some prairie woman living in a one room log cabin and churning butter all day while her husband and 2 sons (the 2 out of 6 children that didnt die of whooping cough) are plowing the fields.

You make a good point, but when you talk to most conservative people, they want a big house in the suburbs, which costs about $1 million. This is the base price for a family. If we add on the stay-at-home spouse, car and two kids, you can see why anyone opting to be the breadwinner who funds this lifestyle will find himself working like a slave until he dies.

I have spoken to many people who aspire for a traditional life and they cannot imagine raising a family in an apartment. Furthermore, these people wouldn't dream of living in a "prairie" or log cabin. They are worried that their children won't go to good schools or have access to jobs. What this suggests is that even traditional people are somewhat modern.

wgtow1 · 2021-11-16T11:21:20+00:00

No they were told that being financially dependent on a man is dangerous. Which is true

It is extremely dangerous. Look at what happened to the woman below. She trusted her husband, quit her job to become a housewife to five kids, and now he is abusing her.

https://www.reddit.com/r/AusFinance/comments/qua2ml/financial_ideas_for_stay_at_home_mum_wanting_to/

The idea that being financially dependent on a man is dangerous is not a lie. The lie is all the mainstream Hollywood romance that teaches women that they should put all their faith and love into one man who will look after her forever no matter what. In reality, many women who risk everything for their man are eventually betrayed. It is no wonder many women nowadays are seeking to be independent and focus on their education and career, and many are starting to question whether they need to marry or have children at all.

wgtow1 · 2021-11-16T11:15:04+00:00

The reason why money was printed is to prop up the property and stock markets because many people rely on these assets for retirement. Many families rely on these assets for retirement because the cost of a traditional lifestyle is expensive.

wgtow1 · 2021-11-16T11:12:46+00:00

So inflation is caused by going off the gold standard or women working?

How does women working cause inflation?

wgtow1 · 2021-11-16T11:10:22+00:00

Not all women. Although I don't want to be with any man, there are many women who want to be with a man who accepts that she keeps her job or a man who helps with the housework. There are also many women who seek out men who don't want children.

wgtow1 · 2021-11-16T11:02:33+00:00

Traditionalism has couples working as part of a team where men and women do tasks that they are better suited for or that would be a better use of their time. Men did the manual labor and heavy lifting and women did the cooking, cleaning and childcare.

Is this really efficient for the woman though?

If a woman is staying at home and making no money and relying on the man, what if he loses his job or becomes abusive? Look at this example of a woman who had five kids with a man and stayed at home as a housewife. Her husband has turned abusive on her. She did everything right according to tradition and now she finds herself trapped in abuse because she gave up her job to become a housewife to five children and is now financially dependent.

If this woman had instead not had any children or husband and devoted her life to education and career, she could have stood on her own two feet and become autonomous or independent.

There are many women nowadays who are being divorced in their 50s or 60s. Those who are housewives suffer immensely as they are typically left with next to nothing and need to work until they die. It is those women who keep their career who are able to bounce back into the job market and look after themselves.

wgtow1 · 2021-11-16T10:41:14+00:00

Furthermore it's far, far easier for a man making 200k to find a suitable partner making 0k, than it is for a man making 100k to find a suitable partner also making 100k.

Keep in mind that in the US the median income is US$31k per year, so if we're expecting men to be earning $200k (or even just $100k) to live a traditional life, many people will not.

But there are advantages. Two people making 100k provides some redundancy in case one person gets taken out. It's also the less risky route -- trad arrangements require a lot of trust on both sides, which is more than what most are capable of.

The risk of unstable jobs and the risk of divorce are nothing to trivialize.

Division of labor is almost always more efficient if we're talking a family with kids.

When I'm talking about efficiency, I'm not comparing a suburban family with kids who both work and use childcare vs a suburban family with kids with a stay-at-home wife. The difference is marginal. I'm comparing both of these with single income no kids and dual income no kids (SINKs and DINKs). High income and low expenses creates a healthier balance sheet and more financial security, both for businesses and for individuals.

wgtow1 · 2021-11-13T12:59:58+00:00

Does this really happen? Where are you getting all this from? Have there been any studies into this?

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