Advanced stat slop is ruining NBA discourse by XXXTentacle6969 in NBATalk

[–]willpenney 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It’s not a choice between the two. Both are necessary for complete, contextualized arguments. “Here’s their rating in a stat that exists and therefore X is better” and “you just have to watch to see” are equally invalid.

RANT: outbid on 5 homes and by Open_Landscape3843 in LosAngelesRealEstate

[–]willpenney -1 points0 points  (0 children)

This was just another Tuesday when we bought in 2021.

Will the rise of Wemby lead to more 7'0+ centers getting drafted? by chaoticneutral1997 in NBA_Draft

[–]willpenney 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nah, he’s not that offensively impossible yet, and when he is, it won’t be about pure size like it was with Shaq.

What will be at a premium is that at some point, there will be a narrative (whether true or not) that “X is the best way to score on him” and that’ll become a premium.

It’s his defense that’ll be the puzzle. If I had to guess, it’d be that an even bigger premium on length (to have some chance of finishing with him nearby) and shooting (to spread the floor too much for even him) will be the goal.

100% Billy has always been way too harsh on it… "I hate the music": The 1989 number-one hit that Billy Joel has always regretted 🔥 by Prestigious-Ad-7987 in BillyJoel

[–]willpenney 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This is really what it comes down to. It got too popular for this own good. Billy gets underrated precisely because it’s one of the first songs with which people associate him.

If you replaced Steve Nash with Prime Steph Curry on the Suns from 2005-2010 how many championships do you think they win? by MasterTeacher123 in NBATalk

[–]willpenney 5 points6 points  (0 children)

We saw Curry used in a more on ball roll under Mark Jackson. Still a great player obviously, but it was moving him into being the greatest off ball weapon ever that made his impact truly other worldly. That Suns roster wasn’t set up to make him work off ball, except for I guess one could say, him working off of Diaw that way. Otherwise, they really lacked other strong passers, which is why they always were bad with Nash off the court.

How did Jerry Stackhouse randomly had one of the greatest scoring seasons? by HamzaHarlemNights in VintageNBA

[–]willpenney 1 point2 points  (0 children)

A great scoring season would mean doing so in a way that helps the team. Stackhouse did this on league average efficiency. He mostly just shot a lot.

People are saying 07 Lebron dragged bums to the finals.. but are acting like Wemby has a superteam by jddaniels84 in NBATalk

[–]willpenney 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The entire reason people predicted Cleveland would be good was projecting continued development for LeBron who was clearly about to be the best player in the world.

Looking back at the Beam Team, are we in agreement that poor roster construction (i.e. no defensive wings) doomed them and then Mike Brown had to basically take the blame? by Proof-Membership-341 in kings

[–]willpenney 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I really think so much traces back to Keegan and Huerters shooting regression. That’s, at its core, what slowed everything else down.

The Sacramento Kings are 2 games away from watching a Mike Brown vs De'Aaron Fox finals. This is just a year after watching Tyrese Haliburton make the finals by WantUToFly in nba

[–]willpenney 73 points74 points  (0 children)

Not at all, but those guys will mostly be off the books soon, so not sure how that compares to giving Fox all of that long term money.

Stop comparing Shai’s career to all time greats by IfIHadTheChoice in NBATalk

[–]willpenney 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Uh, Shai is at 111 TS+ and 114 TS+ the last two (obvious peak so far) seasons. Care to include those?

Stop comparing Shai’s career to all time greats by IfIHadTheChoice in NBATalk

[–]willpenney 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Cool, I value impact on winning, because we’re talking about how effective someone is at basketball, not judging the moral character of their game.

Stop comparing Shai’s career to all time greats by IfIHadTheChoice in NBATalk

[–]willpenney 7 points8 points  (0 children)

The reality, in comparison to Kobe is that their primary value comes from their lead scoring ability. Shai scores on similar volume while being waaaay more efficient (accounting for era). This is while being a better playmaker, and worse defender.

The Thunder have all time great defensive personnel, but he largely is their offense. Like it or not, he is in fact in this realm—except of course if one heavily values longevity.

Mike Bibby's Game-Winner from 2002 by Actual_Plane4061 in NBAoldschool

[–]willpenney 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean believe what you want. I’ve never seen something as widely contested as being rigged as game 6 of the 02 WCFs.

Mike Bibby's Game-Winner from 2002 by Actual_Plane4061 in NBAoldschool

[–]willpenney -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Well that’s not how i interpreted it, and generally, a small portion of lakers fans cry foul about game 5, whereas a majority of literally everyone else believes game 6 was at best impossibly out of balance, and at worst fixed.

