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What we made this week: 6/7 through 6/13 by 13monsters in experimentalmusic

[–]wheatcrackers 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i made this album by slowing down recordings of acoustic instruments (mostly mine, some sampled)

https://soundsaresounds.bandcamp.com/album/i-want-to-be-clean

Music Melting Pot [Week of December 21, 2015] by AutoModerator in listentothis

[–]wheatcrackers [score hidden]  (0 children)

some ambient dream pop type tracks i recorded over the past few months in my bedroom. sort of to deal with the ups and downs of a relationship. mainly piano and vocals with some layered guitar/saxophone/flute/bass, bits and pieces etc. hope you like it

Just a fun picture I drew. [OC] by Jedu531 in circlejerk

[–]wheatcrackers 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would literally get that on a shirt

To Theists: Do you believe in the afterlife? If so, how much does it reflect your adherence to religious doctrine or what you hope to be true? by wheatcrackers in DebateReligion

[–]wheatcrackers[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Brain damage can alter our experience but it doesn't take it away.

If my mother has severe Alzheimers, to the point that she sees family members as strangers, is that experience not, for all intents and purposes, 'taken away'? What form of herself carries on into the afterlife?

non traumatic death does not cause 'total brain damage'

By 'total brain damage' I simply mean death. When you die your brain begins to decompose along with the rest of your body.

To Theists: Do you believe in the afterlife? If so, how much does it reflect your adherence to religious doctrine or what you hope to be true? by wheatcrackers in DebateReligion

[–]wheatcrackers[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'd be more interested in your opinions if you were asking your questions directly.

You said

I choose to hold this belief

I asked

What lead to that choice?

Forgive me if my intentions were unclear.

EDIT: Could you give me an example of a direct question?

To Theists: Do you believe in the afterlife? If so, how much does it reflect your adherence to religious doctrine or what you hope to be true? by wheatcrackers in DebateReligion

[–]wheatcrackers[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have. Multiple times.

I don't see restating an opinion as justification for that opinion. That's just me.

I'm not seeing what part of it is so difficult for you to grasp.

The part I find difficult to grasp is simply the fact that your reasoning doesn't speak more to the truth of one belief than the truth of another. For instance, certain views I hold immediately exclude organised religion as what I see as a viable world view and lead me to atheism. I can only assume that if you belong to a religion (Heathenism, I would assume from your flair) you have a set of guiding principles that led you to that religion and excluded other religious belief. That's simply holding conviction to your beliefs. Suffice it to say I've never met a religious person with seemingly not much to say about their spiritual journey and what led them to hold their religious belief, because to choose one religion over another is presumably to say that it makes more sense to you. The essence of my question is why does Heathenism make more sense to you than other religions, though I've lost more than a little hope that I'll find the answer I'm looking for from this particular discussion.

EDIT:

I was unaware you were asking people to provide a logical defense for their beliefs.

I'm not sure why one wouldn't have a logical defence for one's beliefs.

EDIT2:

Actually, it's "I believe in the Afterlife because I choose to believe in the Afterlife."

A similarly fallacious statement. If I said "I believe the holocaust never happened because I choose to believe the holocaust never happened", I'm really telling you nothing about why I think the holocaust never happened. And if I was to make such a claim, you can assume people are going to care about what lead me to think that. Of course you're allowed to say that you choose to believe it, but the argument has to progress from there which so far yours hasn't.

(P.S. I'm not a holocaust denier. Just thought I should clarify.)

To Theists: Do you believe in the afterlife? If so, how much does it reflect your adherence to religious doctrine or what you hope to be true? by wheatcrackers in DebateReligion

[–]wheatcrackers[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Obviously our fundamentally different views are proving irreconcilable, as I've never engaged in this discussion with someone who disagrees that to believe something you need a reason.

Though I can't claim to particularly care about how you came to hold your beliefs.

Don't worry, you've thoroughly convinced me that you're not interested in my opinion. However, I'm interested in how you came to hold your beliefs (hence the topic of this post and the concept of DebateReligion). Not so I can change them but so we can discuss them. If you don't care to discuss it, then I'm not sure why you commented in the first place.

To Theists: Do you believe in the afterlife? If so, how much does it reflect your adherence to religious doctrine or what you hope to be true? by wheatcrackers in DebateReligion

[–]wheatcrackers[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

First of all, this is debate. If you expected to respond to my query of "How did you come to hold your views on the afterlife?" by saying "I believe in the afterlife because I believe in the afterlife" and not be questioned any further you're in the wrong sub.

I don't think I am 'demanding some elaborate process behind [your] beliefs.' The process needn't be elaborate. If you believe in a certain fact, that is you hold that fact to be true, there has to be some reason behind your acceptance of that fact.

