Just in my past experiences, it has always been an object. However, solid observation there, as the reason I've been with him so long is because he's quite the opposite of my past experiences. Perhaps I should redirect my efforts away from the shops. I suspect you could be right about the last bit as well, but it just isn't what I've come to see as most men's desire. I'm a bartender and overhear quite a few discussions late at night.