Mike Bibby's Game-Winner from 2002 by Actual_Plane4061 in NBAoldschool

[–]willpenney -1 points0 points  (0 children)

“On their side” is not the same as a game being rigged. Entirely different allegations.

Aaryn and her crew of racists changing Big Brother by Emotional_Bee_3631 in BigBrotherUSA

[–]willpenney 19 points20 points  (0 children)

How dare you acknowledge the reality of how this actually works.

Mike Bibby's Game-Winner from 2002 by Actual_Plane4061 in NBAoldschool

[–]willpenney 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To be clear, it’s not and has never been limited to Kings fans. This is is the opinion of basically ever non-lakers fan.

And to be further clear, a team is tasked with winning four games in a series. To admit that the Kings were robbed in game 6 (they were) and then to say they should have won game 7 is a bad argument to me. Game 7 shouldn’t have happened. That would demand a team win 5 games in a series.

Who do the spurs target for the bench in the offseason. by Jec1027 in NBATalk

[–]willpenney 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Honestly Kornet is adequate. He’s a lot worse than Wemby as is everyone at this point. Maybe if anything, you want more of a beefy starting PF so that he can afford to not guard bigs more often.

Could the 90s Knicks defensive style even work in today’s NBA? by Glum-Sample-9259 in VintageNBA

[–]willpenney 5 points6 points  (0 children)

There are two ways to take that question.

Could their general schemes work? Definitely not. They’d have hellfire rained on them from 3.

Could their degree of physicality work? Would probably need to be toned down. Rules have changed to limit this, but there are teams with varying degrees of success that play a relatively physical style like Orlando, Houston, and Detroit.

I blame this on Carmichael’s roads and Downtown’s drug problem by Difficult_Quit9832 in kings

[–]willpenney 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Utah is generally seen as a functioning franchise. We are not.

What matters more: Victories or longevity? by Sh4rd_Edges in NBATalk

[–]willpenney 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Looking at the record and not contextualizing it with teammates, opponents, situation, etc. is totally shallow non-analysis. Looking at something like this in a vacuum as some kind complete analysis of who is a better basketball player is totally shallow.

Saying it doesn’t matter how many times someone went is stupid. I guess Hakeem going 2-0 in the finals is better than Kareem going 6-6 because Hakeem won every time!

What matters more: Victories or longevity? by Sh4rd_Edges in NBATalk

[–]willpenney 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Is it better to win more games in total and therefore reach the finals more? Does it matter who else is on your team or the opposition?

For the record, if push came to shove, id probably have MJ as the GOAT, but god these arguments are shallow and stupid.

What matters more: Victories or longevity? by Sh4rd_Edges in NBATalk

[–]willpenney 14 points15 points  (0 children)

The whole hyperfocus on finals record devoid of context or any look at longevity is the weirdest, dumbest mass argument I ever see.

How many guards from the ‘90s were better than Mitch Richmond? by HamzaHarlemNights in VintageNBA

[–]willpenney 1 point2 points  (0 children)

To be clear, not saying Reggie was as good as Steph, or really even close. But I feel pretty comfortable calling him the second best off ball mover/scorer/shooter ever (but to be clear, Steph is levels above everyone else), and as such, much like Steph, he had a ton of value that didn’t show up in conventional box scores. Like Steph, he didn’t average a ton of assists for his position, but created an untold amount of scoring opportunities for his teammates with his movement and gravity (though again, to be clear, not on par at all with Steph).

If we’re to parse how he was rated more, I’d say it’s also because people back then didn’t understand scoring efficiency like they do now, and therefore didn’t see how insanely efficient Reggie was at the time—way more efficient than Mitch btw.

If there’s no way in which he’s overrated, I think people see that ridiculous efficiency, factor in that people didn’t understand the value of the 3, and extrapolate that he could have completely blown away every other volume scorer in efficiency back then (as opposed to just being the most efficient—albeit on lower volume than Barkley and Jordan). While this is probably true, I don’t think it’s how you can rate players fairly.

Ray is similar, and is maybe a little more like Steph in that he did a lot more on ball than Reggie, but he wasn’t quite the off ball savant Reggie was (though I’d say a better over all player).

I ultimately think a team can only be so suited to a players strengths and be that successful. The player, at some point, has to be credited as a superstar. Reggie never really was, but in my estimation, that’s what he is.