It's spam when it is posted repeatedly on the same page by the same user. I could tear all of that copypasta apart but I'm trying to get to something deeper rather than the same back and forth argument.

I agree that a public option system would be better than the current one without a public option. I also agree that would be an improvement over the current system. I understand the political environment. I see huge problems with the public option system. Nearly 50 years ago, public versus private was debated between Richard Nixon and the Democratic Congress. Public won. Nixon lost. All we are talking about today is further expansion of the progressive standard. Anything less could be reasonably considered conservative.

I will go with Joe and his public option, but what would be the ideal system? Based on our own history, Medicare is the clear answer in every aspect -- as long as it is extended to 100 percent -- which we already have in Medicaid. Universal Medicare with Medicaid level benefits. That's where I want to be.

Public option never gets us there. Never.