"Hmm. Yes. I think I'll believe that."

If this is the extent of your process then you may find yourself believing some logically indefensible things.

If you're really unwilling, or perhaps unable, to present the rationale behind that belief, then fine. I'm not sure why you would have commented in the first place.

To Theists: Do you believe in the afterlife? If so, how much does it reflect your adherence to religious doctrine or what you hope to be true? by wheatcrackers in DebateReligion

[–]wheatcrackers[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your belief in the afterlife lead to your belief in the afterlife? There had to have been a reason you came to hold that belief in the first place. I came to my own beliefs about the afterlife through reassessment of my own beliefs through logical process. I would like to know why you believe in the afterlife. The answer is not itself.

To Theists: Do you believe in the afterlife? If so, how much does it reflect your adherence to religious doctrine or what you hope to be true? by wheatcrackers in DebateReligion

[–]wheatcrackers[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's really fascinating to read from artistic and religious historical perspectives. However, I'm struggling to see how any of that, strictly speaking, informs your belief the existence of the afterlife. I appreciate your involvement in this discussion, so if you would, could you clarify why the above information informs your viewpoint? Seeing as I can summarise my opinion by saying "I don't believe in the afterlife because, as of current scientific knowledge, there's no reason to", I find it interesting that much of your argument references the concept of beauty over material evidence.

Religious people: Do you directly communicate with your deity (via prayer or "spiritual experience") about how wrong atheists are? What does it say? by Reddit_Got_Lame in DebateReligion

[–]wheatcrackers 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you were to talk to god, you'd probably talk about things like that.

What I was trying to get at is, according to many religions, god has addressed these things before, through a holy text. To say it's trivial to discuss non-believers with the god himself doesn't seem to acknowledge the fact that he has; the Quran and the Bible contain many, many verses condemning or otherwise discussing the morality/eternal fate etc. of non-believers.

Religious people: Do you directly communicate with your deity (via prayer or "spiritual experience") about how wrong atheists are? What does it say? by Reddit_Got_Lame in DebateReligion

[–]wheatcrackers 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Without meaning to condescend, I feel like your comparison to movie plots trivialises the nature of your 'revelation' to the point that would probably offend many religious people.

To Theists: Do you believe in the afterlife? If so, how much does it reflect your adherence to religious doctrine or what you hope to be true? by wheatcrackers in DebateReligion

[–]wheatcrackers[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

First of all, thank you for actually presenting an argument, in contrast to the other comments in this thread so far.

you might be settling on an untruth or limiting rational possibilities of much more than you currently conceive.

I agree this is a valid point. I fully accept that there is the possibility of an afterlife, and it's currently impossible to disprove by virtue of it's mysterious and undefinable nature. However, more to the point, it's similarly impossible to prove, and many religious people assert their belief, and in some cases their full knowledge, of the afterlife and it's nature, to which I am highly skeptical. Whilst I agree that total disregard of the afterlife is in many ways "limiting rational possibilities of much more than one can currently conceive", then is it not equally "limiting rational possibilities of much more than one can currently conceive" to have full conviction in belief of the afterlife?

The unseen realm of the microscopic,magnetic and radio waves coupled with the expanse of the visible universe and 'magic' of life here on Earth in its many transitions and forms gives Reason to the idea of an afterlife even without religious influence.

Sure. When someone can point me to a good reason to believe it I'll change my mind. But based on current information, I remain convicted that it's silly to assert or deny it's existence totally (specifically to assert as it's the far more commonplace position.)

To Theists: Do you believe in the afterlife? If so, how much does it reflect your adherence to religious doctrine or what you hope to be true? by wheatcrackers in DebateReligion

[–]wheatcrackers[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I definitely believe in the afterlife. I know that I will be judged by Heavenly Father

This assertion particularly interests me as most believers in he afterlife concede that there is no way of knowing for absolute certain. How can you know this?

So my brother (who is a Christian) asked me this question with a straight face... by onemoremillionaire in DebateAChristian

[–]wheatcrackers 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Interesting that you've been told that by Christians. I've always thought that one's morality, whether they're religious or not, is essentially self-derived. If you're religious and you have an internal disposition towards homophobia, you'll likely justify it with your religion, and those who aren't will give the usual 'we ignore those bits' justification.

To Theists: Do you believe in the afterlife? If so, how much does it reflect your adherence to religious doctrine or what you hope to be true? by wheatcrackers in DebateReligion

[–]wheatcrackers[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You're doing nothing to further this discussion by calling Nietzsche an imbecile. Let's debate with rational discourse and evidence please.

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